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21:01:12 <Zakim> +Avi
21:01:16 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:01:17 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
21:01:39 <Zakim> +JasonWhite
21:01:43 <Zakim> +Yvette_Hoitink
21:01:45 <Zakim> +Wendy
21:01:58 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:01:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Avi, Yvette_Hoitink, JasonWhite, Wendy
21:03:08 <Zakim> +??P3
21:03:11 <bcaldwell> zakim, ??P3 is Ben
21:03:11 <Zakim> +Ben; got it
21:04:13 <Zakim> +[IBM]
21:04:42 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
21:04:55 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
21:05:01 <Zakim> +??P7
21:05:14 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:05:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Avi, Yvette_Hoitink, JasonWhite, Wendy, Ben, [IBM], Becky_Gibson, ??P7
21:05:17 <Becky> Becky has joined #wai-wcag
21:05:19 <wendy> zakim, mute ??P7
21:05:19 <Zakim> ??P7 should now be muted
21:05:19 <bengt> zakim, ??P7 is bengt_Farre
21:05:20 <Zakim> +bengt_Farre; got it
21:05:38 <bengt> ok it was muted in this end
21:05:41 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:05:52 <wendy> zakim, [IBM] is Andi
21:05:52 <Zakim> +Andi; got it
21:05:54 <bcaldwell> zakim, Ben is Ben_and_Gregg
21:05:54 <Zakim> +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
21:06:03 <wendy> zakim, [Microsoft] is Mike
21:06:03 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
21:06:18 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:06:53 <Andi> Techniques Task Force Summary by Michael
21:06:59 <wendy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0308.html
21:07:13 <Andi> mc> getting ready to publish new WD's of HTML, CSS, and script techniques next week
21:07:26 <wendy> agenda+ conformance - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0235.html
21:07:27 <Andi> mc> test files raising questions about techniques
21:07:30 <gregg> gregg has joined #wai-wcag
21:07:38 <wendy> agenda+ 2.4 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0259.html
21:07:49 <wendy> agenda+ 2.5 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0268.html
21:08:00 <wendy> agenda+ 1.4 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0248.html
21:08:13 <wendy> agenda+ 1.1/1.2 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0307.html
21:08:33 <Andi> mc> the vote on techniques from the Face to Face meeting was useful in highlighting problem areas
21:08:40 <wendy> zakim, take up item 1
21:08:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "conformance - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0235.html" taken up [from wendy]
21:08:46 <Andi> mc> plan to use that approach in the future
21:10:11 <Andi> gv> conformance issues proposals
21:10:11 <bcaldwell> q+
21:10:30 <Andi> gv> Gregg will post final version to list 
21:11:33 <Andi> gv> proposes creating a document that describes our rationale for everything we did
21:11:46 <Andi> gv> references back to bugs
21:13:41 <wendy> q+ to say, "top level URI"
21:13:54 <wendy> or base
21:14:12 <Andi> gv> what is the term to describe www.something.com/directory/* ?
21:14:18 <gregg> q?
21:14:20 <Zakim> +??P10
21:14:20 <Andi> wc> top level URI?
21:14:28 <Andi> yh> it's a folder
21:14:41 <bengt> parital path
21:14:46 <bengt> partial
21:14:53 <Andi> wc> base, relative URIs
21:14:57 <Michael> q+ to say I'm looking in XPointer spec...
21:15:18 <wendy> q-
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21:15:33 <David_MacDonald> Thats me
21:15:33 <Andi> wc> can't use top level because that refers to only the very top level and can't be used for branchess that start in a sub-directory
21:15:41 <David_MacDonald> on the phone new person
21:15:46 <Michael> q-
21:15:54 <wendy> zakim, ?? is DAvid
21:15:54 <Zakim> +DAvid; got it
21:16:02 <Yvette> zakim, who's making noise?
21:16:12 <Andi> bc> suggests changing "provisions" to "criteria"
21:16:15 <Zakim> Yvette, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_and_Gregg (50%), Andi (15%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%)
21:16:19 <Andi> no objections
21:16:37 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
21:16:37 <Zakim> sorry, David_MacDonald, I do not see a party named 'David_MacDonald'
21:16:41 <Andi> bc> consistent use of delivery unit, not delivered unit
21:16:49 <Andi> bc> need definition of delivery unit
21:16:59 <Andi> wc> will use the one from the device independent WB
21:17:03 <David_MacDonald> zakim DAvid is David_MacDonald
21:17:06 <Andi> WB should be WG
21:17:19 <David_MacDonald> zakim, DAvid is David_MacDonald
21:17:19 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
21:17:21 <gregg> q?
21:17:29 <gregg> ack b
21:17:31 <wendy> http://www.w3.org/TR/di-gloss/#def-delivery-unit
21:17:32 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
21:17:32 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
21:17:38 <gregg> ack j
21:17:43 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:17:43 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:17:59 <Andi> jw> agrees that we need a document that describes rationale for all decisions
21:18:28 <Andi> jw> regarding URIs, clarifies proposals with regard to URIs
21:18:41 <Andi> should reference W3C specification
21:20:20 <Andi> gv and jw> specific wording "URI or set of URIs defined by a regular expression"
21:21:36 <Andi> gv> continues "according to XML ... document"
21:21:58 <Andi> Jason to provide specific proposal
21:24:21 <Andi> lg> sent memo to Oliver Thereaux asking what he meant by "adding a conformance disclaimer"
21:24:22 <bcaldwell> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=476
21:24:32 <Andi> lg> response posted to bug 476
21:27:53 <bcaldwell> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=837
21:28:49 <bcaldwell> q+
21:28:53 <Andi> gv> do we want to rethink our decision that techniques are not normative in light of our baseline decision
21:28:55 <Andi> ?
21:30:05 <Andi> no consensus to normative techniques at this time
21:31:58 <wendy> q+ to say "metadat"
21:32:14 <wendy> ack b
21:32:17 <wendy> ack w
21:32:17 <Zakim> wendy, you wanted to say "metadat"
21:32:17 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:32:31 <Andi> gv> with regard to machine readable conformance claims, we think they are a good idea but we don't think we can require them
21:33:06 <Andi> wc> will have proposal soon on the type of metadata that is useful to provide but it will not be a level 1 requirement.
21:34:03 <wendy> s/will/may not - not sure what liddy and jutta are thinking re: level for a proposed criterion related to providing metadata for content adaptation
21:34:07 <wendy> ack d
21:34:51 <Andi> dm> back to site map, reason may be to make site navigable - provides easy access to all links
21:35:26 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
21:35:26 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
21:35:33 <Yvette> q+ to ask "why a-aa-aaa when we already have lvl 1, 2,3"
21:36:04 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
21:36:04 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:36:21 <Andi> gv> should we use AAA or Triple-A
21:37:01 <Andi> yh> why do we have Level 1, 2, and 3 and then use something different (A, AA, and AAA) for conformance claim
21:37:24 <wendy> ack y
21:37:24 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to ask "why a-aa-aaa when we already have lvl 1, 2,3"
21:37:31 <wendy> ack j
21:38:01 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:38:01 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:38:44 <Zakim> -JasonWhite
21:39:06 <Andi> gv> proposes using Triple-A for now to be consistent with other guidelines 
21:39:12 <Andi> group agrees
21:40:46 <Zakim> +JasonWhite
21:43:07 <Andi> mb> disagrees with proposed resolution of 1076
21:43:24 <gregg> q?
21:43:31 <gregg> ack m
21:43:31 <Andi> agreement to add paragraph in 1076 recommendation # 1
21:43:49 <bcaldwell> ack Mike
21:43:50 <gregg> ack j
21:44:17 <Andi> jw> what about messages or user interface that an application might generate that would not have a URI?
21:46:18 <gregg> ack j
21:46:39 <Andi> jw> not different from case where you have multiple versions of content that are retrieved from a URI
21:47:20 <Yvette> q+ to say "content negotiation"
21:47:25 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
21:47:25 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:47:54 <Yvette> q-
21:48:37 <Andi> gv> create a bug - what about content that is not tied to a specific URI?
21:49:09 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:49:09 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:50:12 <gregg> ack j
21:51:09 <Andi> jw> both Level 1 and the first part of Level 2 are for user agent support
21:51:32 <Andi> gv> create a bug - explain clear delineation for when something goes in Level 1 or 2 for user agent support
21:52:48 <Yvette> q+
21:52:59 <bcaldwell> q+ to say, "what is significant?"
21:53:02 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
21:53:02 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:53:44 <Andi> yh> what should conform to which level of WCAG should be for policy makers and should not be in the guidelines themselves
21:53:49 <Andi> andi agrees with yh
21:55:28 <Andi> gv> WCAG 2.0 is a standard of accessibility. It is up to others to determine when to implement.
21:55:48 <David_MacDonald> zakim, unmute me
21:55:48 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
21:55:53 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:55:53 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:55:55 <bcaldwell> q-
21:56:29 <David_MacDonald> q=
21:56:33 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:57:39 <Andi> bc> should we use priority to be consistent with other guidelines?
21:58:17 <Andi> gv> agree to consider
21:58:23 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
21:58:23 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:58:23 <wendy> ack y
21:58:35 <wendy> ack d
21:58:42 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:58:44 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:59:15 <Andi> dm> will some people thing that WCAG 1.0 are "beginner" guidelines and WCAG 2.0 are "advanced"?
21:59:32 <gregg> ack d
21:59:40 <Andi> gv> with other specifications such as HTML, version number means the latest version of the spec
21:59:53 <Andi> wc> recommends covering in transitional documents and education
22:00:30 <Andi> proposed edits on conformance will go into the next draft
22:00:50 <wendy> ack j
22:01:09 <Andi> jw> in addition to considering "priority" as terminology, also consider using "provision" instead of "success criteria" to align with UAAG terminology
22:01:37 <Andi> Guideline 2.4 summary
22:01:58 <Zakim> +Mike_Barta
22:02:40 <Andi> q+
22:02:51 <wendy> zakim, close item 1
22:02:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
22:02:52 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:02:53 <Zakim> 2. 2.4 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0259.html [from wendy]
22:02:58 <wendy> zakim, take up item 2
22:02:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "2.4 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0259.html" taken up [from wendy]
22:03:20 <wendy> q+ to ask about "perceivable unit in level 3 #4"
22:04:06 <wendy> ack a
22:04:25 <wendy> asw doesn't like word, "tools" better to use "mechanisms" as with other guidelines
22:04:37 <wendy> asw don't like the level 1 criterion that is the same as another one. what is the purpose?
22:04:53 <wendy> gv purpose: if you don't have a level 1 criterion, the entire guideline disappears from a list of level 1 criteria
22:05:17 <wendy> gv this is a 2nd good reason for doing the level 1 criterion (i.e., multiple reasons for doing this task)
22:05:45 <Yvette> q+ to say "agree with andy"
22:05:52 <wendy> ack w
22:05:52 <Zakim> wendy, you wanted to ask about "perceivable unit in level 3 #4"
22:06:11 <Andi> wc> agree with Andi about use of "mechanisms" instead of "tools"
22:06:21 <Andi> consensus
22:06:47 <Andi> wc> L3 SC 4 uses term "perceivable unit". should be "delivery unit"
22:07:00 <Andi> bc> also in L2
22:07:02 <Zakim> -Mike_Barta
22:07:21 <wendy> ack j
22:07:55 <Andi> jw> should remove editorial notes before publication
22:08:22 <Andi> jw> rest of my comments posted to list do not have to be resolved prior to next draft
22:10:07 <Andi> wc> should highlight that L1 SC is the same as GL 1.3 and ask for feedback on whether or not this is confusing
22:10:16 <Andi> jw> recommends shortening
22:10:32 <Andi> gv> editors will shorten editorial notes and ask reflective questions
22:10:49 <Yvette> ack y
22:10:50 <wendy> ack y
22:10:50 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "agree with andy"
22:11:09 <Andi> yh> supposed to do issue summary for 2.4 and 1.3
22:11:27 <Andi> yh> plans to make proposal to integrate the two
22:11:43 <Andi> yh> seems like 1.3 is a technique or success criteria for 2.4
22:12:34 <Andi> yh> symptom of underlying problem that perhaps these two guidelines should not be two guidelines
22:13:04 <Andi> q+
22:13:24 <Andi> q-
22:14:10 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
22:14:10 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:14:23 <wendy> zakim, close this item
22:14:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
22:14:24 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:14:25 <Zakim> 3. 2.5 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0268.html [from wendy]
22:14:31 <wendy> zakim, take up next item
22:14:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "2.5 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0268.html" taken up [from wendy]
22:15:02 <wendy> asw sent proposal just before mtg.
22:15:18 <wendy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0326.html
22:15:41 <wendy> 2. If a user error is detected, and suggestions for correction are known
22:15:42 <wendy> and can be provided without jeopardizing security or purpose, the error is
22:15:44 <wendy> identified and the suggestions are provided in an accessible form that
22:15:45 <wendy> meets WCAG 2.0 at Level A.
22:16:13 <wendy> asw dont think need the clarification, it should be assumed.
22:16:25 <wendy> gv is the error msg available through the uri
22:16:45 <wendy> jw if not stated explicitly, and adding it, people iwll try to interpret it as it not needing to conform.
22:17:08 <wendy> asw then do we need that to every guideline that adds contentt?
22:17:12 <Yvette> q+ to say "confusing"
22:17:28 <wendy> gv that is a good question
22:17:50 <Becky> sorry, I need to leave early today
22:17:55 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
22:18:10 <wendy> wac good place for ednote? feedback about if needed or how interpreted?
22:18:15 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
22:18:15 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:18:33 <wendy> gv it's a reminder. anyone speak pro or con?
22:18:43 <wendy> yh agree that it is confusing.
22:18:53 <wendy> bc leave it as "provided in accessible form"
22:19:07 <wendy> gv more vague - means, accessible at level 1 or 2?
22:20:56 <wendy> wac only place we use this is in Guideline 4.2 and talks about conformance to UAAG (not conformance to WCAG)
22:21:36 <wendy> resolved: remove that phrase
22:21:44 <Yvette> zakim,  mute me
22:21:44 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:22:21 <wendy> 2. If possible for the natural language of the text, an option is provided
22:22:23 <wendy> to check text entries for misspelled words with suggestions for correct
22:22:24 <wendy> spellings.
22:22:56 <wendy> jw there are invalid strings of characters
22:23:21 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:24:07 <wendy> jw a more general way to say "spelling"?
22:24:20 <wendy> asw go into general techniqus?
22:24:22 <Zakim> -Avi
22:26:01 <David_MacDonald> zakim, unmute me
22:26:01 <Zakim> David_MacDonald was not muted, David_MacDonald
22:26:33 <wendy> gv "misformed" words instead of "misspelled?
22:26:35 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
22:26:35 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink was already muted, Yvette
22:26:44 <wendy> ack y
22:26:45 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "confusing"
22:26:51 <wendy> ack m
22:27:34 <wendy> mb  validation could mean spelling as well as other errors
22:27:47 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
22:27:47 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:27:53 <Zakim> -bengt_Farre
22:28:19 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
22:28:19 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:28:35 <wendy> action: add mike's proposal to the issues list
22:28:47 <wendy> action: add andi to future agenda to discuss other issues with 2.5
22:29:58 <wendy> zakim, close this item
22:29:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
22:29:59 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:30:00 <Zakim> 4. 1.4 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0248.html [from wendy]
22:30:04 <wendy> zakim, take up next item
22:30:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "1.4 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0248.html" taken up [from wendy]
22:30:10 <Andi> wendy, am I scribing again?
22:30:20 <wendy> if you would, that would be great.
22:31:12 <Andi> dm> still need algorithm for color contrast
22:31:23 <Andi> q+
22:31:59 <wendy> ack a
22:32:03 <Yvette> q+ to say "where user input is required for which there is a known set of valid choices, present these choices to the user."
22:32:14 <wendy> asw there are tools that check color contrast. won't they tell us the algorithm?
22:32:37 <wendy> gv the values in the formula are the ones most of the tools are using. these are taken from ansi standards.
22:32:51 <Yvette> q-
22:33:04 <wendy> gv they deal with measurements from the screen not in the content
22:33:59 <bcaldwell> q+
22:35:10 <Andi> dm> one bug deals with enlargeable text size, not appropriate to this guideline
22:35:36 <Andi> gv> should go in user agent repair category. UA should be able to zoom text even if author has used fixed text size
22:35:52 <Andi> q+
22:36:18 <Andi> wc> recommends adding something about a minimum default size
22:36:43 <Andi> gv> but if the UA allows you to make it larger, you can just zoom it in
22:37:04 <Andi> wc> some people use images for certain fonts because the fonts they want to use are not free
22:37:54 <Andi> gv> add Wendy's comments to this bug (1025), change bug to a different category 
22:38:25 <Andi> q-
22:38:31 <bcaldwell> q-
22:42:59 <bcaldwell> david's wording reccs: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0250.html
22:44:13 <bcaldwell> add a definition of audio contrast and include signal to noise info at end of Davi'd proposal?
22:44:25 <bcaldwell> resolved: accept david's proposed revisions
22:44:54 <Andi>  jw> would like my documented issues to be take up in the next draft
22:45:43 <Andi> jw> another issue I didn't raise, there's a not about transcripts for multimedia at level 1
22:47:45 <Andi> wd and jw will work out which of jw's issues will be picked up and which will wait until later
22:47:54 <Andi> bc> have we removed multimedia from 1.1?
22:48:05 <Andi> wc> no. we still use "non-text content"
22:48:39 <Andi> gv> monomedia with interaction is missing
22:48:56 <Andi> wc> thought we decided at f-2-f this was part of 4.2
22:49:17 <Andi> gv> interaction only is part of 4.2. Presentation is part of 1.1 or 1.2
22:50:12 <Andi> gregg to write an editorial note for 1.2
22:50:47 <bcaldwell> q+
22:52:07 <Andi> add to 1.1, if there is any time-based interaction with audio or video presentation, alternatives have to be synchronized.
22:52:25 <Zakim> -JasonWhite
22:53:04 <Andi> wc> proposed editorial note for 1.2 that we still have to address monomedia that needs synchronized equivalents
22:54:37 <Andi> wc> if have multimedia application, captions may not be the way to make it accessible
22:54:54 <Andi> may be more appropriate to cover under 4.2
22:55:15 <Andi> bc> left out the need for labeling multimedia. 
22:55:19 <Andi> wc> still in 1.1
22:55:34 <Andi> wc> definition of non-text content includes multi-media
22:57:07 <Yvette> q+
22:57:30 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
22:57:30 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
22:58:39 <Andi> wc> include note on 1.1 to clarify that it means a label is required for multimedia
22:58:44 <bcaldwell> ack Jason
22:58:47 <bcaldwell> ack b
22:59:05 <Andi> gv> add note on 1.2 that single media with interaction is considered multimedia
23:00:03 <Andi> gv> example of video where you have to click at a certain time to go to another page
23:00:59 <Zakim> -Mike
23:02:20 <Andi> yh> concern that 1.1 L1 SC 1 is now applied to multimedia - not all multimedia is functional
23:02:40 <Andi> wc> note has to be clear that "for multimedia that is functional, ...."
23:03:31 <Andi> yh> okay under #2.
23:11:30 <Andi> draft available for editorial review on Wednesday
23:11:49 <Andi> Yvette, David, Andi, Loretta to help proof the draft
23:12:27 <Andi> hoping Becky can do the script techniques
23:12:35 <Andi> Andi has a resource that can help with that if Becky can't
23:12:39 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:12:40 <Zakim> -Andi
23:12:41 <Zakim> -Wendy
23:12:42 <Zakim> -Yvette_Hoitink
23:12:46 <Andi> Andi has left #wai-wcag
23:14:12 <Zakim> -Ben_and_Gregg
23:14:13 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
23:14:14 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
23:14:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Avi, JasonWhite, Yvette_Hoitink, Wendy, Becky_Gibson, bengt_Farre, Andi, Ben_and_Gregg, Mike, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Mike_Barta
23:16:16 <Yvette> Yvette has left #wai-wcag
23:22:36 <wendy> RRSAgent, make log world
23:29:36 <bcaldwell> zakim, bye
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23:29:41 <bcaldwell> RRSAgent, bye
23:29:41 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items:
23:29:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add mike's proposal to the issues list [1]
23:29:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/11-wai-wcag-irc#T22-28-35
23:29:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add andi to future agenda to discuss other issues with 2.5 [2]
23:29:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/11/11-wai-wcag-irc#T22-28-47