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17:56:08 <Ralph> zakim, this will be swbp
17:56:08 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_BPD()1:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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17:58:30 <Ralph> Meeting: SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment
17:58:32 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
17:58:34 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0037.html
17:58:39 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
17:58:40 <Zakim> +Phil_Tetlow
17:58:46 <Ralph> Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html
17:59:04 <Zakim> +Ralph
17:59:16 <Ralph> agenda+ Admin
17:59:19 <Ralph> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec 16 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html
17:59:26 <Ralph> PROPOSED next telecon Jan 27, 1800 UTC
17:59:34 <Ralph> agenda+ ODM Review
17:59:37 <Zakim> +??P2
17:59:38 <Ralph> agenda+ TF Updates
18:00:20 <Zakim> +Alistair_Miles (was ??P2)
18:01:44 <Ralph> Regrets: Steve Pepper, Benjamin Nguyen, Libby Miller, Dan Brickley, Marco Nanni
18:01:51 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
18:02:50 <Zakim> +??P4
18:03:03 <Ralph> zakim, ??p4 is Deb
18:03:03 <Zakim> +Deb; got it
18:03:44 <Zakim> +??P5
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18:04:05 <Ralph> zakim, ??p5 is Jeff
18:04:05 <Zakim> +Jeff; got it
18:05:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:05:25 <Zakim> +Alan_Rector
18:05:51 <Ralph> zakim, ipcaller is Jeremy
18:05:51 <Zakim> +Jeremy; got it
18:06:06 <Alan> Alan has joined #SWBP
18:06:30 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
18:06:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, [IPcaller], Alan_Rector, Jeremy
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18:06:44 <Zakim> +??P8
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18:06:52 <Ralph> zakim, ??p8 is Natasha
18:06:52 <Zakim> +Natasha; got it
18:07:03 <Ralph> zakim, take up agendum 1
18:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from Ralph]
18:07:11 <Ralph> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec 16 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html
18:07:37 <Ralph> so RESOLVED
18:08:04 <Ralph> jjc: approval of minutes of 2 Dec meeting?
18:08:53 <Ralph> JJC: PROPOSE to accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html as record of 2 December with correction as noted in mail archive
18:08:59 <Ralph> so RESOLVED
18:09:17 <Ralph> PROPOSED next telecon Jan 27, 1800 UTC
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18:09:30 <Ralph> Alan: regrets for 27 Jan
18:09:43 <Ralph> RESOLVED next telecon Jan 27, 1800 UTC
18:09:56 <Zakim> +Guus
18:10:41 <Ralph> Please make your hotel reservations for the March WG f2f http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005JanMar/0004.html
18:11:54 <Ralph> agenda+ message from DAWG
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18:12:44 <Ralph> zakim, move to next agendum
18:12:44 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ODM Review" taken up [from Ralph]
18:12:55 <Zakim> +[IBM]
18:13:04 <Ralph> zakim, ibm is Chris
18:13:04 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
18:13:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Evan_Wallace
18:14:14 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chris
18:14:41 <Ralph> Scribe: Chris
18:15:20 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0026.html Revised submission for ODM available, Evan 2005-01-11
18:15:38 <ChrisW-Scribe> Evan talking about above document
18:15:44 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0038.html Re: Revised submission for ODM available, Evan, 2005-01-12
18:15:57 <ChrisW-Scribe> mostly complete - may go as is with errata
18:16:17 <ChrisW-Scribe> so comments needed asap to have impact
18:16:29 <ChrisW-Scribe> next month OMG meeting will discuss this, but no vote
18:16:53 <ChrisW-Scribe> very likely the formal process (ie voting) will not happen until June
18:17:53 <ChrisW-Scribe> zakim, who is here?
18:17:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, Jeremy, Alan_Rector, Natasha, Guus, Chris
18:17:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisW-Scribe, Guus, Natasha, jjc, Alan, dlm, aliman, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilT, Ralph, RalphS
18:18:54 <ChrisW-Scribe> AlanR asks for some pointers to areas of concern
18:19:10 <ChrisW-Scribe> Evan: RDF and OWL profiles and metamodels.  discussion of mappings
18:19:34 <ChrisW-Scribe> Guus: there are different mappings, so we can divide the load
18:20:45 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: Guus to revie OWL metamodel
18:21:27 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
18:23:16 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: hard to get the time from HP people, but will discuss with HP
18:24:07 <jjc> q+ to mention TM profile
18:24:50 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: Natasha to ask Holger about reviewing the profile
18:25:09 <ChrisW-Scribe> (OWL profile)
18:25:32 <ChrisW-Scribe> AlanR to ask around Manchester for reviewers
18:25:39 <ChrisW-Scribe> zakim, who is here?
18:25:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, Jeremy, Alan_Rector, Natasha, Guus, Chris
18:25:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisW-Scribe, Guus, Natasha, jjc, Alan, dlm, aliman, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilT, Ralph, RalphS
18:26:47 <ChrisW-Scribe> evan: Pat Hayes the author of mapping to CL
18:27:04 <jjc> ^CL^SCL^
18:27:22 <ChrisW-Scribe> deb: Pat and Deb asked by Elisa Kendall to review the CL model
18:27:32 <Zakim> -Phil_Tetlow
18:29:00 <ChrisW-Scribe> Chris: are sections other than OWL/RDF really relevant to this WG?
18:29:10 <Zakim> +Phil_Tetlow
18:29:11 <ChrisW-Scribe> Guus: all mappings from other langs are to OWL
18:29:47 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus will find out if topic map people interested in reviewing topic maps section
18:30:39 <Ralph> Regrets+ Gary Ng, Lars Marius Garshol, Darren Govoni
18:30:51 <Ralph> zakim, move to agendum 4
18:30:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'move to agendum 4', Ralph
18:31:00 <Ralph> zakim, take up agendum 4
18:31:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "message from DAWG" taken up [from Ralph]
18:31:20 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0053.html DAWG request for input on two of their open issues 
18:31:59 <ChrisW-Scribe> DAWG has issues that are comsuing a lot of time, considering defering them
18:32:55 <ChrisW-Scribe> DAWG has asked SWBP to look at the issues and comment whether there is enough experience "out there" to put in rec
18:33:23 <ChrisW-Scribe> issues are : "Source Response" (determining the origin of a triple)
18:33:51 <ChrisW-Scribe> "Unsaid" whether a query should be able to specify that something is unsaid
18:34:25 <ChrisW-Scribe> i.e. if a triple is not there
18:34:29 <Zakim> +??P11
18:34:32 <Zakim> +Mike_Uschold (was ??P11)
18:35:00 <ChrisW-Scribe> interested in use cases
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18:36:04 <ChrisW-Scribe> there is a link in Ralph's email and contact information
18:37:36 <ChrisW-Scribe> Ralph: DAWG f2f is next week, very useful to get feeback by then
18:39:54 <Ralph> [DAWG f2f is 19-20 Jan]
18:40:31 <Ralph> Chris: in the PML work we have found that representing the source of a triple in RDF is hard
18:40:45 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to mention TM profile
18:40:51 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: Guus to contact someone regarding "source response" issue
18:41:02 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to address the representation question
18:42:07 <ChrisW-Scribe> Ralph: any experiences with this would probably be appreciated
18:42:19 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: I believe HP has some implementations
18:42:53 <Alan> q+
18:43:40 <ChrisW-Scribe> AlanR: we have apps that use closed world queries
18:43:54 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...makes it much harder if you don't have it
18:44:35 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...assuming this is talking about a negation as failure type closure
18:44:45 <ChrisW-Scribe> Guus: we use it, too
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18:45:39 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: Ralph to report back to dawg that we can't figure out what the "unsaid" problem is precisely
18:45:56 <ChrisW-Scribe> <sound of dental noises>
18:46:29 <ChrisW-Scribe> move to Agenda 3.2 PORT (Alistair)
18:47:01 <ChrisW-Scribe> ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD
18:47:01 <ChrisW-Scribe>  
18:47:07 <ChrisW-Scribe> Action complete
18:47:51 <ChrisW-Scribe> Alistair: lots of useful comments in feedback, need some time to discuss on mailing list
18:47:56 <mikeU> I have to leave in 10 minutes for another meeting. In case there is not time, I have been working on a draft note for semantic interoperatilbity. Am talking with Natasha.
18:48:53 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...introduction and abstracts need to be reworked
18:48:57 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...technical core is fine
18:49:29 <ChrisW-Scribe> process review
18:51:16 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: alistair to report on a timeline
18:51:26 <Zakim> -Alistair_Miles
18:51:36 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.1 OEP (Deb)
18:52:13 <ChrisW-Scribe> Ralph spoke to Elisa.  Believes progress on joining WG has been made
18:52:39 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...enough material to present a persuasive case to W3C for elisa as an invited member
18:53:21 <ChrisW-Scribe> deb: elisa is still interested in taking lead on Units&Measures note
18:53:37 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...and has latest information 
18:53:54 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus: any plans for new drafts of notes
18:53:56 <Natasha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0016.html
18:54:02 <mikeU> Q+
18:54:07 <ChrisW-Scribe> Natasha: new version of Classes as Values
18:54:25 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...working on new n-ary version
18:54:36 <ChrisW-Scribe> AlanR: almost finished with simple partof
18:55:55 <ChrisW-Scribe> ralph: benefit to re-publish as a new draft
18:57:00 <jjc> q+ to ask about links
18:57:24 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to ask about links
18:57:47 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: put links to editors drafts on home page
18:58:14 <ChrisW-Scribe> zakim, ack ralph
18:58:14 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to respond to jjc
18:58:16 <Zakim> I see mikeU on the speaker queue
18:58:55 <ChrisW-Scribe> ralph: a lot of drafts, maybe not room on the WG home page for all these links
18:59:47 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: ralph to make a "List of WG documents" more apparent from the hom e page
19:00:46 <Zakim> -Mike_Uschold
19:01:00 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.3 WordNet (Aldo)
19:01:14 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus: no movement there
19:01:23 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...rather worried about this
19:01:34 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: brian is very busy and not expected to have time
19:03:21 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: guus to find resources to work on WN WG
19:03:31 <Ralph> [Ralph excuses himself for other meeting]
19:03:36 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
19:03:40 <Zakim> -Ralph
19:04:28 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: looked at comments received.  Look OK.
19:04:49 <ChrisW-Scribe> scribe having a hard time understanding
19:06:35 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: jjc take evan's notes and put them in the draft
19:08:59 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: unsure about timeline right now. Involves other people and other WGs.
19:09:09 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus: any role for tech plenary interactions?
19:09:41 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: makes sense to have a draft for other WG reviews 1 Month before the tech plenary
19:10:23 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: jeremey to have a draft for other WGs in two weeks time
19:10:45 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)
19:10:54 <ChrisW-Scribe> Tom not here
19:11:18 <ChrisW-Scribe> draft shoudl be available by next telecon
19:11:29 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.7 ADTF (Libby)
19:11:53 <ChrisW-Scribe> oops agenda item 3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
19:12:15 <ChrisW-Scribe> jjc: we shoudl meet up with xhtml at tech plenary
19:12:57 <ChrisW-Scribe> action: guus to check with dan and ralph to see whether tech plenary meetins are required on RDFinHTML and XHTML
19:13:05 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.7 ADTF (Libby)
19:13:25 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus: some progress.  Log is expanding.
19:13:46 <ChrisW-Scribe> Skipping agenda item 3.8 RDFTM (Steve)
19:14:04 <ChrisW-Scribe> skipping agenda item 3.9 Tutorial Page (TomA)
19:14:17 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 3.10 SE TF (Phil)
19:15:50 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus: comments on breadth of the TF in charter
19:16:13 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...task forces expected to last 4-6 months
19:16:37 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...lets review that, esp. concrete deliverables
19:17:39 <ChrisW-Scribe> ...very much against long notes
19:17:47 <ChrisW-Scribe> Phil agrees
19:18:00 <ChrisW-Scribe> agenda item 4. AOB
19:18:32 <ChrisW-Scribe> AlanR: sent email poining out new OWL API from Protege-OWL group
19:19:01 <ChrisW-Scribe> guus: that is maintained by SW list
19:19:14 <ChrisW-Scribe> meeting adjourned
19:19:20 <Zakim> -Alan_Rector
19:19:21 <Zakim> -Phil_Tetlow
19:19:22 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
19:19:23 <Zakim> -Natasha
19:19:23 <Zakim> -Jeremy
19:19:24 <Zakim> -Jeff
19:19:25 <Zakim> -Guus
19:19:26 <Zakim> -Chris
19:19:31 <Zakim> -Deb
19:19:33 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
19:19:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, [IPcaller], Alan_Rector, Jeremy, Natasha, Guus, [IBM], Chris, Mike_Uschold
19:20:07 <ChrisW-Scribe> rrsagent, goodbye
19:20:07 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'goodbye', ChrisW-Scribe.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
19:22:10 <ChrisW-Scribe> rrsagent, bye
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> I see 12 open action items:
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to revie OWL metamodel [1]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-20-45
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary [2]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-21-27
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Natasha to ask Holger about reviewing the profile [3]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-24-50
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to contact someone regarding "source response" issue [4]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-40-51
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to report back to dawg that we can't figure out what the "unsaid" problem is precisely [5]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-45-39
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD [6]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-47-01
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: alistair to report on a timeline [7]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-51-16
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ralph to make a "List of WG documents" more apparent from the hom e page [8]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-59-47
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to find resources to work on WN WG [9]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-03-21
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jjc take evan's notes and put them in the draft [10]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-06-35
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeremey to have a draft for other WGs in two weeks time [11]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-10-23
19:22:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to check with dan and ralph to see whether tech plenary meetins are required on RDFinHTML and XHTML [12]
19:22:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-12-57
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19:25:49 <ChrisW-Scribe> RRSAgent, set logs member-visible
19:26:13 <ChrisW-Scribe> rrsagent, bye
19:26:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items