19:03:04 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 19:03:14 Travelling today. Am in London, UK. Joining soon. 19:03:20 agenda + Roll call 19:03:24 Norm has joined #tagmem 19:03:31 +Stuart 19:03:37 agenda -1 19:04:51 Norm has joined #tagmem 19:05:28 zakim, who is here? 19:05:28 On the phone I see Norm, Roy, DanC, Stuart 19:05:29 On IRC I see Norm, RRSAgent, paulc, Stuart, Zakim, DanC 19:06:17 Is anyone else due to join the call? 19:06:46 We're not sure, paulc. TimBL maybe. 19:07:29 Scribe: DanC 19:07:33 Scribe next week: NormW 19:07:40 Regrets: TimBL 19:07:48 Regrets: ChrisL 19:07:51 Still figuring out what 30 digits I am going to dial to join in. 19:09:03 Monthly Summary draft at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Sep/0015.html 19:10:32 re 19July, norm has a copy of a draft from CL; NW will send to www-tag as is 19:11:01 + +1.949.679.aaaa 19:11:12 -Roy 19:11:20 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/07/12-tag-summary.html is OK by me 19:11:29 RESOLVED to accept. 19:12:18 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004/07/26-tag-summary.html ok by ME 19:12:22 +Liam 19:12:22 RESOLVED to accept. 19:12:39 Zakim, Liam is temporarily PaulC 19:12:39 +PaulC; got it 19:13:10 PaulC: I expect to get minutes 9-11 August f2f done this week. 19:13:13 Roy has joined #tagmem 19:13:35 Had to use an operator. Sorry for the delay. 19:13:36 RESOLVED to accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Aug/0030.html as a true record of 16 Aug telcon 19:13:54 http://www.w3.org/2004/08/30-tagmem-irc ok by me. and PaulC 19:14:01 RESOLVED to accept http://www.w3.org/2004/08/30-tagmem-irc as a true record. 19:14:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Sep/0015.html 19:14:19 ^draft monthly summary 19:14:54 RESOLVED: monthly summary OK; PaulC to send tomorrow unless he finds reason not ot 19:15:03 s/ot/to/ 19:15:14 /me paul, can you adjust microphone -- bit of darth vader sound here 19:15:22 -- Accept this agenda 19:16:22 DanC: let's do last call comments before 2.1 19:16:26 SKW: OK 19:16:32 I am using a handset so I not sure what to do. 19:16:35 -- Next meeting: 20 September 19:17:15 NW: I'm at risk. oops; I guess that applies to scribe duties. RoyF: I can be back-up scribe. 19:17:42 -- Basel meeting update 19:18:03 SKW reviews... "Meeting Objectives: 1. Consider and respond to all LC#2 comments." others? 19:18:23 PaulC: I recall that ftf as a target for extensibility stuff. 19:18:28 NDW: oh yeah... 19:19:09 DanC: is Stuarts interaction with QA relevant to these plans? 19:19:28 I just discovered I have a speaker phone. No idea how it will work. 19:20:24 SKW: I haven't heard back since my 3Sep message. 19:20:36 ... but yes, a telcon with QA before our ftf would be good. 19:21:07 DanC: I hope LC2 doesn't take anywhere near most of the scheduled 3 days. 19:21:25 -- Boston F2F December 19:21:36 SKW: see admin mail re dietary needs 19:21:41 BTW I have purchased my ticket for the Boston F2F. Current seat sale was too good to let go. 19:22:03 (skipping 1.2 TAG Vacancies due to timbl not being present) 19:22:12 No news on charter. 19:22:33 --- 2.2 Review of 2nd Last Call Document 19:22:46 LC2 tracking http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004lc/lc-status-report.html 19:24:22 ACTION PaulC: close "# DIWG Review of Last Call WD Architecture of the World Wide Web" 19:24:34 NDW: I just closed "minor error in webarch section 2.2.2" 19:25:31 DanC offers to close 2nd "# Comments on Working Draft 5 July 2004 - URI Overloading" as a dup. 19:26:20 SKW: patrickS seems willing to accept renaming "information resource" as sufficient 19:26:55 ACTION SKW: draft proposal to address ""information resource" (currently #9) 19:27:50 SKW: "Request for Review of TAG AWWW 2nd LC Draft." is a request to PatH. DanC: I gather he intends to do it. 19:28:08 --- # Comments on Working Draft 5 July 2004 - URI Overloading 19:28:08 * 2004-08-28T20:37:38Z from lucyweber 19:31:43 ACTION DanC: respond ala "we didn't say assing and didn't mean it. does that clarify?" 19:32:16 --- # Definition of agent in the Web Architecture 19:32:16 * 2004-08-30T07:47:16Z from a.p.meyer 19:32:54 RoyF: commentor assumes we're using traditional-AI:agent 19:34:12 SKW: we don't have "agent" in our glossary. PC: but we use it unqualified, for example [missed] 19:34:58 PC: I think the explanation in [which section?] is sufficiently clear 19:35:27 "1. Introduction" 19:36:13 ACTION PaulC: explain to a.p.meyer that we didn't mean any more than we said. 19:36:26 (or something like that; should the action read differently?) 19:37:23 DanC: any suggested text beside the one from sandro? SKW: perhaps HT's "web proper names", but that might be different 19:37:31 RoyF: PatrickS made a suggestion 19:38:16 --- # Comments on Web Arch WD - 2004-07-05 19:38:16 * 2004-09-02T23:20:50Z from karl 19:38:23 DanC: many comments in one msg. :( 19:39:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0048.html 19:41:20 KD-001: editorial 19:42:09 NDW: yes, I'll deal with KD-001 as editorial. 19:42:12 ... and let Karl know 19:42:29 ACTION NDW: deal with KD-001 as editorial and let Karl know 19:42:32 KD 002: why wouldn't the web work with 2 XHTMLs 19:42:36 ? 19:43:13 ACTION NDW: seek clarification on KD 002 19:43:52 This version: 19:43:52 http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/NOTE-chips-20030128/ 19:43:52 Latest version: 19:43:52 http://www.w3.org/TR/chips 19:44:03 KD 003 19:45:16 NDW I'm OK to cite "Common HTTP Implementation Problems" http://www.w3.org/TR/chips 19:46:19 RoyF: doesn't seem that the HTTP WG mailing list was notified of CHIPS 19:46:54 DanC: is the HTTP WG still chartered? RoyF: no, but the list is still there for maintenance and issues like those discussed in CHIPS 19:47:54 PaulC: is http://www.w3.org/TR/chips/#gl2 the most relevant? 19:49:43 ACTION NDW: to cite "Common HTTP Implementation Problems" http://www.w3.org/TR/chips per KD 003 19:51:18 KD 004 19:51:30 -- KD 004 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0048.html 19:52:37 DanC: looks editorial to me; doesn't seem critical to fix. 19:53:08 ACTION NDW: seek clarification on KD 004 19:53:53 -- KD 005 URI Ownership 19:54:39 ack danc 19:54:47 DanC: the gandi.net contract has me owning dm93.org, not renting 19:56:26 SKW: I made a comment that might be relevant to KD 005 19:57:40 DanC: we've got several actions in reply to Dubost; I'm OK to leave KD006 etc. for another time 19:58:13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0049.html 19:58:14 -- # non-authoritative syntaxes for fragment identifiers 19:58:14 * 2004-09-03T03:31:30Z from myriam.amielh 19:59:15 RoyF: seems like a question on the URI spec; I'm OK to take it 19:59:34 ACTION RoyF: respond to "non-authoritative syntaxes for fragment identifiers" comment 20:00:23 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0052.html 20:00:24 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0052.html 20:00:33 -- # Should TR/webarch be TR/webarch10? 20:00:33 * 2004-09-03T15:56:32Z from ndw 20:01:33 [... missed some...] 20:02:01 I would say no because I don't expect anyone to be dependent on v1 versus v++ 20:02:01 RoyF: I don't expect this to be versioned in a way that v1 vs others matters to people, so I prefer to stay with "webarch" as our shortname 20:02:21 ACTION NDW: respond to "Should TR/webarch be TR/webarch10?" comment 20:02:43 [Dan's version of what I said is better] 20:02:45 -- # new text for Information Resource (section 3.1) 20:02:45 * 2004-09-08T19:56:48Z from sandro 20:02:54 note SKW's action above 20:03:10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0057.html 20:03:25 DanC: quick straw poll? any appeal to text from sandro? RoyF: I don't like it. 20:03:34 NDW: nor I 20:04:25 --- # AWWW, 20040816 release, sections 1 and 2 20:04:25 * 2004-09-09T11:45:10Z from gk 20:05:22 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0059.html 20:05:34 DanC: quite some meat there... hmm... 20:05:46 DanC: he suggests we've diluted our message; is asking us to SPEAK UP 20:06:24 ACTION DanC: propose some response to " AWWW, 20040816 release, sections 1 and 2" comment 20:06:35 for DanC: tie this comment into 9 (information resource) 20:06:50 (by the way, I'm going to try to arrange for these actions to show up in the http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2004lc/lc-status-report.html page) 20:07:41 (what's the best practice on pluralizing URI?") 20:12:27 DanC: the sentence "One way ..." is sorta important to me. 20:13:08 ... and no, the "data URI scheme" stuff doesn't appeal to me. 20:13:53 NDW: I'm inclined to include it 20:13:54 Darth: Sorry. 20:14:32 ACTION NDW: integrate text on uri ownership from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0061.html , salting to taste 20:15:11 back to... 20:15:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0048.html 20:15:13 -- KD 005 20:16:04 SKW: the text proposed in 0061 obsoletes the sentence he's commenting on 20:17:15 ACTION NDW: after integrating above comments on URI ownership section, ask KD if it satisfies KD 005 20:20:50 --- on issue 35 20:20:53 http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722/mod-meta.html#s_metamodule 20:21:18 deja vu 20:21:32 RDF Syntaxes: Everybody Wants One 20:21:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/ 20:22:10 # meeting record: 2004-09-07 RDF-in-XHTML Task Force Ralph R. Swick (Tuesday, 7 September) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2004Sep/0013.html 20:22:59 QNames in content. Sigh. 20:23:23 possible tag finding on 35: grddl rationale http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/specbg.html 20:23:30 and slides http://www.w3.org/2003/g/talk/all.htm 20:24:48 20.4 looks really odd. meta inside link. 20:26:11 PC: There's a RELAX NG schema but no XML Schema. 20:26:36 PC: We suppose they'll generate an XML Schema from the RELAX NG 20:27:24 It looks like this is just codifying the existing meta and link elements, except that they extended link and meta to be containers? Aside from the error of using qnames in attribute content, I don't see a problem. [That is, aside from the general problem the rationale for XHTML2 makes no sense to me.] 20:27:49 extended... yes. 20:31:06 ADJOURN. 20:31:15 RRSAgent, bye 20:31:15 I see 13 open action items: 20:31:15 ACTION: PaulC to close "# DIWG Review of Last Call WD Architecture of the World Wide Web" [1] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-24-22 20:31:15 ACTION: SKW to draft proposal to address ""information resource" (currently #9) [2] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-26-55 20:31:15 ACTION: DanC to respond ala "we didn't say assing and didn't mean it. does that clarify?" [3] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-31-43 20:31:15 ACTION: PaulC to explain to a.p.meyer that we didn't mean any more than we said. [4] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-36-13 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to deal with KD-001 as editorial and let Karl know [5] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-42-29 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to seek clarification on KD 002 [6] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-43-13 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to to cite "Common HTTP Implementation Problems" http://www.w3.org/TR/chips per KD 003 [7] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-49-43 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to seek clarification on KD 004 [8] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-53-08 20:31:15 ACTION: RoyF to respond to "non-authoritative syntaxes for fragment identifiers" comment [9] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T19-59-34 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to respond to "Should TR/webarch be TR/webarch10?" comment [10] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T20-02-21 20:31:15 ACTION: DanC to propose some response to " AWWW, 20040816 release, sections 1 and 2" comment [11] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T20-06-24 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to integrate text on uri ownership from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webarch-comments/2004JulSep/0061.html , salting to taste [12] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T20-14-32 20:31:15 ACTION: NDW to after integrating above comments on URI ownership section, ask KD if it satisfies KD 005 [13] 20:31:15 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/13-tagmem-irc#T20-17-15 20:31:47 -DanC