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14:28:57 <AndyS> As the doc is now, the syntax works (I hope!)
14:29:06 <AndyS> That includes nesting
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14:29:26 <DanC> the syntax works iff the WG says the syntax works. And WG members seem to be saying otherwise.
14:29:27 <AndyS> If we want to change it all later then fine but not piece meal and original BRQL does not work
14:29:29 <Zakim> +??P21
14:29:53 <DanC> why not piece meal?
14:29:57 <Zakim> +??P22
14:30:11 <Zakim> + +61.7.372.0.aaaa
14:30:16 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:30:17 <AndyS> The Q at the moment is constrainst - separate or with graph pattern.
14:30:32 <DanC> that's one Q. I see others.
14:30:34 <kendall> AndyS: is there an example of each option somewhere I can look at?
14:30:48 <Zakim> +DanC
14:30:48 <JanneS> Zakim, +??P21 is JanneSSS
14:30:48 <Zakim> sorry, JanneS, I do not recognize a party named '+??P21'
14:30:52 <kendall> (each option: separate constraints or constraints witih graph patterns)
14:31:03 <JanneS> Zakim, ??P21 is JanneS
14:31:03 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:31:14 <AndyS> The doc has one nested example in the doc.  {} style
14:31:30 <AlbertoR> zakim, agenda?
14:31:30 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
14:31:31 <Zakim> 1. Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0372.html [from DanC]
14:31:34 <Zakim> 2. ftf logistics [from DanC]
14:31:35 <Zakim> 3. starting another BRQL spec walkthru http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ [from DanC]
14:31:37 <Zakim> 4. Use Cases & Requirements publication [from DanC]
14:31:38 <Zakim> 5. ftf agenda [from DanC]
14:31:39 <Zakim> 6. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
14:31:48 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 1
14:31:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0372.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:32:10 <DanC> roll from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/#who
14:32:27 <rob> rob has joined #dawg
14:32:34 <Zakim> +RobS
14:32:40 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:32:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, Yoshio, AndyS, [ASemantics], JanneS, ??P22, +61.7.372.0.aaaa, Kendall_Clark, DanC, RobS
14:33:44 <Zakim> +JosD
14:36:49 <AlbertoR> DanC polling 3rdf2f attendance http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/DAWGf2f3/results
14:37:25 <HiroyukiS> HiroyukiS is s
14:37:47 <DanC> no answer re ftf from Enrico, BryanT, Baget, Farrukh Najmi, Pat Hayes
14:37:48 <AlbertoR> HiroyukiS not attending f2f
14:37:57 <DanC> no answer re ftf from Enrico, BryanT, Baget, Farrukh Najmi, Pat Hayes, Hendler
14:38:04 <HiroyukiS> * HiroyukiS is also one of the unidentified people 
14:38:50 <AlbertoR> previous meeting records http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0371.html approved as amended
14:39:31 <Yoshio> * water?
14:39:32 <AlbertoR> next telecon 2004-09-07 scriber SimonR
14:40:03 <AlbertoR> 5 actions were continued
14:40:12 <AlbertoR> as reported into agenda
14:41:07 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:41:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ftf logistics" taken up [from DanC]
14:41:09 <AlbertoR> today telecon will last 60 minutes (till 15:30 UTC)
14:41:10 <Yoshio> *till I drop : )
14:41:35 <DanC> DanC interested in Wed evening thingy.
14:41:46 <kendall> +q to ask about UC&R item on agenda
14:41:55 <rob> there's a heavy breather again
14:41:57 <kendall> q+ to ask about UC&R item on agenda
14:42:00 <AlbertoR> AndyS: about 3rd f2f - the possibility to have RDFIG "get together" wednesday night 15 Sept before meeting
14:42:35 <kendall> +1
14:42:46 <DanC> ack kendall
14:42:46 <Zakim> kendall, you wanted to ask about UC&R item on agenda
14:43:38 <AlbertoR> KendalK proposing to add UC&R item on agenda for f2f
14:43:44 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:43:44 <Zakim> agendum 3. "starting another BRQL spec walkthru http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/" taken up [from DanC]
14:43:53 <DanC> Zakim, remind us in 20 minutes to move on or something
14:43:53 <Zakim> ok, DanC
14:44:41 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:44:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, Yoshio, AndyS, [ASemantics], JanneS, ??P22, +61.7.372.0.aaaa, Kendall_Clark, DanC, RobS, JosD
14:44:55 <KevinW> KevinW has joined #dawg
14:45:17 <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is SimonR
14:45:17 <Zakim> +SimonR; got it
14:45:21 <DanC> Zakim, ??P22 is HiroyukiS
14:45:21 <Zakim> +HiroyukiS; got it
14:45:26 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:45:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, Yoshio, AndyS, [ASemantics], JanneS, HiroyukiS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, DanC, RobS, JosD
14:45:58 <AlbertoR> JosDR not on IRC (but telecon)
14:46:13 <DanC> q+ to ask about 1.4
14:46:29 <DanC> q+ danc2 to ask about 2.3
14:46:51 <AlbertoR> poll about BRQL issues "owners"
14:47:03 <DanC> queue=
14:47:15 <rob> q+ to talk about remote access protocol
14:47:26 <DanC> q+ to ask about "Bristol" in BRQL... why abstract different from title?
14:47:34 <DanC> which part of the doc is that, rob?
14:48:16 <DanC> q+ to suggest dropping "Document outline"
14:48:28 <DanC> ack rob
14:48:28 <Zakim> rob, you wanted to talk about remote access protocol
14:48:38 <SimonR> q+ possible error in definition of triple pattern
14:48:59 <SimonR> q+ to possible error in definition of triple pattern
14:49:09 <AlbertoR> actually - discussion started about BRQL document itself
14:50:43 <AlbertoR> RobS: asked about rephrasing "A remote protocol document" and not "the"
14:51:01 <DanC> ack danc
14:51:01 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask about "Bristol" in BRQL... why abstract different from title? and to suggest dropping "Document outline"
14:51:26 <rob> q+ to dislike most of section 5
14:51:31 <JanneS> s/PRFEIX/PREFIX in 2.1
14:52:52 <AlbertoR> discussion is now switched about the DAWG query language name "BRQL" and about "Bristol" 
14:54:09 <DanC> ack simon
14:54:09 <Zakim> SimonR, you wanted to possible error in definition of triple pattern
14:54:29 <AlbertoR> DanC suggests to shorten Document Outline - "this document describes an RDF query language..."
14:56:02 <kendall> be nice to have an xslt to pull out the "formalism bits"
14:56:11 <AlbertoR> SimonR: pointed out an error in the definition of triple pattern
14:56:33 <SimonR> 2.2
14:56:58 <SimonR> Specifically, a ground triple as defined isn't always an RDF triple as claimed.
14:57:02 <AlbertoR> SimonR: as written in section 2.2 of BRQL document
14:57:09 <DanC> ack rob
14:57:09 <Zakim> rob, you wanted to dislike most of section 5
14:57:21 <DanC> q+ to suggest dropping "document outline"
14:57:58 <AlbertoR> RobS: asking about Section 5 phrasing
15:01:02 <rob> 1 better...
15:01:17 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin, Yoshio, AndyS, [ASemantics], JanneS, HiroyukiS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, DanC, RobS, JosD
15:01:21 <AlbertoR> AndyS said that Section 5 migth be shorten - and refer/talk about FROM and/or SOURCE clause
15:02:55 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:03:08 <rob> s/uri/uriref/ in many places in the doc
15:03:39 <Zakim> +Yoshio
15:03:46 <AlbertoR> Discussion about phrasing of Section 2
15:03:53 <Zakim> DanC, you asked to be reminded at this time to move on or something
15:04:00 <AlbertoR> "Making Simple Queries"
15:05:41 <Yoshio> * I perfer those with examples in general, but maybe they should be presented separately 
15:06:35 <AlbertoR> Yoshio et al. noted that the two sections might be part of two distinct cases
15:06:48 <AndyS> Rob: ack: uri vs uriref : I gather RFC 2396 update will change URI to include #ref [:-( for us]
15:07:00 <DanC> ack danc
15:07:00 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to suggest dropping "document outline"
15:07:03 <kendall> i like the merge idea, too
15:08:43 <JanneS> AndyS, reference [5] link doesn't work
15:09:20 <Yoshio> Is the ordering critical in function?
15:09:36 <AlbertoR> discussion about PREFIX position - at the beginning, at the end or both
15:09:54 <Yoshio> or just as a convention?
15:10:10 <AlbertoR> likes both - just prefer the old/original RDQL syntax vs. N3/lisp new one
15:10:16 <AndyS> Parsing issue for one-pass parsing
15:10:39 <SimonR> I'd prefer there being a syntax-enforced "right" answer rather than convention, if possible.
15:10:39 <Yoshio> what has become of "USING " in expressing prefixes
15:11:20 <AlbertoR> KendalK: volunteerd to "own" the PREFIX issue
15:11:34 <Yoshio> I prefer SELECT..., WHERE..., USING, but it's just my preference
15:11:35 <kendall> KendallC
15:11:51 <AlbertoR> s/KendalK/KendalC/
15:11:54 <DanC> ACTION kendallc: discuss PREFIX options and propose solution in email
15:12:01 <AndyS> For the record: DanC owes Kendall a beer
15:12:54 <Yoshio> * Kendall with 2 l's , Alberto :)
15:15:55 <AlbertoR> discussion continued about kinda freezing the BRQL document before the 3rd f2f for reading
15:16:48 <AlbertoR> during next telecon a decision will be made about freezing BRQL document before 14/15 Sept
15:18:24 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:18:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Use Cases & Requirements publication" taken up [from DanC]
15:18:40 <DanC> UC&R updated http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0396.html
15:19:37 <AlbertoR> KendallC: U&C was updated 
15:20:34 <AlbertoR> various misc changes as reported into email to WG
15:21:06 <rob> rob remains against 4.2
15:21:17 <AlbertoR> 4.2 Aggregation Graphs
15:21:37 <AlbertoR> still pending status
15:23:27 <AlbertoR> discussion is about 4.2 vs. 4.5 ("Querying multiple Sources")
15:24:54 <AlbertoR> me emailed about FROM vs. SOURCE usage in BRQL and how both approces might be needed - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0327.html
15:29:09 <AlbertoR> SimonR and RobS further discussed about 4.5 and if the "aggregated"/multiple sources issue is out of the charter
15:30:37 <AlbertoR> meetign extended another 10 mins or so 
15:32:06 <AlbertoR> DanC: is the current U&C editor working document good/new enough for publication?
15:33:09 <AlbertoR> KendallC: proposing to publish - and seconded
15:33:25 <JanneS> I'm ok for publishing this version - I need to run now for babysitting.
15:33:41 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:34:36 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:34:36 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ftf agenda" taken up [from DanC]
15:35:03 <DanC> it's due Thursday.
15:35:07 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:35:07 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, DanC
15:35:58 <DanC> ACTION: JimH, to work with Bijan to do some sort of UDDI/Web services use  case.
15:35:59 <AlbertoR> ACTION agendum5: CONTINUED
15:36:05 <DanC> ACTION: DaveB to repropose source in both results and restrictions.
15:36:41 <DanC> ADJOURN.
15:36:46 <Zakim> -RobS
15:36:52 <DanC> alberto, anything you need to produce a record in email in the next day or so?
15:36:52 <Zakim> -JosD
15:36:53 <AlbertoR> ACTION AndyS to (try to) compose a test case on inferred triples - DONE - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0330.html
15:36:56 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:37:00 <Zakim> -Kevin
15:37:08 <Yoshio> Ciao
15:37:09 <Zakim> -[ASemantics]
15:37:10 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:37:12 <Zakim> -HiroyukiS
15:37:16 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:37:22 <Yoshio> Yoshio has left #dawg
15:37:24 <AlbertoR> DanC - I will draft the minutes and send to the list - 
15:37:32 <DanC> great.
15:39:02 <AlbertoR> AlbertoR has left #dawg
15:40:18 <Zakim> -DanC
15:42:37 <Zakim> -SimonR
15:43:13 <SimonR> (I'm still on IRC for at least a while.)
15:43:49 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:43:50 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:43:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Kevin, Yoshio, AndyS, [ASemantics], +61.7.372.0.aaaa, Kendall_Clark, DanC, JanneS, RobS, JosD, SimonR, HiroyukiS
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