IRC log of dawg on 2004-10-12

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14:28:15 [RRSAgent]

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14:28:32 [kendall]

so that action can be dropped, IMIO

14:28:35 [kendall]

er, immo

14:28:38 [kendall]

errr! imo :>

14:29:01 [Zakim]

+DanC

14:29:12 [Zakim]

+??P11

14:29:18 [SimonR]

That'd be me.

14:29:23 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:29:25 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P12 is AndyS

14:29:25 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:29:46 [JanneS]

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14:29:52 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-415

14:29:52 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:29:53 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:29:54 [Zakim]

+??P13

14:30:07 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:30:09 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P13 is SteveH

14:30:09 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:30:11 [Zakim]

+??P14

14:30:38 [ericP]

quiet here

14:31:54 [SteveH]

+1 to ajourning

14:32:48 [AndyS]

After call topic: what happnes to does rq23/

14:33:00 [AndyS]

After call topic: what happens to rq23/ next

14:34:26 [Zakim]

+Kevin

14:34:45 [DanC]

Zakim, take up agendum 1

14:34:45 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review record and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0096.html" taken up [from DanC]

14:34:58 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:34:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see PatH, DanC, SimonR, AndyS, EricP, SteveH, Kendall_Clark, JanneS, Kevin

14:34:59 [AndyS]

"4 people" => Steve, Dave, Howard, Simon

14:35:30 [DanC]

regrets: Dave Beckett, Jos De Roo, Howard, Farrukh

14:35:42 [KevinW]

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14:36:24 [kendall]

SimonR scribe for 10-19 meeting

14:36:53 [AndyS]

Possible regrets for Oct 19 - or maybe partial attenance

14:37:02 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:37:02 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Publication of SPARQL" taken up [from DanC]

14:37:06 [kendall]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0053.html -- APPROVED as minutes for last week's meeting (5 Oct)

14:37:21 [AndyS]

Definite regrets for 26 Oct : on a plane

14:37:30 [kendall]

Critical path for SPARQ QL for RDF -- EricP

14:37:50 [kendall]

Draft has moved into W3C machinery, from which we hope some good information will escape soon.

14:38:20 [kendall]

PatH -- technical problems in definitions, which have been addressed, but he hasn't re-engaged since then

14:39:07 [kendall]

AndyS would appreciate review of doc up to 4.3 -- post-pub review, that is.

14:39:16 [kendall]

PatH -- can't do till Thursday

14:39:39 [kendall]

ACTION PatH review SPARQL def'ns post-publication

14:39:55 [kendall]

ACTION: PatH review SPARQL def'ns post-publication

14:39:58 [kendall]

thx

14:40:29 [kendall]

+1

14:40:43 [kendall]

AndyS: issues should be raised distinctly from editorial points

14:40:58 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:40:58 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Publish UC&R" taken up [from DanC]

14:41:19 [kendall]

EricP has req'd pub from W3C team

14:41:28 [kendall]

re: UC&R

14:42:03 [kendall]

status for UC&R is that we think we are finished

14:42:17 [kendall]

no pending objectives or requirements, and editor would like to stop adding use cases

14:42:28 [kendall]

SimonR: may have a use case for counting

14:42:53 [DanC]

(counting... please no!)

14:42:56 [kendall]

PatH: DAML ql potential users wanted counting

14:43:04 [ericP]

q+ to ask about future changes to UC&R

14:43:24 [DanC]

ack ericp

14:43:24 [Zakim]

ericP, you wanted to ask about future changes to UC&R

14:43:47 [kendall]

EricP: reflected that there was some stability in the UC&R

14:44:58 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:44:58 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "SPARQL Protocol" taken up [from DanC]

14:45:02 [kendall]

me: blah blah :>

14:45:53 [ericP]

cheers, all. i have to leave.

14:46:08 [AndyS]

CU eric

14:46:22 [Zakim]

-EricP

14:46:25 [AndyS]

Thx for publication work.

14:47:05 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:47:05 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Web Services Constraints and Capabilities" taken up [from DanC]

14:47:19 [kendall]

KendallC: protocol draft under furious work, should have something to show soonish -- for next week's meeting, ideally.

14:47:47 [kendall]

EricP: attending the WS C&C workshop today; we anticipate a report from him next week.

14:48:02 [DanC]

ACTION EricP: draft UC on overlap between RDF query and web service constraints with respect to WS-Policy

14:48:04 [DanC]

continues

14:48:12 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:48:12 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Issues" taken up [from DanC]

14:48:32 [AndyS]

AOB: Do we need to reply to any dawg-comments (Phil Dawes, others?)

14:48:51 [kendall]

DanC: reformatted issues list from table to list

14:48:58 [DanC]

agenda + comment from Dawes

14:49:06 [kendall]

KendallC: let's chat about issues list after this meeting

14:49:19 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:49:19 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "SOURCE" taken up [from DanC]

14:49:22 [kendall]

[continue these actions...]

14:49:47 [kendall]

ACTION SteveH: owns issue 'nested optionals'

14:49:47 [kendall]

ACTION AlbertoR: owns issue 'DESCRIBE'

14:49:47 [kendall]

ACTION DanC: owner of issue 'yes or no questions'

14:49:47 [kendall]

ACTION SteveH: own (i.e. propose resolution to) disjunction issue

14:49:48 [kendall]

ACTION DanC: talk with Kendall about issues list maintenance

14:49:55 [kendall]

-- all continue

14:50:17 [kendall]

SteveH: happy w/ amount of work re: SOURCE tests he's done so far; could do more later, if necessary

14:50:51 [kendall]

ACTION: SteveH to turn his SOURCE tests into SPARQL ones

14:51:28 [kendall]

ACTION SteveH: test cases (10 or so) re: current SOURCE design.

14:51:31 [kendall]

completed

14:51:44 [kendall]

ACTION AlbertoR: real test cases re: current SOURCE design. -- COMPLETED

14:51:57 [kendall]

ACTION DaveB: Update the source section 9, add

14:51:57 [kendall]

more formal links, update the examples, try to think about extra

14:51:57 [kendall]

constraints as EricP proposed (SOURCE ?s and ?s only in in

14:52:00 [kendall]

SELECT). Look at various people's source test cases.

14:52:03 [kendall]

-- continues

14:52:11 [kendall]

ACTION: Tom to send sample iTQL queries and result formats for

14:52:14 [kendall]

subqueries vs. disjunction -- continues

14:52:58 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:52:58 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Comments from SWBP&D WG" taken up [from DanC]

14:54:05 [kendall]

We are doing something HTTP-based.

14:54:34 [DanC]

Zakim, next agendum

14:54:34 [Zakim]

agendum 9. "comment from Dawes" taken up [from DanC]

14:55:19 [kendall]

DanC: we have some obligation to pay some attention to comments that come in from others.

14:56:35 [kendall]

ACTION: AndyS formally respond to phil dawes's comment, closing that loop for now

14:56:46 [DanC]

JC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2004Sep/0007.html

14:58:28 [kendall]

We informally note that this input is interesting and it will be considered in due course

15:00:30 [DanC]

Zakim, agenda?

15:00:30 [Zakim]

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

15:00:32 [Zakim]

9. comment from Dawes [from DanC]

15:03:01 [DanC]

ADJOURN.

15:03:04 [kendall]

-30-

15:03:09 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:03:10 [Zakim]

-JanneS

15:03:12 [Zakim]

-SimonR

15:03:18 [Zakim]

-Kevin

15:03:20 [DanC]

RRSAgent, make logs public

15:03:25 [DanC]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:03:26 [KevinW]

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15:03:28 [DanC]

RRSAgent, pointer?

15:03:28 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T15-03-28

15:04:27 [DanC]

RRSAgent, bye

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

I see 13 open action items:

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: PatH review SPARQL def'ns post-publication [1]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-39-55

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EricP to draft UC on overlap between RDF query and web service constraints with respect to WS-Policy [2]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-48-02

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: SteveH to owns issue 'nested optionals' [3]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-49-47

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AlbertoR to owns issue 'DESCRIBE' [4]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-49-47-1

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: DanC to owner of issue 'yes or no questions' [5]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-49-47-2

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: SteveH to own (i.e. propose resolution to) disjunction issue [6]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-49-47-3

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: DanC to talk with Kendall about issues list maintenance [7]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-49-48

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: SteveH to turn his SOURCE tests into SPARQL ones [8]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-50-51

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: SteveH to test cases (10 or so) re: current SOURCE design. [9]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-51-28

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AlbertoR to real test cases re: current SOURCE design. -- COMPLETED [10]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-51-44

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: DaveB to Update the source section 9, add [11]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-51-57

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Tom to send sample iTQL queries and result formats for [12]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-52-11

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS formally respond to phil dawes's comment, closing that loop for now [13]

15:04:27 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/12-dawg-irc#T14-56-35