14:02:59 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 14:03:02 Becky has joined #wai-wcag 14:03:06 rrsagent, make logs world 14:03:35 donaldfevans has joined #wai-wcag 14:03:41 nabe has joined #wai-wcag 14:03:53 +Alex_Lee 14:04:10 +Paul_Bohman 14:04:17 +??P3 14:04:44 zakim, ??P3 is Takayuki_Watanabe 14:04:44 +Takayuki_Watanabe; got it 14:04:58 zakim, who's on the phone? 14:04:58 On the phone I see [Microsoft], Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Lee, Paul_Bohman, Takayuki_Watanabe 14:05:11 zakim, [Microsoft] is temporarily Jenae_Andershonis 14:05:11 +Jenae_Andershonis; got it 14:05:22 zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe 14:05:22 ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe 14:05:44 +Sailesh_Panchang 14:07:07 ben has joined #wai-wcag 14:07:18 +??P20 14:07:34 +Wendy 14:07:38 zakim, ??P20 is Ben Caldwell 14:07:38 I don't understand '??P20 is Ben Caldwell', Michael 14:07:46 zakim, ??P20 is Ben_Caldwell 14:07:46 +Ben_Caldwell; got it 14:10:15 Topic: Test Files 14:10:42 Jenae's example of test file: http://chris.atrc.utoronto.ca/H_1_1_001.htm 14:11:05 UAAG test suite: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/ 14:11:24 WCAG proposed test suite: http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/WCAG2_0_Tests1.html 14:12:59 1) Design XML format for test case metadata 14:13:21 2) Review existing test cases 14:13:47 3) Create a format for display of the test cases 14:14:15 4) Break out guidelines and assign people to adapt/create test cases for each guidelines 14:15:37 re: 1 xml format 14:16:38 need to coordinate XML format with Colin and Matt 14:17:17 chris has a format, uaag has one, other w3c groups 14:19:10 action: Chris work on proposed XML format for test cases 14:20:42 action: Chris coordinate discussion of test cases with other groups, involving John Gunderson (UA), Tim Boland (AU), Colin Kotoles (UA), Matt May (UA and AU), Jenae Andershonis (WCAG) 14:23:12 action: Michael, Don coordinate with Chris on test file schema 14:23:57 action: Jenae coordinate with QA WG about our test files work 14:26:31 re: 2 review test cases 14:28:00 action: Tim send thoughts about what to look for in reviewing test cases 14:28:20 review test cases in next week's call 14:29:00 re: 3 format for test cases 14:29:11 Some work has started 14:29:19 May become clear as we review existing cases 14:31:54 Also discuss this in next week's call 14:32:22 re: 4 obtain test cases 14:32:33 Can use techniques as a guide 14:33:05 Some work has already gone into this 14:33:51 As we review test cases, can also collect 14:34:06 Need to make sure to add all extra metadata 14:34:11 zakim, mute me 14:34:12 Takayuki_Watanabe should now be muted 14:34:16 Someone needs to take responsibility for that 14:37:26 Need to be careful of IPR 14:37:51 "Editor" can manage process, take care of IPR claims of submitted test cases, vet test cases, etc. 14:40:02 Who the editor is may depend on results of coordination with other groups 14:40:18 i.e., they may have a process in place that's working well 14:43:40 Need to extend end-to-end mappings to map examples in 14:44:05 Also need to look at language specifications and make sure we're not missing techniques for elements with accessibility implications 14:45:12 zakim, who's on the call? 14:45:12 On the phone I see Jenae_Andershonis, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Lee, Paul_Bohman, Takayuki_Watanabe (muted), Sailesh_Panchang, 14:45:15 ... Ben_Caldwell, Wendy 14:47:20 Would be useful to have the people who did end-to-end analyses extend the ones they did, since they're familiar 14:47:59 action: Becky find out what test cases exist for Guideline 3 14:48:27 action: Jenae send outline of process to people working on test case mappings 14:51:43 action: Wendy take 1.2 14:51:50 action Jenae take 1.1, 1.3 14:52:37 action: Paul take 1.4 14:53:13 action: Sailesh 2.4 14:53:35 action 10 = Sailesh coordinate with David on 2.4 14:54:55 action 6 = Becky find out what test cases exist for Guideline 3.1 14:55:08 action: Tim take Guideline 3.2 15:03:07 action: Jenae check in with David on test case mapping 15:05:30 Topic: End to End review 15:05:34 brb 15:11:25 Review 3.1 15:11:25 -Tim_Boland 15:11:39 Language mapped twice 15:11:44 Emoticons mapped twice 15:11:53 Issue with "don't do" techniques 15:13:42 http://eramp.com/david/end_to_end/end2endGL3_1.html 15:14:03 James_Craig has joined #wai-wcag 15:20:48 action: Becky send issues from mapping process to list 15:32:42 donaldfevans has left #wai-wcag 15:32:59 -Don_Evans 15:39:26 -Becky_Gibson 15:39:27 -Sailesh_Panchang 15:39:28 -Alex_Lee 15:39:29 -Michael_Cooper 15:39:30 -Chris_Ridpath 15:39:31 -Ben_Caldwell 15:39:32 -Paul_Bohman 15:39:33 -Wendy 15:39:34 ChrisR has left #wai-wcag 15:39:34 -Jenae_Andershonis 15:39:35 -Takayuki_Watanabe 15:39:37 WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended 15:39:39 Attendees were Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Lee, Paul_Bohman, Takayuki_Watanabe, Jenae_Andershonis, Sailesh_Panchang, Wendy, 15:39:42 ... Ben_Caldwell 15:39:45 good bye. 15:39:50 divide time the next few weeks between end-to-ends (raising issues) and closing existing issues (from bugzilla, many of which are linked to from within the current draft) 15:43:34 rrsagent, bye 15:43:34 I see 13 open action items: 15:43:34 ACTION: Chris work on proposed XML format for test cases [1] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-19-10 15:43:34 ACTION: Chris coordinate discussion of test cases with other groups, involving John Gunderson (UA), Tim Boland (AU), Colin Kotoles (UA), Matt May (UA and AU), Jenae Andershonis (WCAG) [2] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-20-42 15:43:34 ACTION: Michael, Don coordinate with Chris on test file schema [3] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-23-12 15:43:34 ACTION: Jenae coordinate with QA WG about our test files work [4] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-23-57 15:43:34 ACTION: Tim send thoughts about what to look for in reviewing test cases [5] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-28-00 15:43:34 ACTION: Becky find out what test cases exist for Guideline 3.1 [6] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-47-59 15:43:34 ACTION: Jenae send outline of process to people working on test case mappings [7] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-48-27 15:43:34 ACTION: Wendy take 1.2 [8] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-51-43 15:43:34 ACTION: Paul take 1.4 [9] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-52-37 15:43:34 ACTION: Sailesh coordinate with David on 2.4 [10] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-53-13 15:43:34 ACTION: Tim take Guideline 3.2 [11] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-55-08 15:43:34 ACTION: Jenae check in with David on test case mapping [12] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T15-03-07 15:43:34 ACTION: Becky send issues from mapping process to list [13] 15:43:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T15-20-48