IRC log of ws-addr on 2004-10-21

Timestamps are in UTC.

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Zakim, aaaa is Michael.Eder
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+Michael.Eder; got it
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+ +1.509.427.aacc
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Zakim, aabb is Mark.Peel
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+Mark.Peel; got it
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+ +1.781.902.aadd
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+ +1.978.460.aaee
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Zakim, aadd is Rebecca.Bergersen
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+Rebecca.Bergersen; got it
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17:01:16 [mnot]
Zakim, who is here?
17:01:16 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Michael.Eder, Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, Mark.Peel, +1.509.427.aacc, Rebecca.Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, +1.978.460.aaee, [webMethods]
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Zakim, aaee is Bob.Freund
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, hugo, Zakim, Marsh, mnot, pauld
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+Bob.Freund; got it
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+ +1.650.320.aaff
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Zakim, aaff is Steve.Winkler
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+Steve.Winkler; got it
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Zakim, aacc is temporarily Mark.Hadley
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+Mark.Hadley; got it
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+ +1.408.252.aagg
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zakim, who is here?
17:03:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Michael.Eder, Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, Mark.Peel, Mark.Hadley, Rebecca.Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, Bob.Freund, [webMethods], Steve.Winkler, J.Mischkinsky,
17:03:49 [Zakim]
... [IBM_Watson], JacekK, Anish, ??P27, +1.408.252.aagg
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On IRC I see marc, RRSAgent, hugo, Zakim, Marsh, mnot, pauld
17:04:06 [hugo]
Zakim, aagg is Ales.Novy
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+Ales.Novy; got it
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Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG call
17:04:48 [hugo]
Chair: Mark Nottingham
17:04:52 [hugo]
Scribe: hugo
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17:05:44 [Zakim]
17:06:00 [hugo]
Zakim, ??P29 is Dave.Orchard
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+Dave.Orchard; got it
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Zakim, Mark.Hadley is Marc.Hadley
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+Marc.Hadley; got it
17:07:11 [hugo]
Topic: Agenda review, AOB
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Nothing technical today
17:07:40 [hugo]
Topic: Working Group process and administrivia
17:07:57 [hugo]
Mark: the charter is at
17:08:13 [hugo]
... it's based on the W3C process, which is consensus-based
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... it's also under the W3C patent policy
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17:09:42 [hugo]
... we have 2 mailing lists: a member one for administrative matters, and the public list is for technical matters
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... in case we communicate with groups that don't work in public, we may use the member-confidential list
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... if you have issues accessing parts of the Web site, contact Hugo
17:11:03 [Marsh]
17:11:22 [hugo]
... minutes should be taken on IRC
17:11:37 [mnot]
17:12:13 [hugo]
... it helps to take action items, keep track of the queue, etc.
17:12:20 [mnot]
17:12:27 [hugo]
... for telcon times, it's going to be tough to pick a time
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... it should be linked from the WG page
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ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page
17:13:29 [hugo]
ack Marsh
17:13:47 [hugo]
Jonathan: are you going to send the agenda to the member list or the public list?
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Mark: any preference?
17:14:02 [anish]
i prefer that the agenda goes to public
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17:14:24 [hugo]
Jeff: we use the public list in WSD
17:14:32 [Zakim]
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... except for regrets and call-in numbers
17:14:47 [hugo]
Mark: ok, let's try that then
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... please note that if you can't make it to the meeting, please send regrets to the administrative list
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... I'd like to make a decision on telcon times next week
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... please answer ASAP
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... we will need to take minutes
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... I'll make a call for volunteers, otherwise we'll do a round-robin among WG members
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... IRC is not required, but preferred
17:17:41 [Marsh]
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Jonathan: IRC gets very useful as soon as lots of people join
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Mark: we'll have F2Fs every 1.5 months to start with
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... we should have one in December, and one in Jan
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... I have set up a poll
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... we should have one in Europe, one on the West Coast, then at the Tech Plen
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Jonathan: the WSDWG is interested in colocating
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... there is a big overlap
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... we have been looking at January
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... we can work on this on the CG call
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Marc: I am wondering if we are going to have critical mass with such a frequency
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17:21:24 [hugo]
MarkN: the charter is pretty clear about this
17:21:34 [hugo]
... actually, this is related to good standing
17:21:56 [dorchard]
is it really miss 1 in 3?
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... not attending too many meetings in a row may place you in bad standing
17:22:15 [Zakim]
+ +1.617.710.aahh
17:23:11 [plh]
17:23:28 [hugo]
... if we have too many people not in good standing, we will see how it impacts the req for quorum
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Jeff: what rules will you be using for good standing?
17:23:54 [dorchard]
yeah, it's miss more than 1 in 3 meetings.
17:24:07 [hugo]
MarkN: [ quotes the process / URL above ]
17:24:24 [dorchard]
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... this has to be applied evenly in the WG
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... this will be applied pretty strictly
17:25:29 [hugo]
Zakim, aahh is Glen.Daniels
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+Glen.Daniels; got it
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Jeff: I note that there will be telcons during holidays
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Mark: we'll have to figure things out for holidays
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ack dor
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DaveO: both reps count for resetting the standing counter
17:26:57 [hugo]
Jeff: how do you get it back if you lose it?
17:27:06 [hugo]
Mark: you basically participate regularly
17:27:31 [hugo]
Mark: with regards to the issues process:
17:27:53 [hugo]
... I would like to callect issues starting next week at the F2F
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... I would like to see for each issue a description of the issue, and a fairly fleshed out resolution proposal
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... also, which specifications it applies to should be specified
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... re decision making: it's a consensus-based process
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... if we can't establish consensus, we'll use a formal vote with simple majority
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... issues won't be reopen without new evidence
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Topic: Work items and schedule
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Mark: Basis of work: WS-Addressing
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... deliverables:
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... Web Services Addressing specification
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... Web Services Addressing SOAP 1.1 and SOAP 1.2 Binding specification
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... Web Services Addressing WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 Binding specification
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... Test suite, with 4 interoperable implementations
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17:31:23 [hugo]
... we have a fair amount of work ahead of us
17:32:02 [hugo]
... re editors: if you are interested in becoming an editor, please contact Hugo and I
17:32:12 [anish]
17:32:42 [hugo]
... since we have a tight schedule, I'm going to be inclined to choose somebody with W3C editing experince, but it's not a req
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... for use cases, we will use this as a motivation to make decisions
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Anish: is SOAP 1.1 and WSDL 1.1 being normatively referenced from a Rec an exception?
17:34:40 [hugo]
Mark: no; note that there will be time next week to discussed issues derived from the charter
17:34:46 [hugo]
Topic: NYC Face-to-Face
17:35:13 [hugo]
Mark: I'd like us to walk out with a good understanding of the issues we face
17:35:15 [Zakim]
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17:35:28 [hugo]
... also, we need to get to know each other
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Jonathan: I'm interested in knowing what our implementation story is
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... who has implementations? who has test suites to help us for CR stage?
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Mark: I'll get a revised agenda out today
17:37:22 [hugo]
... note that there is a reading list
17:37:53 [hugo]
... please register before tonight midnight:
17:37:55 [harris]
dinner Monday sounds good
17:38:13 [hugo]
... it is traditional to have a group dinner
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... maybe on Monday
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Paco: I'll look for places to go to
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17:40:15 [hugo]
RRSAgent, please excuse us
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I see 1 open action item:
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ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page [1]
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recorded in
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WS_ArchWG(address)1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.781.993.aaaa, Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, +1.847.956.aabb, Michael.Eder, +1.509.427.aacc, Mark.Peel, +1.781.902.aadd, Jonathan_Marsh, +1.978.460.aaee,
17:40:32 [Zakim]
... Rebecca.Bergersen, [webMethods], Bob.Freund, +1.650.320.aaff, J.Mischkinsky, Steve.Winkler, [IBM_Watson], JacekK, Anish, +1.408.252.aagg, Ales.Novy, Dave.Orchard, Marc.Hadley,
17:40:33 [hugo]
Zakim, please excuse us
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... Philippe, +1.617.710.aahh, Glen.Daniels
17:40:42 [hugo]
RRSAgent, please excuse us
17:40:42 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items