IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-10-27

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13:56:30 [wendy]

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/ - good article. related to design for low vision.

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14:02:07 [wendy]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:02:07 [Zakim]

sorry, wendy, I don't know what conference this is

14:02:11 [wendy]

zakim, this is wcag

14:02:12 [Zakim]

On IRC I see ken, David_MacDonald, ChrisR, bcaldwell, RRSAgent, Zakim, wendy, sh1mmer

14:02:18 [Zakim]

ok, wendy; that matches WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM

14:02:18 [wendy]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:02:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Wendy

14:02:34 [Zakim]

+??P8

14:02:38 [Zakim]

-??P8

14:02:40 [Zakim]

+??P8

14:02:45 [ken]

ken = ken kipnes

14:02:59 [wendy]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:02:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Wendy, ??P8

14:03:00 [David_MacDonald]

I'm getting a phone message that says "The conference is restricted at this time

14:03:05 [Zakim]

+Becky_Gibson

14:03:09 [wendy]

zakim, ??P8 is Ben

14:03:09 [Zakim]

+Ben; got it

14:03:24 [Zakim]

+??P9

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14:03:35 [Zakim]

+Ken_Kipnes

14:04:16 [wendy]

zakim, ??P9 is Chris_Ridpath

14:04:16 [Zakim]

+Chris_Ridpath; got it

14:05:19 [Zakim]

+??P14

14:05:42 [David_MacDonald]

zakim, ??P14 is David MacDonald

14:05:42 [Zakim]

I don't understand '??P14 is David MacDonald', David_MacDonald

14:05:45 [wendy]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:05:45 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Wendy, Ben, Becky_Gibson, Chris_Ridpath, Ken_Kipnes, ??P14

14:06:14 [David_MacDonald]

zakim, ??P14 is David_MacDonald

14:06:14 [Zakim]

+David_MacDonald; got it

14:06:15 [Zakim]

+John_Slatin

14:07:15 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

14:07:29 [wendy]

zakim, +[Microsoft] is Jenae

14:07:29 [Zakim]

sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+[Microsoft]'

14:08:26 [ben]

action items listed in Bugzilla: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/condensedreports/actionitems.php

14:08:48 [wendy]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:08:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Wendy, Ben, Becky_Gibson, Chris_Ridpath, Ken_Kipnes, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, [Microsoft]

14:09:08 [wendy]

wac: f2f minutes, authored unit summary, working w/john on 2.4

14:09:26 [wendy]

bc: issues summary, working w/matt on uaag about baseline, going through general issues w/wac

14:11:16 [wendy]

bg: color name support follow-up (jaws will read hex from x11 or color name, if doesn't recognize reads number.tested 40/256. window eyes will also read color, reads rgb value. jaws doesn't udnerstand rgb) - will write it up and send to the list. and propose technique. think blink is done. ibm proposed an idea to gather techniques.

14:12:11 [wendy]

cr: working w/mc to ensure a test for each technique and tech for each SC. still many techs that don't have tests. talking w/jenae aobut getting tests approved by group. lots of tests to move through. waiting to move tests to w3c site.

14:12:52 [wendy]

kk: writing tests for oracle checker. correspond to some of the techniques.

14:13:42 [wendy]

action: ken and chris talk about tests.

14:14:09 [wendy]

dmd i'm to test xx-small and xx-large if supported by popular screen readers.

14:14:16 [wendy]

js jaws and windows eyes support.

14:14:26 [wendy]

js test hal

14:14:30 [wendy]

dmd i'll also test hpr

14:14:45 [wendy]

dmd also working on list of 1.4 bugs.

14:15:00 [wendy]

dmd looking at mappings and looking for gaps

14:15:19 [wendy]

dmd audio contrast technique

14:16:23 [wendy]

js gen techs for 2.4, proposal for guideline/success criteria for 2.4, finish gen techs (for 2.4), then updating issue summary for 3.1 and then gen techs for 3.1, probably lead to rewording

14:17:04 [wendy]

wac and js also working on 1.2

14:17:18 [wendy]

ja working with cr, waiting for test cases on w3c site, then go through process

14:17:29 [wendy]

js also looking at issues related to intro, but don't plan to touch for a while

14:20:44 [wendy]

going through notes from f2f to fill in gaps

14:25:58 [wendy]

in discussion about general techs, major elephant: are they techniques or descriptions? keep them in separate document or include in informative section of guidelines? guidelines are general, if next layer is also general, will that frustrate people?

14:26:41 [wendy]

js would be possible to write the explanatory material for now in general, if people felt later that some is better in informative, could move and tweak to fit new context.

14:27:22 [wendy]

bc perhaps another location - a reference document about our process and why things are the way they are.

14:27:39 [wendy]

js treating general techs as a place for gen techs as well as a "guide to the guidelines"

14:29:20 [wendy]

js part of concern comes from 1.1 gen techs. 1.3 are different, they are more similar to techs. 2.4 even more similar. as i do more work, getting closer to techniques presentation. plan to go back to 1.1

14:36:46 [wendy]

working bottom-up

14:37:08 [wendy]

the straw polls: tie up loose ends from that process, looking at the one where there was no consensus

14:38:46 [wendy]

encourage people to attend tomorrow's call to better understand discussion about baseline and uaag. waiting for analysis from ben and matt.

14:38:55 [wendy]

right now, HPR is closest to meeting UAG

14:38:59 [wendy]

s/UAG/UAAG

14:39:06 [wendy]

js good to look at UAAG 1.0 before tomorrow's call

14:40:06 [ben]

http://www.w3.org/2004/10/22-wai-wcag-irc.html

14:40:54 [wendy]

bc there is a fair amount of overlap between our work and alistair's work and euroaccessibility on wcag 1.0.

14:41:18 [wendy]

js also, good to have JIS representatives (Takayuki and Makoto) to discuss gaps and overlap between our work and theirs.

14:43:02 [wendy]

wac discussing techniques (from the straw poll that are contentious) assuming UAAG as basline can help us analyze if that is a workable solution.

14:44:53 [ben]

techniques submission archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/

14:45:01 [wendy]

action: cr get caught up on bug submissions

14:45:09 [wendy]

action: becky add submissions to bugzilla

14:45:36 [wendy]

action 2 = cr get caught up on techs submissions, except those by becky

14:46:26 [wendy]

tests: moving to w3c site, incorporating tests from ken and alistair, straw polling for concensus on tests

14:47:14 [Zakim]

-Becky_Gibson

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-John_Slatin

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-Wendy

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-Ben

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-David_MacDonald

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-Chris_Ridpath

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-Ken_Kipnes

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14:53:18 [Zakim]

-[Microsoft]

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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Wendy, Becky_Gibson, Ben, Ken_Kipnes, Chris_Ridpath, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, [Microsoft]

15:17:48 [ben]

zakim, bye

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15:17:53 [ben]

rrsagent, bye

15:17:53 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items:

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ACTION: ken and chris talk about tests. [1]

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ACTION: cr get caught up on techs submissions, except those by becky [2]

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ACTION: becky add submissions to bugzilla [3]

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