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14:30:35 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:30:35 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is
14:30:43 <Yoshio> zakim, call Yoshio-home
14:30:43 <Zakim> sorry, Yoshio, I don't know what conference this is
14:30:43 <ericP> zakim, this is DAWG
14:30:44 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_DAWG()9:30AM
14:30:46 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
14:30:47 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:30:48 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:30:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, ??P1
14:30:51 <Yoshio> zakim, call Yoshio-home
14:30:51 <Zakim> ok, Yoshio; the call is being made
14:30:52 <Zakim> +Yoshio
14:30:54 <AndyS_scribe> ??P1 is AndyS
14:31:00 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, ??P1 is AndyS
14:31:00 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:31:03 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:31:03 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:31:14 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:31:14 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:31:15 <Zakim> +EricP
14:31:25 <kendall> i'm  here; but sick, so staying muted as much as possible
14:31:41 <Zakim> +??P2
14:31:48 <SimonR> Zakim, ??P2 is SimonR
14:31:48 <Zakim> +SimonR; got it
14:31:56 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:31:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kendall_Clark (muted), AndyS, Yoshio, EricP, SimonR
14:31:59 <SimonR> Zakim, mute SimonR
14:31:59 <Zakim> SimonR should now be muted
14:32:34 <Zakim> +Holbrook|Gibbins
14:32:56 <SteveH> Zakim, Holbrook|Gibbins is SteveH
14:32:56 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'Holbrook|Gibbins'
14:32:59 <ericP> agenda + Convene, take roll, review agenda
14:32:59 <ericP> agenda + FTF 4
14:32:59 <ericP> agenda + Test Cases
14:32:59 <ericP> agenda + Protocol
14:32:59 <ericP> agenda + SPARQL SOURCE Issue
14:33:01 <ericP> agenda + SPARQL update, issues
14:33:09 <SteveH> Zakim, +Holbrook|Gibbins is SteveH
14:33:09 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '+Holbrook|Gibbins'
14:33:18 <AndyS_scribe> Drop the | ??
14:33:25 <SteveH> Zakim, HolbrookGibbins is SteveH
14:33:25 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:33:51 <Zakim> +??P4
14:33:59 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:33:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kendall_Clark (muted), AndyS, Yoshio, EricP, SimonR (muted), SteveH, ??P4
14:34:21 <ericP> zakim, ??P4 is JanneS
14:34:21 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:35:05 <AndyS_scribe> Kendall - where is pychinko's main function?
14:35:10 <JosD> JosD has joined #dawg
14:35:30 <KevinW> KevinW has joined #dawg
14:35:32 <patH> patH has joined #dawg
14:35:44 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, who is here?
14:35:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kendall_Clark (muted), AndyS, Yoshio, EricP, SimonR (muted), SteveH, JanneS
14:35:53 <Zakim> +PatH
14:36:16 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:36:19 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review agenda" taken up [from ericP]
14:36:52 <AndyS_scribe> Phone + Jos
14:37:10 <ericP> PROPOSE: to accept as a true record  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0322.html
14:37:27 <Zakim> +Kevin
14:37:49 <SimonR> Surely I'm disqualified!  :)
14:38:11 <SimonR> I'll be on the phone shortly, it's just noisy where I am for the next few minutes.
14:38:25 <kendall> andy: main.py#Pychinko.run, if i understand what you want
14:38:33 <AndyS_scribe> Previous minutes: Accepted (seconded by AndyS)
14:38:59 <ericP> ACTION DanC: owner of issue 'yes or no questions' (pending protocol doc)
14:38:59 <ericP> ACTION AlbertoR: owns issue 'DESCRIBE'
14:38:59 <ericP> ACTION EricP: find logistics re F2F5 at tech plenary in Boston March 28 Feb - 4 Mar (2 days).  Some WG preference to Mon/Tue of that week.
14:39:02 <ericP> ACTION SteveH: own (i.e. propose resolution to) disjunction issue
14:39:05 <ericP> ACTION SteveH: owns issue 'nested optionals'
14:39:10 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:39:10 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:40:29 <SimonR> Zakim, unmute SimonR
14:40:29 <Zakim> SimonR should no longer be muted
14:41:00 <AndyS_scribe> All continued
14:41:11 <ericP> ACTION DanC: notify SemWeb CG of EbXML possible sync point in April
14:41:11 <ericP> DONE note: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/#schedCR
14:41:23 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
14:41:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "FTF 4" taken up [from ericP]
14:41:53 <AndyS_scribe> The chairs checks on registration.
14:42:41 <AndyS_scribe> Current: 12 will attend
14:43:51 <AndyS_scribe> 30 cm of snow and -5C current in Helsinki
14:44:11 <Yoshio> * Don't say it's inside the room : )
14:44:17 <kendall> Ooh, with extra sauna goodness. I &heart; Finland!
14:44:36 <kendall> I need a clothing budget. :>
14:44:43 <AndyS_scribe> Sauna available (any wireless?!)
14:45:04 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:45:04 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:45:07 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
14:45:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test Cases" taken up [from ericP]
14:45:08 <AndyS_scribe> Sandals not recommended
14:45:11 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:45:11 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:45:20 <ericP> See http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README
14:45:48 <ericP> ACTION: SteveH is willing to adapt his testing infrastructure to generate input/output RDF/XML and typed nodes into manifest file
14:49:13 <ericP> CONTINUED
14:50:18 <SimonR> <rdf:Description rdf:ID="blah">...  pretty much annoints document-relative URI references.
14:50:41 <SimonR> annoint/anoint
14:50:59 <AndyS_scribe> Testing: do we have abs URLs in the test files
14:51:58 <AndyS_scribe> Simon - doc relative is not abs URI - it is resolved in doc
14:52:20 <AndyS_scribe> Discussion on URLs in testing
14:52:55 <AndyS_scribe> . ACTION Eric: Sort on URLs in testing
14:53:18 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:53:18 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:53:34 <ericP> ACTION: EricP to resolve relative URIs in RDF/XML (for test manifests)
14:54:31 <AndyS_scribe> I propose accepting test in simple/
14:55:16 <AndyS_scribe> Implementers are the main ones reviewing tests.
14:55:31 <AndyS_scribe> Risk that tests are impl bias.
14:55:34 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:55:34 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:56:48 <kendall> I intend to implement when things get more stable, so it's kinda moot for now.
14:56:50 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:56:50 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:57:12 <AndyS_scribe> EricP suggests a subcommittee to vet tests
14:58:30 <AndyS_scribe> but whole group accepts
14:58:44 <AndyS_scribe> subcommittee checks out tests first
14:58:59 <AndyS_scribe> and brings the suggestions to WG in sets
14:59:15 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
14:59:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Protocol" taken up [from ericP]
14:59:25 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:59:25 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test Cases" taken up [from ericP]
15:00:14 <ericP> subcommittee: EricP, AndyS, JosD, SteveH
15:00:38 <ericP> ACTION ericP to ask danc and DaveB to join
15:00:40 <kendall> i'm thoroughly confused at this point.
15:00:49 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:00:49 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:01:54 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
15:01:54 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Protocol" taken up [from ericP]
15:02:18 <ericP> large : http://monkeyfist.com/kendall/sparql-protocol/
15:02:34 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION ericP: to ask danc and DaveB to join testing s/c
15:02:34 <ericP> lsmaller one : http://monkeyfist.com/kendall/sparql-protocol-simplex/
15:03:05 <AndyS_scribe> Two docs - first is 7 ops - second is query
15:03:24 <AndyS_scribe> Charter not exactly clear on whether to do update
15:03:58 <AndyS_scribe> Kendall produced a focused doc.  No discovery, no update.  Hackier.  
15:04:06 <AndyS_scribe> Done by cutting out stuff.
15:05:49 <ericP> ACTION KendallC: expose our walking tour data to SPARQL querying clients
15:06:04 <ericP> CONTINUED
15:06:13 <AndyS_scribe> action continued - ETA F2F
15:06:20 <ericP> ACTION TomA: read the protocol draft [protocol] and email a review to the WG before the next telcon 2004-11-09
15:06:23 <ericP> DONE: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0323.html
15:06:26 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:06:26 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:06:28 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:06:28 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:07:17 <AndyS_scribe> Q: which of the two drafts to go forward on
15:07:39 <AndyS_scribe> Strawpoll: Eric, Andy, Steve, pat
15:07:45 <AndyS_scribe> for simpler
15:07:52 <Yoshio> +1
15:08:41 <Yoshio> for simpler
15:08:45 <kendall> Pat asked about voting for both...?
15:09:19 <AndyS_scribe> Janne (wants eventual full version)
15:10:48 <AndyS_scribe> Way forward (Kendall): ops are query - need to argue for other ops to go in.
15:11:38 <AndyS_scribe> query+getTriples
15:11:48 <kendall> it's  "getGraph",  fwiw
15:11:51 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
15:11:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "SPARQL SOURCE Issue" taken up [from ericP]
15:12:08 <ericP> ACTION JanneS: review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0256.html and check what happens when no source support is implemented
15:13:23 <AndyS_scribe> Discussed last week - no resolution.  Janne unclear on this.
15:14:17 <AndyS_scribe> . ACTION Janne: words for protocol spec to descrive failure in the SOURCE case
15:15:00 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION Janne: words for protocol spec to describe failure (including in the SOURCE case but generally as well)
15:15:22 <ericP> ACTION DaveB: update the dawg test repository to record or amend tests to correspond to the http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0241.html proposal
15:15:25 <ericP> CONTINUED
15:15:33 <AndyS_scribe> No DaveB - continued
15:15:51 <ericP> ACTION DanC: suggest formal definitions for SOURCE
15:16:01 <ericP> CONTINUED
15:16:39 <AndyS_scribe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2004Nov/0020.html
15:16:44 <ericP> zakim, take up next agendum
15:16:44 <Zakim> agendum 6. "SPARQL update, issues" taken up [from ericP]
15:16:51 <AndyS_scribe> Comment received on SOURCE
15:17:02 <ericP> ACTION PatH: review SPARQL def'ns post-publication
15:19:54 <AndyS_scribe> Status 1-10 done except DESCRIBE update and SOURCE defns 
15:20:05 <kendall> I'm willing to review this time.
15:20:14 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:20:14 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark was not muted, kendall
15:20:24 <AndyS_scribe> i.e. 1-6, not 7 (UNSAID), not 8 or 9, then 10
15:21:46 <AndyS_scribe> Offer for people to start reviewing
15:21:49 <ericP> zakim, who's here?
15:21:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, AndyS, Yoshio, EricP, SimonR, SteveH, JanneS, PatH, Kevin
15:23:02 <AndyS_scribe> Pissible: PatH, Steve keen (not at the moment), Kevin, Yoshio (except time issues).
15:23:04 <AndyS_scribe> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/
15:23:37 <AndyS_scribe> Please include CVS version numbers - current is 1.139
15:23:59 <Yoshio> oh, pretty new
15:24:53 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION PatH: Review rq23
15:25:02 <AndyS_scribe> ACTION KevinW: Review rq23
15:26:02 <AndyS_scribe> Scribe next time: Janne if IRC fixed - Eric to help out
15:26:16 <AndyS_scribe> Next meeting : 30 Nov
15:26:24 <Yoshio> re: next meeting, regrets (travelling to Boston)
15:26:28 <Zakim> -PatH
15:26:38 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:26:39 <AndyS_scribe> Proposed to adjourn - no objections
15:26:40 <Zakim> -SimonR
15:26:41 <Zakim> -Kevin
15:27:00 <AndyS_scribe> rssagent help
15:27:04 <AndyS_scribe> rssagent, help
15:27:06 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:27:11 <AndyS_scribe> rrsagent, help
15:27:19 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:27:39 <AndyS_scribe> show action items
15:27:48 <AndyS_scribe> rrsagent, show action items
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> I see 18 open action items:
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to owner of issue 'yes or no questions' (pending protocol doc) [1]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-38-59
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AlbertoR to owns issue 'DESCRIBE' [2]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-38-59-1
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to find logistics re F2F5 at tech plenary in Boston March 28 Feb - 4 Mar (2 days).  Some WG preference to Mon/Tue of that week. [3]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-38-59-2
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH to own (i.e. propose resolution to) disjunction issue [4]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-39-02
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH to owns issue 'nested optionals' [5]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-39-05
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to notify SemWeb CG of EbXML possible sync point in April [6]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-41-11
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH is willing to adapt his testing infrastructure to generate input/output RDF/XML and typed nodes into manifest file [7]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-45-48
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to resolve relative URIs in RDF/XML (for test manifests) [8]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-53-34
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to to ask danc and DaveB to join testing s/c [9]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-02-34
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to expose our walking tour data to SPARQL querying clients [10]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-05-49
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomA to read the protocol draft [protocol] and email a review to the WG before the next telcon 2004-11-09 [11]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-06-20
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JanneS to review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0256.html and check what happens when no source support is implemented [12]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-12-08
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janne to words for protocol spec to describe failure (including in the SOURCE case but generally as well) [13]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-15-00
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DaveB to update the dawg test repository to record or amend tests to correspond to the http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0241.html proposal [14]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-15-22
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to suggest formal definitions for SOURCE [15]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-15-51
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to review SPARQL def'ns post-publication [16]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-17-02
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to Review rq23 [17]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-24-53
15:27:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KevinW to Review rq23 [18]
15:27:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-25-02
15:32:32 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, who is on the phone
15:32:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS_scribe
15:32:46 <AndyS_scribe> zakim, who is here?
15:32:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, EricP, JanneS
15:32:58 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:39:05 <js> js has joined #dawg
15:39:10 <js> hello world
15:39:11 <ericP> welcome js
15:39:36 <js> one more thing
15:39:54 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:39:55 <Zakim> -EricP
15:39:56 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:39:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Kendall_Clark, Yoshio, AndyS, EricP, SimonR, Holbrook|Gibbins, SteveH, JanneS, PatH, Kevin
15:47:14 <SimonR> SimonR has joined #dawg
15:48:31 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave us
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> I see 18 open action items:
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to owner of issue 'yes or no questions' (pending protocol doc) [1]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-38-59
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AlbertoR to owns issue 'DESCRIBE' [2]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-38-59-1
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to find logistics re F2F5 at tech plenary in Boston March 28 Feb - 4 Mar (2 days).  Some WG preference to Mon/Tue of that week. [3]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-38-59-2
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH to own (i.e. propose resolution to) disjunction issue [4]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-39-02
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH to owns issue 'nested optionals' [5]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-39-05
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to notify SemWeb CG of EbXML possible sync point in April [6]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-41-11
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH is willing to adapt his testing infrastructure to generate input/output RDF/XML and typed nodes into manifest file [7]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-45-48
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to resolve relative URIs in RDF/XML (for test manifests) [8]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T14-53-34
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to to ask danc and DaveB to join testing s/c [9]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-02-34
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to expose our walking tour data to SPARQL querying clients [10]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-05-49
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomA to read the protocol draft [protocol] and email a review to the WG before the next telcon 2004-11-09 [11]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-06-20
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JanneS to review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0256.html and check what happens when no source support is implemented [12]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-12-08
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janne to words for protocol spec to describe failure (including in the SOURCE case but generally as well) [13]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-15-00
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DaveB to update the dawg test repository to record or amend tests to correspond to the http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0241.html proposal [14]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-15-22
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to suggest formal definitions for SOURCE [15]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-15-51
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to review SPARQL def'ns post-publication [16]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-17-02
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to Review rq23 [17]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-24-53
15:48:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KevinW to Review rq23 [18]
15:48:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/23-dawg-irc#T15-25-02