IRC log of swbp on 2005-01-13

Timestamps are in UTC.

17:55:58 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #swbp

17:56:03 [Zakim]

Zakim has joined #swbp

17:56:08 [Ralph]

zakim, this will be swbp

17:56:08 [Zakim]

ok, Ralph; I see SW_BPD()1:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

17:57:29 [aliman]

aliman has joined #swbp

17:58:30 [Ralph]

Meeting: SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment

17:58:32 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started

17:58:34 [Ralph]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0037.html

17:58:39 [Ralph]

Chair: Guus

17:58:40 [Zakim]

+Phil_Tetlow

17:58:46 [Ralph]

Previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html

17:59:04 [Zakim]

+Ralph

17:59:16 [Ralph]

agenda+ Admin

17:59:19 [Ralph]

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec 16 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html

17:59:26 [Ralph]

PROPOSED next telecon Jan 27, 1800 UTC

17:59:34 [Ralph]

agenda+ ODM Review

17:59:37 [Zakim]

+??P2

17:59:38 [Ralph]

agenda+ TF Updates

18:00:20 [Zakim]

+Alistair_Miles (was ??P2)

18:01:44 [Ralph]

Regrets: Steve Pepper, Benjamin Nguyen, Libby Miller, Dan Brickley, Marco Nanni

18:01:51 [Zakim]

+Evan_Wallace

18:02:50 [Zakim]

+??P4

18:03:03 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p4 is Deb

18:03:03 [Zakim]

+Deb; got it

18:03:44 [Zakim]

+??P5

18:03:59 [dlm]

dlm has joined #swbp

18:04:05 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p5 is Jeff

18:04:05 [Zakim]

+Jeff; got it

18:05:23 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

18:05:25 [Zakim]

+Alan_Rector

18:05:51 [Ralph]

zakim, ipcaller is Jeremy

18:05:51 [Zakim]

+Jeremy; got it

18:06:06 [Alan]

Alan has joined #SWBP

18:06:30 [Ralph]

zakim, list attendees

18:06:30 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, [IPcaller], Alan_Rector, Jeremy

18:06:38 [jjc]

jjc has joined #swbp

18:06:44 [Zakim]

+??P8

18:06:45 [Natasha]

Natasha has joined #swbp

18:06:52 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p8 is Natasha

18:06:52 [Zakim]

+Natasha; got it

18:07:03 [Ralph]

zakim, take up agendum 1

18:07:03 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from Ralph]

18:07:11 [Ralph]

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Dec 16 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0099.html

18:07:37 [Ralph]

so RESOLVED

18:08:04 [Ralph]

jjc: approval of minutes of 2 Dec meeting?

18:08:53 [Ralph]

JJC: PROPOSE to accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html as record of 2 December with correction as noted in mail archive

18:08:59 [Ralph]

so RESOLVED

18:09:17 [Ralph]

PROPOSED next telecon Jan 27, 1800 UTC

18:09:18 [Guus]

Guus has joined #swbp

18:09:30 [Ralph]

Alan: regrets for 27 Jan

18:09:43 [Ralph]

RESOLVED next telecon Jan 27, 1800 UTC

18:09:56 [Zakim]

+Guus

18:10:41 [Ralph]

Please make your hotel reservations for the March WG f2f http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005JanMar/0004.html

18:11:54 [Ralph]

agenda+ message from DAWG

18:12:21 [ChrisW]

ChrisW has joined #swbp

18:12:44 [Ralph]

zakim, move to next agendum

18:12:44 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "ODM Review" taken up [from Ralph]

18:12:55 [Zakim]

+[IBM]

18:13:04 [Ralph]

zakim, ibm is Chris

18:13:04 [Zakim]

+Chris; got it

18:13:29 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Evan_Wallace

18:14:14 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chris

18:14:41 [Ralph]

Scribe: Chris

18:15:20 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0026.html Revised submission for ODM available, Evan 2005-01-11

18:15:38 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Evan talking about above document

18:15:44 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0038.html Re: Revised submission for ODM available, Evan, 2005-01-12

18:15:57 [ChrisW-Scribe]

mostly complete - may go as is with errata

18:16:17 [ChrisW-Scribe]

so comments needed asap to have impact

18:16:29 [ChrisW-Scribe]

next month OMG meeting will discuss this, but no vote

18:16:53 [ChrisW-Scribe]

very likely the formal process (ie voting) will not happen until June

18:17:53 [ChrisW-Scribe]

zakim, who is here?

18:17:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, Jeremy, Alan_Rector, Natasha, Guus, Chris

18:17:55 [Zakim]

On IRC I see ChrisW-Scribe, Guus, Natasha, jjc, Alan, dlm, aliman, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilT, Ralph, RalphS

18:18:54 [ChrisW-Scribe]

AlanR asks for some pointers to areas of concern

18:19:10 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Evan: RDF and OWL profiles and metamodels. discussion of mappings

18:19:34 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Guus: there are different mappings, so we can divide the load

18:20:45 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: Guus to revie OWL metamodel

18:21:27 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary

18:23:16 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: hard to get the time from HP people, but will discuss with HP

18:24:07 [jjc]

q+ to mention TM profile

18:24:50 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: Natasha to ask Holger about reviewing the profile

18:25:09 [ChrisW-Scribe]

(OWL profile)

18:25:32 [ChrisW-Scribe]

AlanR to ask around Manchester for reviewers

18:25:39 [ChrisW-Scribe]

zakim, who is here?

18:25:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, Jeremy, Alan_Rector, Natasha, Guus, Chris

18:25:41 [Zakim]

On IRC I see ChrisW-Scribe, Guus, Natasha, jjc, Alan, dlm, aliman, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilT, Ralph, RalphS

18:26:47 [ChrisW-Scribe]

evan: Pat Hayes the author of mapping to CL

18:27:04 [jjc]

^CL^SCL^

18:27:22 [ChrisW-Scribe]

deb: Pat and Deb asked by Elisa Kendall to review the CL model

18:27:32 [Zakim]

-Phil_Tetlow

18:29:00 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Chris: are sections other than OWL/RDF really relevant to this WG?

18:29:10 [Zakim]

+Phil_Tetlow

18:29:11 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Guus: all mappings from other langs are to OWL

18:29:47 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus will find out if topic map people interested in reviewing topic maps section

18:30:39 [Ralph]

Regrets+ Gary Ng, Lars Marius Garshol, Darren Govoni

18:30:51 [Ralph]

zakim, move to agendum 4

18:30:51 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'move to agendum 4', Ralph

18:31:00 [Ralph]

zakim, take up agendum 4

18:31:00 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "message from DAWG" taken up [from Ralph]

18:31:20 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0053.html DAWG request for input on two of their open issues

18:31:59 [ChrisW-Scribe]

DAWG has issues that are comsuing a lot of time, considering defering them

18:32:55 [ChrisW-Scribe]

DAWG has asked SWBP to look at the issues and comment whether there is enough experience "out there" to put in rec

18:33:23 [ChrisW-Scribe]

issues are : "Source Response" (determining the origin of a triple)

18:33:51 [ChrisW-Scribe]

"Unsaid" whether a query should be able to specify that something is unsaid

18:34:25 [ChrisW-Scribe]

i.e. if a triple is not there

18:34:29 [Zakim]

+??P11

18:34:32 [Zakim]

+Mike_Uschold (was ??P11)

18:35:00 [ChrisW-Scribe]

interested in use cases

18:35:41 [mikeU]

mikeU has joined #swbp

18:36:04 [ChrisW-Scribe]

there is a link in Ralph's email and contact information

18:37:36 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Ralph: DAWG f2f is next week, very useful to get feeback by then

18:39:54 [Ralph]

[DAWG f2f is 19-20 Jan]

18:40:31 [Ralph]

Chris: in the PML work we have found that representing the source of a triple in RDF is hard

18:40:45 [Zakim]

jjc, you wanted to mention TM profile

18:40:51 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: Guus to contact someone regarding "source response" issue

18:41:02 [Zakim]

Ralph, you wanted to address the representation question

18:42:07 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Ralph: any experiences with this would probably be appreciated

18:42:19 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: I believe HP has some implementations

18:42:53 [Alan]

q+

18:43:40 [ChrisW-Scribe]

AlanR: we have apps that use closed world queries

18:43:54 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...makes it much harder if you don't have it

18:44:35 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...assuming this is talking about a negation as failure type closure

18:44:45 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Guus: we use it, too

18:45:20 [ekw]

ekw has joined #swbp

18:45:39 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: Ralph to report back to dawg that we can't figure out what the "unsaid" problem is precisely

18:45:56 [ChrisW-Scribe]

<sound of dental noises>

18:46:29 [ChrisW-Scribe]

move to Agenda 3.2 PORT (Alistair)

18:47:01 [ChrisW-Scribe]

ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD

18:47:01 [ChrisW-Scribe]

18:47:07 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Action complete

18:47:51 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Alistair: lots of useful comments in feedback, need some time to discuss on mailing list

18:47:56 [mikeU]

I have to leave in 10 minutes for another meeting. In case there is not time, I have been working on a draft note for semantic interoperatilbity. Am talking with Natasha.

18:48:53 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...introduction and abstracts need to be reworked

18:48:57 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...technical core is fine

18:49:29 [ChrisW-Scribe]

process review

18:51:16 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: alistair to report on a timeline

18:51:26 [Zakim]

-Alistair_Miles

18:51:36 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.1 OEP (Deb)

18:52:13 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Ralph spoke to Elisa. Believes progress on joining WG has been made

18:52:39 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...enough material to present a persuasive case to W3C for elisa as an invited member

18:53:21 [ChrisW-Scribe]

deb: elisa is still interested in taking lead on Units&Measures note

18:53:37 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...and has latest information

18:53:54 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus: any plans for new drafts of notes

18:53:56 [Natasha]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jan/0016.html

18:54:02 [mikeU]

Q+

18:54:07 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Natasha: new version of Classes as Values

18:54:25 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...working on new n-ary version

18:54:36 [ChrisW-Scribe]

AlanR: almost finished with simple partof

18:55:55 [ChrisW-Scribe]

ralph: benefit to re-publish as a new draft

18:57:00 [jjc]

q+ to ask about links

18:57:24 [Zakim]

jjc, you wanted to ask about links

18:57:47 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: put links to editors drafts on home page

18:58:14 [ChrisW-Scribe]

zakim, ack ralph

18:58:14 [Zakim]

Ralph, you wanted to respond to jjc

18:58:16 [Zakim]

I see mikeU on the speaker queue

18:58:55 [ChrisW-Scribe]

ralph: a lot of drafts, maybe not room on the WG home page for all these links

18:59:47 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: ralph to make a "List of WG documents" more apparent from the hom e page

19:00:46 [Zakim]

-Mike_Uschold

19:01:00 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.3 WordNet (Aldo)

19:01:14 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus: no movement there

19:01:23 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...rather worried about this

19:01:34 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: brian is very busy and not expected to have time

19:03:21 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: guus to find resources to work on WN WG

19:03:31 [Ralph]

[Ralph excuses himself for other meeting]

19:03:36 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)

19:03:40 [Zakim]

-Ralph

19:04:28 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: looked at comments received. Look OK.

19:04:49 [ChrisW-Scribe]

scribe having a hard time understanding

19:06:35 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: jjc take evan's notes and put them in the draft

19:08:59 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: unsure about timeline right now. Involves other people and other WGs.

19:09:09 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus: any role for tech plenary interactions?

19:09:41 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: makes sense to have a draft for other WG reviews 1 Month before the tech plenary

19:10:23 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: jeremey to have a draft for other WGs in two weeks time

19:10:45 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)

19:10:54 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Tom not here

19:11:18 [ChrisW-Scribe]

draft shoudl be available by next telecon

19:11:29 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.7 ADTF (Libby)

19:11:53 [ChrisW-Scribe]

oops agenda item 3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)

19:12:15 [ChrisW-Scribe]

jjc: we shoudl meet up with xhtml at tech plenary

19:12:57 [ChrisW-Scribe]

action: guus to check with dan and ralph to see whether tech plenary meetins are required on RDFinHTML and XHTML

19:13:05 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.7 ADTF (Libby)

19:13:25 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus: some progress. Log is expanding.

19:13:46 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Skipping agenda item 3.8 RDFTM (Steve)

19:14:04 [ChrisW-Scribe]

skipping agenda item 3.9 Tutorial Page (TomA)

19:14:17 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 3.10 SE TF (Phil)

19:15:50 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus: comments on breadth of the TF in charter

19:16:13 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...task forces expected to last 4-6 months

19:16:37 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...lets review that, esp. concrete deliverables

19:17:39 [ChrisW-Scribe]

...very much against long notes

19:17:47 [ChrisW-Scribe]

Phil agrees

19:18:00 [ChrisW-Scribe]

agenda item 4. AOB

19:18:32 [ChrisW-Scribe]

AlanR: sent email poining out new OWL API from Protege-OWL group

19:19:01 [ChrisW-Scribe]

guus: that is maintained by SW list

19:19:14 [ChrisW-Scribe]

meeting adjourned

19:19:20 [Zakim]

-Alan_Rector

19:19:21 [Zakim]

-Phil_Tetlow

19:19:22 [Zakim]

-Evan_Wallace

19:19:23 [Zakim]

-Natasha

19:19:23 [Zakim]

-Jeremy

19:19:24 [Zakim]

-Jeff

19:19:25 [Zakim]

-Guus

19:19:26 [Zakim]

-Chris

19:19:31 [Zakim]

-Deb

19:19:33 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended

19:19:35 [Zakim]

Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Deb, Jeff, [IPcaller], Alan_Rector, Jeremy, Natasha, Guus, [IBM], Chris, Mike_Uschold

19:20:07 [ChrisW-Scribe]

rrsagent, goodbye

19:20:07 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'goodbye', ChrisW-Scribe. Try /msg RRSAgent help

19:22:10 [ChrisW-Scribe]

rrsagent, bye

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

I see 12 open action items:

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to revie OWL metamodel [1]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-20-45

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary [2]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-21-27

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Natasha to ask Holger about reviewing the profile [3]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-24-50

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to contact someone regarding "source response" issue [4]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-40-51

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph to report back to dawg that we can't figure out what the "unsaid" problem is precisely [5]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-45-39

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD [6]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-47-01

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: alistair to report on a timeline [7]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-51-16

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ralph to make a "List of WG documents" more apparent from the hom e page [8]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T18-59-47

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: guus to find resources to work on WN WG [9]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-03-21

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jjc take evan's notes and put them in the draft [10]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-06-35

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jeremey to have a draft for other WGs in two weeks time [11]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-10-23

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: guus to check with dan and ralph to see whether tech plenary meetins are required on RDFinHTML and XHTML [12]

19:22:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/13-swbp-irc#T19-12-57

19:25:25 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #swbp

19:25:49 [ChrisW-Scribe]

RRSAgent, set logs member-visible

19:26:13 [ChrisW-Scribe]

rrsagent, bye

19:26:13 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items