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14:29:23 <DanC> agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0010.html
14:29:31 <DanC> agenda + ftf4
14:29:38 <DanC> agenda + ftf5
14:29:45 <DanC> agenda + XML result set spec publication
14:29:56 <DanC> agenda + Protocol spec publication
14:30:04 <DanC> agenda + Services / DawgShows
14:30:13 <DanC> Zakim, this is dawg
14:30:14 <Zakim> ok, DanC; that matches SW_DAWG()9:30AM
14:30:19 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:30:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1
14:30:30 <Zakim> +Yoshio
14:30:31 <DaveB> Zakim, ??P1 is DaveB
14:30:31 <Zakim> +DaveB; got it
14:30:32 <DanC> agenda + disjunction
14:30:42 <DanC> agenda + SOURCE
14:30:59 <Zakim> +DanC
14:31:33 <Zakim> +??P2
14:32:09 <Zakim> +??P3
14:32:12 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:32:12 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:32:12 <AndyS> zakim, ??P3 is AndyS
14:32:14 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:32:15 <Zakim> +EricP
14:32:18 <Yoshio> hya iltaa
14:32:28 <Yoshio> s/hya/hyva
14:32:34 <Yoshio> hyvaa?
14:32:44 <DanC> my IRC client is utf-8 happy now... wanna show off your japanese skills, ericp?
14:32:45 <ericP> zakim, please  mute ericP
14:32:45 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
14:32:57 <Zakim> +NickG
14:33:03 <SteveH> Zakim, NickG is SteveH
14:33:03 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:33:13 <ericP> danc, ご融資でお困りの方に朗報
14:33:17 <AndyS> Janne - no problems with the storm I hope?
14:33:17 <ericP> (from spam)
14:34:04 <ericP> yoshio, was responding to "yyvaa"
14:34:26 <Yoshio> * Hmm, my irc is not Unicode happy :(
14:34:42 <AndyS> Mime claims it - but isn't :-(
14:34:43 <DaveB> I get about 50% of them
14:34:51 <DanC> scribe: SteveH
14:34:56 <DanC> regrets: Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo
14:35:19 <ericP> yoshio, the irc protocol doesn't prescribe a character encoding nor provide a way to communicate it
14:35:19 <DanC> record ok? http://www.w3.org/2004/12/14-dawg-irc
14:35:50 <DanC> RESOLVED to accept it as a true record
14:36:06 <DanC> next meeting: ftf4 19-20 Jan
14:36:15 <DanC> Kendall has offered to be the 1st scribe
14:36:54 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:36:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, DaveB, Yoshio, DanC, JanneS, AndyS, EricP (muted), SteveH
14:37:18 <Yoshio> ??P0 is Hiroyuki, I  think
14:37:24 <DanC> ??P0 is HiroyukiS 
14:37:28 <DanC> Zakim, ??P0 is HiroyukiS 
14:37:28 <Zakim> +HiroyukiS; got it
14:38:34 <DanC> agenda + call for exclusions
14:39:13 <ericP> read it, makes sense
14:39:28 <SteveH> .
14:39:42 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:39:42 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0010.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:39:50 <DanC> Zakim, close item 1
14:39:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:39:51 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:52 <Zakim> 2. ftf4 [from DanC]
14:39:55 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:39:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, DanC
14:40:01 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 2
14:40:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ftf4" taken up [from DanC]
14:40:20 <DanC> ftf agenda, sketch http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf4.html
14:41:17 <Zakim> -EricP
14:41:23 <ericP> ahg!
14:41:38 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ v 1.1 2004/12/17 17:33:45
14:41:39 <Zakim> +EricP
14:43:23 <DanC> yes, that one for the reading list
14:43:33 <DaveB> (could we have the dates of f2f4 on the f2f4 web page?)
14:44:04 <DanC> (yes. phpht.)
14:44:21 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 3
14:44:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ftf5" taken up [from DanC]
14:44:49 <DaveB> I have probably regrets for ftf5
14:44:59 <ericP> 2nd
14:44:59 <SteveH> 28th feb 1 march meeting
14:45:21 <SteveH> no objections
14:45:23 <DanC> Registration is open
14:45:23 <DanC>  http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TP2005/
14:45:32 <DanC> Zakim, close this item
14:45:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:45:33 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:45:35 <Zakim> 2. ftf4 [from DanC]
14:45:55 <DanC> agenda order is 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 2
14:46:01 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:46:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "XML result set spec publication" taken up [from DanC]
14:47:40 <SteveH> ACTION: DaveB to post announcement about XML result set on appropraite mailing lists
14:48:00 <DanC> ACTION DanC: ask Liam, via SemWeb CG, which XML groups might be interested in SPARQL result set WD
14:49:12 <DanC> agenda + trackback to WDs
14:49:56 <SteveH> withdraw simons action on alternaive unbound results
14:52:04 <ericP> ericP preferrs order in the SELECT just for the sake of the user
14:54:22 <ericP> darth vader here?
14:54:25 <SteveH> Issue with order of result columns
14:54:29 <SteveH> currently undefined
14:54:38 <SteveH> options are query order, lexical, arbitrary
14:54:49 <SteveH> +others
14:55:21 <SteveH> ACTION: DaveB discussion options for column ordering and pick one
14:55:45 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:55:45 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Protocol spec publication" taken up [from DanC]
14:56:17 <DanC> ACTION: EricP/KendallC to publish "SPARQL Protocol for RDF" pending approval from TomA and AndyS
14:56:49 <AndyS> I have approved this
14:58:08 <SteveH> DanC: there are some URIs that dont follow the namespace policies
14:58:30 <DaveB> q+ re pub protocol
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14:59:10 <ericP> 87.5
14:59:14 <DanC> ack daveb
14:59:18 <howardk> hi danc!
14:59:39 <Yoshio> * Yoshio waves to haward
14:59:51 <howardk> morning yoshio (howard's time)
15:00:01 <DaveB> : $Id: 11-dawg-irc.txt,v 1.46 2005/01/11 18:23:11 swick Exp $
15:00:20 <Yoshio> * evening, haward (Yoshio's time)
15:00:30 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:00:30 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Services / DawgShows" taken up [from DanC]
15:00:39 <SteveH> DaveB: can ericP post a link to a modified 1.1 with changes
15:00:54 <DanC> http://esw.w3.org/topic/DawgShows
15:01:04 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
15:01:14 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (4%)
15:01:42 <DanC> ACTION: KendallC expose our walking tour data to SPARQL querying clients
15:02:06 <Zakim> +HowardK
15:02:48 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:02:48 <Zakim> agendum 7. "disjunction" taken up [from DanC]
15:03:08 <DanC> EricP migrate some Algae UnionDisjunciton test cases http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0464.html
15:05:08 <DanC> # Proposal to drop disjunction requirement Steve Harris (Thursday, 30 September) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0604.html
15:06:15 <DaveB> at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/issues-ftf4/
15:06:16 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/issues-ftf4/
15:08:02 <SteveH> DanC will add all the issues to URL^
15:08:45 <ericP> some
15:09:58 <DaveB> current words near http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#alternatives
15:10:39 <DaveB> drop section 6
15:10:45 <DanC> "6.1 Joining Patterns with OR"
15:11:15 <DanC> "6 More Pattern Matching – Alternatives"
15:11:28 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:11:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see HiroyukiS, DaveB, Yoshio, DanC, JanneS, AndyS, EricP (muted), SteveH, HowardK
15:12:57 <Yoshio> I'm playing with RDQL these days, which drove me to be able to live without it...
15:13:29 <DanC> ack ericp
15:13:29 <ericP> preferr to keep it
15:14:24 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:14:24 <Zakim> agendum 8. "SOURCE" taken up [from DanC]
15:15:06 <DanC> Untrusted graphs - examples http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0421.html
15:15:06 <SteveH> straw poll: 2 in favour of withdraing sec 6, 2 in favour of keeping, rest undecided
15:15:10 <SteveH> (is that correct?)
15:15:16 <DanC> close enough
15:16:05 <DanC> tests: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/source-named/
15:16:18 <DanC> action is DONE
15:16:43 <DanC> ACTION: JanneS propose text for hard failure in the protocol draft
15:17:40 <DaveB> see http://www.profium.com/news/2005/jan11_2005.html
15:18:06 <DanC> ACTION: DanC suggest formal definitions for SOURCE
15:18:08 <SteveH> Janne is working on SRARQP over [OJ]DBC [couldn;t hear]
15:19:00 <AndyS> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sparql4j
15:19:35 <SteveH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0421.html represnts daves current preferred solution to source
15:19:51 <DanC> andys: that's what rq23 specifies too
15:19:57 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:19:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ftf4" taken up [from DanC]
15:20:21 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ $Revision: 1.46 $ of $Date: 2005/01/11 18:23:11 $
15:20:46 <DanC> ACTION DanC: add rq23 1.66 to ftf4 reading list
15:21:13 <SteveH> version 1.166
15:21:17 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-rdf-sparql-XMLres-20041221/
15:21:24 <DanC> I'll add that
15:21:46 <DanC> v1.1. of protocol
15:21:48 <SteveH> ACTION: Danc to add http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-rdf-sparql-XMLres-20041221/ to reading list
15:22:39 <DanC> . http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-rdf-dawg-uc-20041012/
15:23:53 <SteveH> DanC: expects storytelling around protocol at F2F
15:26:48 <SteveH> options for using F+O, menu choice or bulk import
15:27:27 <DanC> agenda + value testing
15:27:34 <DanC> Zakim, agenda?
15:27:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:27:35 <Zakim> 2. ftf4 [from DanC]
15:27:36 <Zakim> 9. call for exclusions [from DanC]
15:27:37 <Zakim> 10. trackback to WDs [from DanC]
15:27:38 <Zakim> 11. value testing [from DanC]
15:28:26 <DanC> w3t-pr@w3.org
15:28:44 <SteveH> Janne: is it OK for press to turn up after F2F4
15:30:48 <DanC> ACTION DanC: put Janne in touch with w3t-pr re press at ftf4
15:31:09 <DanC> Zakim, close item 2
15:31:09 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:31:10 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:31:12 <Zakim> 9. call for exclusions [from DanC]
15:31:48 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 9
15:31:48 <Zakim> agendum 9. "call for exclusions" taken up [from DanC]
15:31:49 <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0014.html
15:33:08 <SteveH> DanC: patent policy says that if you have any patents that are essential to the practice to this sepc. and you dont want to give a royalty-free licence to the world you have to note it in the call for exclusions
15:33:21 <SteveH> New W3C patent policy
15:36:14 <DanC> ADJOURN
15:36:21 <DanC> Zakim, please make minutes
15:36:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please make minutes', DanC
15:36:28 <DanC> RRSAgent, please make minutes
15:36:52 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:36:58 <Zakim> -HiroyukiS
15:37:08 <Yoshio> * See you in Espoo!
15:37:16 <DanC> hmm... 404 @ http://www.w3.org/2005/01/11-dawg-minutes*,acccess*
15:37:42 <DanC> so... never mind.
15:37:47 <Zakim> -HowardK
15:39:26 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/Promotion/Appearances/
15:39:45 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/02-PromotionsForm
15:40:07 <DaveB> spell it just like it sounds DanC
15:40:10 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:40:10 <ericP> Prud'hommeaux
15:42:57 <Zakim> -DanC
15:47:16 <DaveB> http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
15:48:21 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:48:26 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:48:48 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ see you in helsinki!
15:48:56 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ see you in Finland!
15:58:41 <Zakim> -DaveB
16:00:38 <ericP> WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
16:01:05 <Zakim> -AndyS
16:01:17 <ericP> cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs
16:03:14 <ericP> CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d eric@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs co WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
16:03:57 <SteveH> [swh@ninkasi DAWG]$ cvs -d sharris2@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs co WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
16:03:57 <SteveH> cvs checkout: failed to create lock directory for `/w3ccvs/WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql' (/w3ccvs/WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/#cvs.lock): Permission denied
16:03:57 <SteveH> cvs checkout: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/w3ccvs/WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql'
16:03:57 <SteveH> cvs [checkout aborted]: read lock failed - giving up
16:04:53 <Zakim> -SteveH
16:04:58 <Zakim> -EricP
16:05:00 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
16:05:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Yoshio, DaveB, DanC, JanneS, AndyS, EricP, SteveH, HiroyukiS, HowardK
16:07:44 <afs> Thta's what I get
16:07:58 <AndyS> That's what I get
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16:21:48 <ericP> andy, (and steve and dave), WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/ is rumored to be fixed
16:28:34 <AndyS> Wil try it ... one moment ...
16:29:47 <AndyS> Works - one file - all.htm
16:30:00 <AndyS> .htm??? 
16:31:34 <AndyS> s/OR/UNION/ done
16:39:00 <ericP> the .htm is a vestige from more savage times
16:39:30 <ericP> namely, we had clients that couldn't handle .html
16:47:22 <SteveH> ericP, yeah, WFM too
16:49:52 <ericP> oh hey, steve, you're here.
16:50:07 <ericP> i misread the order of your departures and arrivals
16:50:24 <ericP> does WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/ work for you now?
16:50:49 <ericP> i expect it will
16:51:06 <ericP> it wasn't set for collab
16:51:24 <ericP> from which i learned that we have a notion of collab access
16:51:29 <ericP> (to cvs)
16:52:24 <SteveH> yes, works now
16:53:02 <ericP> another case cracked by flailing my arms about
16:54:02 <SteveH> AndyS, I'm on the same flight out, and back - well the times are the same so I guess they are, different flight codes
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