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14:27:07 <ericP> hi danc
14:27:11 <ericP> 'tsup?
14:27:44 <DanC> a WG telcon in 2min
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14:30:59 <DBscribe> Zakim, this is dawg
14:30:59 <Zakim> ok, DBscribe; that matches SW_DAWG()10:30AM
14:31:11 <DBscribe> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:31:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see HowardK, Yoshio, ??P24, ??P25, +44.207.395.aaaa, Kevin
14:31:20 <Zakim> +??P26
14:31:21 <thompsonbry> thompsonbry has joined #dawg
14:31:23 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:31:24 <DBscribe> Zakim, ??P24 is DaveB
14:31:24 <Zakim> +DaveB; got it
14:31:27 <AndyS> zakim, ??p26 is AndyS
14:31:27 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:31:41 <Zakim> +David_Wood|Tom_Adams
14:31:43 <kendall> zakim,  mute me
14:31:43 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:32:04 <DBscribe> Zakim, ??P25 is JanneS
14:32:04 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:32:04 <TomAdams> Zakim, David_Wood|Tom_Adams is Tom_Adams
14:32:05 <Zakim> sorry, TomAdams, I do not recognize a party named 'David_Wood|Tom_Adams'
14:32:31 <DBscribe> agenda for today http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0170.html
14:32:35 <TomAdams> zakim, mute me
14:32:35 <Zakim> sorry, TomAdams, I do not see a party named 'TomAdams'
14:32:37 <Zakim> +BryanT
14:32:39 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 1
14:32:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0170.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:32:53 <Zakim> +??P30
14:32:54 <DBscribe> Zakim, aaaa is HowardK
14:32:54 <Zakim> +HowardK; got it
14:33:12 <rob> rob has joined #dawg
14:33:35 <Zakim> +DanC
14:33:40 <TomAdams> Zakim, David_Wood\|Tom_Adams is Tom_Adams
14:33:40 <Zakim> sorry, TomAdams, I do not recognize a party named 'David_Wood\|Tom_Adams'
14:34:02 <SimonR> SimonR
14:34:02 <TomAdams> Zakim, David_WoodTom_Adams is Tom_Adams
14:34:02 <Zakim> +Tom_Adams; got it
14:34:09 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:34:09 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:34:41 <Zakim> +EricP
14:34:56 <Zakim> +RobS
14:35:20 <SimonR> Zakim, mute me
14:35:20 <Zakim> sorry, SimonR, I do not see a party named 'SimonR'
14:35:57 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:35:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see HowardK, Yoshio, DaveB, JanneS, AndyS, Kendall_Clark, Tom_Adams, BryanT, HiroyukiS_SimonR, DanC, EricP, RobS, HowardK.a, Kevin
14:36:23 <rob> Who are the two howards?
14:36:38 <DBscribe> one is Hiroyuki
14:36:49 <DBscribe> regrets SteveH, AlbertoR
14:37:07 <SimonR> I have a wretched cough at the moment, so it'd be best if I could be muted.  :/
14:37:49 <SimonR> Yay!  I'm me.  :)  And quiet.
14:37:56 <kendall> heh
14:38:12 <DBscribe> re minutes of 2004-07-20
14:38:13 <DanC> ammendment andys http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0159.html
14:38:29 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:38:29 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:38:40 <DanC> ammendment danc http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0169.html
14:39:07 <DBscribe> minutes approved with 2 amendments above
14:39:12 <DBscribe> schedule
14:39:26 <DBscribe> donm 2004-08-02
14:39:28 <DBscribe> scribe EricP
14:39:55 <DBscribe> correction, donm 2004-08-03 tuesday
14:40:00 <DBscribe> danc to chair
14:40:05 <DBscribe> ericp to scribe
14:40:20 <DBscribe> EricP action tech plenary schedule item continued
14:40:27 <DanC> agenda + spec development
14:40:44 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:40:44 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:40:49 <kendall> +1
14:40:55 <DanC> agenda + union query
14:41:08 <DanC> agenda + federation use case
14:41:33 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:41:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Test development/maintenance" taken up [from DanC]
14:41:38 <JosD> JosD has joined #dawg
14:42:08 <Zakim> +JosD
14:43:45 <DanC> ACTION Jos: discuss test suite documentation and maintenance with Steve, EricP, AndyS, ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0165.html
14:44:01 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:44:01 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:44:11 <JosD> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/att-0162/asdf
14:44:35 <DBscribe> DaveB gave outline of work on test cases docs, supprorting vocabs
14:44:41 <DBscribe> still under discussion and working on docs.
14:44:51 <DBscribe> AndyS has something that may appear soon
14:45:24 <DBscribe> work to continue, reports to email list
14:45:35 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:45:35 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:45:43 <AndyS> We (EricP, SteveH, DaveB and anyone interested) should meet again on IRC
14:45:59 <DBscribe> DanC offered to outline how making, recording tests happen
14:46:06 <kendall> hmm, that's not been my experience :>
14:46:06 <DBscribe> and did so
14:46:43 <DBscribe> wg discusses issues, hopefully with a test
14:47:06 <DBscribe> test case people put it into test case pile, and if/when wg makes a decision, gets recorded as approved in the suite
14:47:32 <DBscribe> RobS(?): tests for boundary conditions?
14:47:41 <rob> not me
14:47:44 <DBscribe> DanC: yes, if people wrote it
14:47:46 <AndyS> (or we can wait until current actions make progress (e.g. examples checked in using new vocabs))
14:47:46 <ericP> (Bryan T)
14:47:57 <DBscribe> Q from BryanT
14:48:03 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:48:03 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Web Services Directory use cases" taken up [from DanC]
14:48:42 <DanC> ACTION: RobS write email to Farrukh about traversing a taxonomy. some progress. continues.
14:48:58 <DBscribe> in progress
14:49:34 <DBscribe> re JimH action on uddi/WS
14:49:35 <DanC> . ACTION: JimH, to work with Bijan to do some sort of UDDI/Web services use case
14:50:25 <DBscribe> continued
14:50:30 <DanC> ACTION: JimH, to work with Bijan to do some sort of UDDI/Web services use case. continues.
14:51:22 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 8
14:51:22 <Zakim> agendum 8. "spec development" taken up [from DanC]
14:51:24 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 9
14:51:24 <Zakim> agendum 9. "union query" taken up [from DanC]
14:51:28 <SimonR> zakim, unmute me
14:51:28 <Zakim> sorry, SimonR, I do not see a party named 'SimonR'
14:51:49 <SimonR> (Does 61# unmute me?)
14:51:58 <DanC> Zakim, unmute simon
14:51:58 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not see a party named 'simon'
14:52:01 <kendall> 60#
14:52:04 <DanC> 60# to unmute
14:52:10 <DanC> on union query http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0188.html
14:52:54 <DBscribe> SimonR discusses above
14:53:02 <DBscribe> rdf semantics defines a graph merge
14:53:42 <kendall> 3 possible 'last minute adds': simon's rewrite of 4.5, federated use case, limited complexity req/obj
14:53:55 <DBscribe> scaling issues - merging large graphs
14:54:05 <DBscribe> and merging distributed graphs
14:54:41 <Yoshio> to actually merge or to pretend to do so is an implementation issue, I think
14:56:38 <DBscribe> proposed as an objective
14:57:07 <DBscribe> 2 things - aggregate & union query
14:57:26 <rob> My point was that simple forms of aggregate query can actually hurt the larger goals of the semantic web.
14:57:43 <rob> And thus a query language with this feature is worse than one without
14:57:50 <AndyS> +1 to Kendall - I don't understand why 4.5 (old) is replaces - I expected two DObjs to aid discussion
14:58:03 <ericP> +1 to less intuitive
14:58:10 <ericP> (SimonR's point)
14:59:47 <DBscribe> confirm we are discussing 4.5 aggregate query
14:59:54 <DBscribe> current status pending
15:01:00 <Yoshio> so we are not discussing union query now  
15:01:27 <DanC> yes, we are
15:02:26 <DBscribe> we should rename 4.5 to union query or have a subtitle or somenthng
15:03:12 <kendall> db: why on earth would we do that? simon's new wording hasn't gone into the document yet.
15:03:14 <DanC> 2/ 3/ 4
15:03:31 <Yoshio> Mmm, I don't follow
15:03:34 <DBscribe> yeah but aggregation & aggregate are hard to distinuish vocally
15:03:36 <SimonR> That's a clear lack of critical mass.  But I'll still declare victory.  ;)
15:04:05 <kendall> db: yes, that's a good point.
15:04:15 <kendall> but i'll respond to that by changing 4.2's title
15:04:17 <kendall> i think
15:04:20 <DBscribe> ok
15:06:23 <DBscribe> ACTION SimonR: continue discussing and promoting Union QUery for 4.5 UC
15:06:45 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 10
15:06:45 <Zakim> agendum 10. "federation use case" taken up [from DanC]
15:07:23 <DanC> federation use case http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0183.html
15:07:32 <DBscribe> KendallC inclined to include above
15:07:49 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:07:49 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:08:02 <Yoshio> Eric's federation, couldn't it be regarded as a way to acheive a union query?
15:09:09 <DBscribe> making the results, by more like scripting them 
15:09:31 <DanC> ack kendall
15:09:38 <ericP> Yoshio, I think it requires union query.
15:09:57 <Yoshio> requires? I think the other way
15:10:03 <rob> i think it motivates several things, but there are a lot of ways to do it
15:10:23 <rob> it motivates a "and then query cddb" feature, too
15:10:44 <Yoshio> do you mean "union query" by "it", rob?
15:10:48 <DBscribe> KendallC was intending to remove the query syntax when it goes in as a UC
15:10:56 <rob> it==this use case
15:10:59 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:10:59 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:11:03 <kendall> sorry, need to finish this phone  call
15:11:59 <DBscribe> ericp intended to motivate two thjings - 1) targetting the query to multiple sources, 2) the union of the graphs rather than the union of the results
15:13:21 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 4
15:13:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Toward updated Use Cases and Requirements publication" taken up [from DanC]
15:13:36 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:13:36 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:13:44 <DanC> DONE Kendall: remove 4.4 User-specifiable Serialization
15:13:57 <DanC> DONE KendallC: draft revision, toward updating our public WD, delivery
15:14:11 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases $Revision: 1.42 $ of $Date: 2004/07/27 18:58:58 $
15:15:04 <DanC> ACTION Simon+Kendall elaborate the rel. of rules and "construct" in the UC&R doc.
15:15:06 <DBscribe> CONTINUED RobS
15:15:12 <DanC> DONE: ACTION SimonR: offer a replacement for 4.5 focussed on union query.
15:15:13 <ericP> kendall, i can work with you on rewording the federation use case if you'd like.
15:15:22 <DanC> ACTION SimonR: offer a replacement for 4.5 focussed on union query. lots of progress; continues.
15:15:29 <kendall> ericp: i'll draft something and send it to you before putting into doc
15:15:30 <DanC> DONE: ACTION ericP: send federation use case motivating premises (in Algae)
15:15:45 <DanC> agenda + reply to chrisw
15:15:57 <ericP> kendall, i'm happy commenting on it as it's in the doc too. whatever.
15:16:05 <kendall> ericp: coolio
15:16:19 <JanneS> phone running out of juice soon...
15:17:07 <DBscribe> could I ask for 'removed' such as 4.4 to have a bit more info?  WG decided against it or was it withdrawn?  I assume i could dig in the minutes to find it
15:18:53 <kendall> dbscribe: i offered to remove it at the f2f
15:18:58 <TomAdams> I'm happy with that...
15:19:37 <DanC> PROPOSED: to publish UC&R ala 1.128 + edits drafted by kendal, reviewed by RobS, and OK'd by EricP
15:19:58 <kendall> HowardK also said he'd review
15:20:10 <kendall> thanks, howard
15:20:15 <DanC> PROPOSED: to publish UC&R ala 1.128 + edits drafted by kendal, reviewed by RobS and HowardK, and OK'd by EricP
15:20:26 <DanC> PROPOSED: to publish UC&R ala 1.128 + edits drafted by kendall, reviewed by RobS and HowardK, and OK'd by EricP
15:20:39 <TomAdams> I'm happy with that...
15:20:47 <SimonR> I'm in favor.
15:20:58 <DBscribe> so resolved - no abstain, no against
15:21:50 <DanC> Zakim, agenda?
15:21:50 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
15:21:51 <Zakim> 3. Web Services Directory use cases [from DanC]
15:21:52 <Zakim> 4. Toward updated Use Cases and Requirements publication [from DanC]
15:21:54 <Zakim> 5. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
15:21:56 <Zakim> 6. Issue: DESCRIBE [from DanC]
15:21:57 <Zakim> 7. XQuery integration requirements/objective [from DanC]
15:21:58 <Zakim> 8. spec development [from DanC]
15:21:59 <DanC> Zakim, close agendum 3
15:22:00 <Zakim> 9. union query [from DanC]
15:22:01 <Zakim> 10. federation use case [from DanC]
15:22:02 <Zakim> 11. reply to chrisw [from DanC]
15:22:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:22:05 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:06 <DanC> Zakim, close agendum 4
15:22:07 <Zakim> 4. Toward updated Use Cases and Requirements publication [from DanC]
15:22:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:22:11 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:11 <DanC> Zakim, close agendum 9
15:22:13 <Zakim> 5. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
15:22:15 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
15:22:15 <DanC> Zakim, close agendum 1
15:22:17 <DanC> Zakim, close agendum 10
15:22:17 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:19 <Zakim> 5. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
15:22:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:22:23 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:25 <Zakim> 5. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
15:22:27 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 11
15:22:27 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
15:22:29 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:31 <Zakim> 5. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
15:22:31 <kendall> zakim, STFU! :>
15:22:33 <Zakim> agendum 11. "reply to chrisw" taken up [from DanC]
15:22:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'STFU! :>', kendall
15:22:57 <DBscribe> (Also see regrets from Farrukh just arrived to list)
15:23:08 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:23:08 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:23:48 <DBscribe> continued action for TomA, reply to Chris Wilper
15:23:50 <DanC> ACTION: TomA draft a reply to Chris Wilper and send draft to WG mailing list. progress; continues.
15:25:21 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:25:21 <Zakim> agendum 5. "SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management" taken up [from DanC]
15:25:55 <DBscribe> tomA, also reply to Bjorn 
15:26:07 <DBscribe> correction, draft a reply to Bjorn, send to list
15:26:14 <DanC> Zakim, agendum?
15:26:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, DanC.
15:26:21 <DanC> Zakim, agenda?
15:26:21 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:26:22 <Zakim> 5. SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management [from DanC]
15:26:23 <Zakim> 6. Issue: DESCRIBE [from DanC]
15:26:24 <Zakim> 7. XQuery integration requirements/objective [from DanC]
15:26:25 <Zakim> 8. spec development [from DanC]
15:26:33 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:26:33 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:26:36 <TomAdams> s/Bjorn/Bjoern
15:27:17 <DBscribe> JosD action re log:includes DONE
15:27:39 <DBscribe> ACTION DanC: explain evolution of log:semantics/log:includes ... CONTINUED
15:27:45 <DBscribe> ACTION DaveB: re redland context CONTINUED
15:29:18 <DBscribe> ACTION DaveB: propose an way to address the SOURCE issue
15:29:49 <DBscribe> discussion of issues lists
15:30:13 <DBscribe> and resolutions can point to that discussion
15:30:42 <DBscribe> best if the decision connected up to the discussion and conclusions
15:31:04 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:31:05 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue: DESCRIBE" taken up [from DanC]
15:31:58 <ericP> some thoughs on provenance: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/attributions/
15:32:01 <DBscribe> AndyS: no wording changed proposed now
15:32:43 <DBscribe> consider AndyS's action done
15:34:33 <DBscribe> motivating tell me about
15:34:42 <DBscribe> - motorcycle parts UC
15:34:49 <DBscribe> RobS asks for more motivation
15:35:26 <DBscribe> TAP - EricP found coding against it difficult, given results are undefined
15:35:46 <DBscribe> ACTION RobS: evaluate the DESCRIBE feature
15:36:17 <ericP> does "if i can just comment..." mean "can i talk about this without getting an action?"
15:36:32 <DBscribe> SimonR (?) difficulty of returning a graph with blank nodes, something like describe is one way to handle it.  returning blank ndes is an issue
15:36:52 <DBscribe> AndyS: yes re blank nodes, but describe is something different
15:37:48 <DBscribe> issue for bnodes
15:38:09 <DanC> ACTION SimonR: raise "returning bnodes" issue
15:38:22 <DBscribe> AndyS, related with returning rdf collections and rdf containers
15:38:31 <DBscribe> .. collections tend to have bnodes all over them
15:39:00 <Yoshio> yes re: collections 
15:39:52 <DanC> NEW ISSUE: collections.
15:40:05 <DanC> ACTION AndyS: write a little about the collections issue
15:40:14 <DBscribe> ... collections returned from a query
15:40:40 <Yoshio> or how to make matches to elements in collections
15:40:51 <DBscribe> EricP offers to drop issues in rq23 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ and give anchors for references
15:41:07 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:41:07 <Zakim> agendum 7. "XQuery integration requirements/objective" taken up [from DanC]
15:41:35 <DanC> ACTION DanC: notify Semantic Web CG of risks around the "1.5 Relationship with XQuery" scope of our charter.
15:42:04 <DanC> ACTION SimonR: write a document discussing tradeoffs with adapting XQuery as an RDF query language for discussion thru the September meeting in Bristol.
15:44:42 <DanC> discussion of implementing the design that was discuss in Carlsbad... http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf2#xqfa
15:45:15 <kendall> zakim, mute m e
15:45:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute m e', kendall
15:45:17 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:45:17 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:45:21 <DanC> WG notes with interest http://jena.hpl.hp.com/~afs/RDF-XML.html
15:45:30 <Zakim> -BryanT
15:45:30 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:45:31 <Zakim> agendum 8. "spec development" taken up [from DanC]
15:47:48 <Yoshio> BTW, What's the telecon schedule in August? Just as usual?
15:48:11 <DBscribe> 10 aug DanC unavailable
15:48:14 <kendall> unavail in mid-august for vacation
15:48:20 <AndyS> Regrets for 17 August
15:48:28 <DBscribe> JosD regrets 10 Aug
15:48:29 <Yoshio> regrets from 13-23
15:48:32 <SimonR> Regrets for 10 August as well.
15:48:45 <HiroyukiS> regrets for 10
15:48:59 <DBscribe> possible regrets for me 10 Aug
15:49:02 <DBscribe> er, 17
15:49:13 <DanC> RESOLVED: to cancel 10 Aug telcon
15:49:25 <DanC> robs abstaining, ericp abstaining
15:50:19 <DanC> ADJOURN.
15:50:26 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:50:35 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:50:56 <DanC> DBscribe, anything else you need to draft a record in the next day or so?
15:51:05 <DBscribe> no
15:51:11 <DanC> very well. thanks.
15:51:45 <Zakim> -DaveB
15:54:40 <TomAdams> TomAdams has left #dawg
15:55:01 <Zakim> -HowardK.a
15:55:04 <Zakim> -HiroyukiS_SimonR
15:55:06 <Zakim> -DanC
15:55:11 <Zakim> -Tom_Adams
15:55:12 <HiroyukiS> bye
15:55:12 <Zakim> -JosD
15:55:17 <howardk> bye
15:55:19 <howardk> howardk has left #dawg
15:55:20 <Yoshio> adios
15:55:21 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:55:26 <Zakim> -Kevin
15:55:30 <KevinW> KevinW has left #DAWG
15:55:30 <Zakim> -HowardK
15:55:32 <Yoshio> Yoshio has left #dawg
15:55:34 <Zakim> -RobS
15:55:44 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:56:58 <DanC> p.s. regrets Farrukh Najmi
16:00:54 <ericP> added issues appendix: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#issues
16:04:13 <AndyS> +44 117 312 8181
16:04:43 <Zakim> -EricP
16:04:52 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
16:04:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS
16:04:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see rob, AndyS, kendall, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanC, ericP
16:05:01 <ericP> rrsagent, pointer?
16:05:01 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/07/27-dawg-irc#T16-05-01
16:05:04 <Zakim> -AndyS
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