IRC log of swbp on 2004-07-08

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Meeting: SWBPD WG
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0015.html
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[ALL] Agenda Jul8 telecon
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RalphS has changed the topic to: SWBPD agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0015.html
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Chair: Guus
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Regrets: Evan, Alan, Natasha, Jim, Benjamin, Mike, Tom
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SW_BPD()10:00AM has now started
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+[Sophia]
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+Ralph
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+??P4
13:59:59 [bwm]
Zakim, ??p4 is bwm
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+bwm; got it
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+[CWI]
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+??P7
14:01:04 [RalphS]
zakim, ??p7 is Alistair
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+Alistair; got it
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zakim, cwi is Guus
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+Guus; got it
14:01:18 [guus]
zakim, [CWI] is Guus
14:01:18 [Zakim]
sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '[CWI]'
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+[CWI]
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zakim, cwi is Jacco
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+Jacco; got it
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+??P10
14:03:14 [RalphS]
zakim, drop ??p10
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??P10 is being disconnected
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-??P10
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+David_Wood
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+??P17
14:05:34 [libby]
yes!!
14:05:47 [RalphS]
zakim, ??p17 is Libby
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+Libby; got it
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Libby
14:06:51 [RalphS]
[Libby has a broken headset, not willing to scribe]
14:06:53 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jacco
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[Jacco declines due to RSI]
14:07:14 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Alistair
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-Libby
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Scribe: Alistair
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+Natasha
14:09:14 [RalphS]
zakim, who's on the call?
14:09:14 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Fabien (muted), Ralph, bwm, Guus, Alistair, Jacco, David_Wood (muted), Natasha
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+DanBri
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+??P20
14:09:52 [RalphS]
zakim, Natasha is really Tom_Adams
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+Tom_Adams; got it
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zakim, ??p20 is Libby
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+Libby; got it
14:10:49 [RalphS]
Regrets+ JimH
14:11:14 [RalphS]
zakim, move to next agendum
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agendum 1. "Administrivia" taken up [from RalphS]
14:11:29 [aliman]
proposal to accept minutes of june 24 telecon
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ralph seconds
14:11:42 [aliman]
resolved
14:12:13 [RalphS]
RESOLVED to accep tthe minutes of the June 24 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0140.html
14:12:15 [aliman]
proposed next telecon july 22 ...
14:12:34 [danbri]
I think I can make next call
14:12:49 [bwm]
sorry I was muted
14:12:56 [jacco]
I think I can make next call
14:13:05 [aliman]
july 22 ok for next telecon
14:13:11 [libby]
think I can too - calendar slow
14:13:13 [RalphS]
[small risk for Ralph; we have a visitor at MIT that day]
14:14:00 [RalphS]
regrets for 22 July from Guus
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RESOLVED to meet 22 July 1800 UTC
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ACTION: Guus and Ralph to find a chair for 22 July
14:15:23 [aliman]
Guus> proposals for hosting next face 2 face meeting
14:15:32 [bwm]
Zakim, bwm is HP
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+HP; got it
14:15:38 [aliman]
ACTION: Guus to send ou t message about next face to face
14:15:40 [bwm]
Zakim, HP has bwm
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+bwm; got it
14:15:48 [bwm]
Zakim, HP has jeremy
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+jeremy; got it
14:15:55 [RalphS]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0025.html Another [F2f] meeting in '04 ? [Guus 2004-07-08]
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ACTION: Guus to propose dates for a F2F in 2004
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action-3
14:17:26 [jacco]
I might be at ISWC2004
14:17:36 [aliman]
Guus> discussing possibility of next F2F at ISWC ...
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maybe problem because not so many people attending ...
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busy schedule, also need to find a host ...
14:19:13 [Fabien]
ISWC site http://iswc2004.semanticweb.org/
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ACTION 2=Guus to send out message about next face to face, including possibility of holding it at ISWC
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move to next agendum
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agendum 2. "Action Item Review" taken up [from RalphS]
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ACTION: Ralph add Tom_Adams to list
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Tom Adams is tom@tucanatech.com
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ACTION ralph sort out Aldo's mail issues
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done
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* Zakim, HP also has brian
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* Zakim, HP also has brian.
14:22:35 [jjc]
Zakim, HP also has brian.
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+brian.; got it
14:23:08 [aliman]
ACTION: ralph CVS access for Brian, Aldo, Natasha, Tom
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completed for Brian
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continued for others
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ACTION Ralph copy
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0010/Semantic_Web_Best_Practices-_WordNet_Task_Force.html
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in WG directory
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done
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ACTION tom quick read of ClassesAsValues for dc:subject issue
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done
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ACTION brian review ClassesAsValues for publication
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done
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ACTION jeremy review n-ary relations
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done
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ACTION David review list of values
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done
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ACTION Ralph copy drafts into WG web space
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done
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ACTION tom send ssh2 public key to ralph
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ACTION: ralph to remind tom aldo and natasha to send public ssh2 key to ralph
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ACTION Aldo prepare summary of Wordnet proposal doc, and send to
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Christian after review by WG.
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completed
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ACTION: Guus to review aldo's wordnet proposal doc
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ACTION Guus invite at least 1 wordnet domain expert to a July1st
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done
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ACTION ralph to create a dir for the wordnet tf's ongoing work and
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give access to brian, ...
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done
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move to next agendum
14:28:41 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Request from DIWG" taken up [from RalphS]
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0003.html DIWG Requests Guidance on Ontologies for Units [Rhys Lewis 2004-07002]
14:29:34 [aliman]
Guus> discussion of issues relating to device independence ...
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need standard way sof referring to units ...
14:30:02 [aliman]
mails are linked from agenda ..
14:30:08 [RalphS]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0007.html RE: Issue for Device Independence Working Group: URIs for units and MIME types [Guus 2004-07-05]
14:30:23 [aliman]
question: should we consider this issue?
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should we take short term action on this issue?
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is there a standard set of units that can be pointed to?
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Brian> should be considered
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Ralph> topic comes up frequently
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Guus> few people look at this issue, draft a short note (but not full TF)
14:33:12 [aliman]
Brian> W3C is going to publish on this issue anyway, so we should be involved
14:33:19 [aliman]
Ralph> should be involved
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Guus> Mike's mail questions if its our job to put out real ontologies
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Guus> matter for the OEP task force to consider ..
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ACTION: Guus (1) is it the right type of approach? (2) alternative ontoligies for units?
14:38:31 [RalphS]
[also, the w3c irc convention is to use ':' for speaker attribution; e.g. "Guus: matter for the OEP task force to consider ..."]
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move to next agendum
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agendum 4. "Publications" taken up [from RalphS]
14:39:57 [aliman]
Guus> proposal to publish some docs as working drafts ...
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N-ary relations doc ...
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reviewed by Jeremy
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Jeremy> 3 issues on this doc ...
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blank nodes issue
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used amazon.com url, prefer e.g. books.example.com
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refs not in W3C house style
14:41:16 [danbri]
+1 re example.com
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some URLs in examples files get 404 ...
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Guus>
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Issue A [blank nodes] no real difference there
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JJC> where names have no significance, should use blank nodes ...
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?technical issue to resolved after publication
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s/?/Brian: /
14:43:54 [RalphS]
Ralph: agree with Brian -- can resolve the technical question about bnodes after first publication
14:44:10 [aliman]
Issue B [Remove ref to amazon.com]
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Guus> suggests requirement to editors to change this
14:45:44 [RalphS]
Ralph: willing to support requiring the change, though don't feel it's essential
14:46:37 [aliman]
Ralph> shouldn't make up names in somebody else's namespace
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(Issue C [some URLs get 404])
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Jeremy> Protege may have actually invented these URIs for the note authors ..
14:48:20 [danbri]
[cf http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2000Sep/0162.html from DanC, "Hey, You Kids, Get Off My Lawn!"]
14:48:59 [aliman]
Ralph> propose we proceed as is, editors make changes for next draft
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Issue B as hard requirement
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to be decided
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Guus> propose to publish N-ary relations draft as first working draft ...
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with request to editors to make change B for publication
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Ralph seconds
14:50:51 [jjc]
Note: [D] is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0020.html
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resolved by consensus
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Issue D was discussed but not required before publication
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resolved unanimously
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Guus> classes as values ...
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review from Brian ... any changes before publication?
14:52:42 [aliman]
Brian> some minor changes recommended, no show stoppers.
14:53:13 [aliman]
Ralph> issues list should be updated to reflect closed issues (e.g. dc:subject)
14:53:38 [aliman]
Guus> requirement to change to dc:subject
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Guus> PROPOSAL to publish as first working draft, with requirement to update the issues list
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(i.e. update the issues list)
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Brian seconds
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RESOLVED unanimously
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Guus> lists of values ...
14:55:08 [RalphS]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0017.html David's review of Lists of Values
14:55:34 [aliman]
David> great draft, ready for publication ...
14:55:51 [aliman]
one issue: real-world systems, will need to map ontologies to each other ...
14:55:59 [aliman]
this draft has two patterns ...
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first pattern supports easy mapping ...
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second pattern doesn't, to make implementation easier
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?
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Guus> does this need to be resolved before publication?
14:57:39 [aliman]
David> this is realistic issue, this WG should raise real world deployment issues
14:58:07 [aliman]
Ralph> david is correct in addressing utility of ont mapping ...
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but should this part of this document, or possible 4th document for OEP ...
14:59:01 [aliman]
actually including second pattern has pedagogical value ...
14:59:17 [aliman]
can include why you should not use this pattern for example ...
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(reasons why not to use it would be valuable for this doc)
14:59:47 [guus]
q?
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ack RalphS
15:00:07 [aliman]
David> mappnig issue does not belong in this doc ...
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also concerned to avoid future amibiguity or contradiciotn ...
15:00:54 [aliman]
maybe add to this doc, add bullet to say when doing mapping, pattern 2 has serious issues
15:01:22 [aliman]
David> raise this issue, leave decision to editors, but address before publication
15:01:30 [aliman]
Guus> 99% of world prefer pattern 2 ...
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ont mapping is important issue, but more general than this note ...
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should this be a consideration for all notes?
15:02:24 [aliman]
Ralph> david's comments say pattern 2 rules out mapping
15:02:33 [aliman]
Guus> Also relevant for other notes. ...
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Guus> PROPOSAL to publish as is, with recommendation to editors to review David's issues and add a bullet to mention issues for mapping
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PROPOSAL publish lists of values as first working draft ...
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with recommendation to add note re: impact on mapping of using pattern 2
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Ralph seconds
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RESOLVED
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:) :)
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move to next agendum
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agendum 5. "TF Updates" taken up [from RalphS]
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5.1 XML Schema datatypes
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ACTION: Guus to add XML schema datatypes to agenda for next telecon
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5.2 Vocab management
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+??P35
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Guus> tom has proposed this TF becomes active second half of august
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ACTION: Ralph move VM TF description from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0136.html into Group Web space
15:07:10 [RalphS]
zakim, ??p35 is Aldo
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+Aldo; got it
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ACTION: Ralph to move tom's TF description to WG web space
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5.3 ADTF
15:07:31 [aliman]
Libby has sent some messages
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action- 11
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Libby: anyone else who wants to update esw.w3.org wiki, just let [Libby] know your W3C web login
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-Jacco
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-Fabien
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WG telecon adjourns, WNET TF continues
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-Tom_Adams
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-Libby
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-David_Wood
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15:10:09 [RalphS]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:10:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ralph, HP, Guus, Alistair, DanBri, Aldo
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HP has jeremy, brian.
15:15:02 [RalphS]
Aldo: the version in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/wordnet_2.rdf is the latest
15:15:42 [RalphS]
Guus: the issues recorded in wordnet_2.rdf should be addressed before sending outside the WG
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Guus hands chair to Aldo for WNET TF
15:16:01 [jjcscribe]
Issues from
15:16:32 [RalphS]
1) How to ensure that an RDFS processor can process this correctly and also be sure a DL processor can also process it correctly.
15:17:21 [jjcscribe]
Brian: this is soemthing to come back to later
15:17:49 [jjcscribe]
2) Use of XML literal rather than xsd:String. Where might we need to
15:17:49 [jjcscribe]
allow XML markup? e.g. glossary entry, lexical form?
15:18:02 [jjcscribe]
Also msg to I18N
15:18:18 [RalphS]
DanBri: ruby annotations too, perhaps
15:18:47 [danbri]
cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2004Jun/0015.html "Ruby Annotation for I18N'd thes labels" on public-esw-thes re SKOS.
15:18:51 [RalphS]
Jeremy: the question is whether/when we might need to permit XML literals
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... my view is that we don't need to permit XML literals
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Guus: have you asked I18N WG?
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-DanBri
15:19:19 [RalphS]
Jeremy: yes, no response yet
15:19:22 [danbri]
hmm
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zakim, dial danbri-home
15:19:31 [Zakim]
ok, danbri; the call is being made
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+Danbri
15:19:47 [RalphS]
Jeremy: would be interesting to see how German WordNet works, with compound nouns
15:20:26 [RalphS]
DanBri: thinking about multilingual content, e.g. for ruby annotations
15:20:54 [jjcscribe]
OPtions: XMLLiteral, plain literal, or xsd:string
15:21:14 [RalphS]
Guus: how do we do XML literals?
15:21:33 [RalphS]
Jeremy: using a bnode
15:22:06 [jjcscribe]
ALdo: when using NLP the words may not be the real words found in actually documents
15:22:28 [Zakim]
+PatH
15:22:44 [danbri]
afternevening pat
15:23:47 [RalphS]
Guus: what advantages to using xsd:String over plain literal?
15:23:51 [RalphS]
DanBri: I see no advantage
15:23:59 [RalphS]
PatH: they ought to be equivalent
15:24:33 [RalphS]
Brian: this version uses xsd:String because Guus' original draft used xsd:String
15:25:07 [RalphS]
Brian: would like to consider structural question of whether to include word sense
15:25:28 [RalphS]
Guus: it would be strange not to have a URI for every word sense
15:25:34 [RalphS]
... word sense is a central notion in WordNet
15:25:39 [RalphS]
DanBri: this doesn't follow
15:25:54 [RalphS]
... can be central but have other identifying properties than URIs
15:26:26 [RalphS]
Aldo: URI for every word sense is important if you want to bind the sense to a particular word
15:26:31 [danbri]
[I mean, URIs are useful but not a drop-dead requirement]
15:27:06 [RalphS]
... in language you can express the same thing with different words but you convey something slightly different
15:27:28 [jjcscribe]
Aldo binding sense to a particular synset
15:27:30 [danbri]
...wordnet only has numeric IDs for synsets
15:28:01 [jjcscribe]
synsets URIs can be formed by combining the words in the synset
15:29:02 [jjcscribe]
Jeremy: I prefer rdfs:Label
15:29:39 [jjcscribe]
Wordnet has a numeric id, aldo suggests a concatenation
15:30:01 [danbri]
[So we might have http://example.com/..../syn_234242_Some_Friendly_Text_here ?]
15:30:25 [RalphS]
Aldo: replacing synset id with concatenation of labels makes it hard to compare two different versions
15:30:47 [aldoG]
yes we night dan
15:31:40 [RalphS]
Aldo: so we want to preserve the synset id and add other properties?
15:31:48 [jjcscribe]
Brian: are synset ids prerved?
15:31:52 [RalphS]
Brian: are synset IDs preserved across versions of WordNet?
15:31:57 [jjcscribe]
Aldo: answer no
15:32:01 [danbri]
q+ to note 3 aspects of design: our RDF vocab (classes of thing we describe); which ones we expect to assign URIs to; which/what/how of composing URIs for instances of those entities
15:33:00 [danbri]
brian: you could have a synset with properties such as wn:synsetIDv1 is "123"; wn:synsetIDv2 is "1321"
15:33:05 [bwm]
I have to go now
15:33:27 [danbri]
cheers brian; take care...
15:33:41 [RalphS]
[oohh -- an n-ary relation between synsets, their numeric ids, and the WordNet version]
15:35:32 [danbri]
q?
15:35:39 [danbri]
ack danbri
15:35:39 [Zakim]
danbri, you wanted to note 3 aspects of design: our RDF vocab (classes of thing we describe); which ones we expect to assign URIs to; which/what/how of composing URIs for instances
15:35:42 [Zakim]
... of those entities
15:36:20 [RalphS]
DanBri: our core piece of work is RDF vocab
15:36:57 [RalphS]
... which things we give URIs to is orthogonal
15:37:50 [danbri]
aldo: eurowordnet has a versioning-like problem
15:37:58 [RalphS]
Aldo: some systems provide mappings but [generation of mappings] is not automatic
15:39:29 [Zakim]
-PatH
15:40:31 [RalphS]
Aldo: might mention the mapping problem in first version without resolving how to do it
15:40:39 [RalphS]
... preserve synset id as a property
15:43:40 [RalphS]
... and propose a mechanism to construct names for synsets
15:45:37 [aliman]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/thes/reports/8.4/ may be of use ... ?
15:45:44 [aliman]
Can express non-exact mappings between concepts (may be applicable for mapping between versions?)
15:46:08 [danbri]
[I was wondering whether there was a SKOS design we could use here. Are you on the call still Al.?]
15:46:13 [aliman]
oops http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/thes/8.4/
15:46:25 [aliman]
yep muted
15:49:35 [RalphS]
DanBri: [lays out implications of different approaches; letting naive RDF tools do useful things, using OWL Full, or being out of the scope of current published Recommendations]
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Guus: would like to provide Princeton with some translation tools that generate new RDF documents from their distributions
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... so need an automated name generation algorithm
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Guus: how about synlist rather than synset?
15:52:28 [RalphS]
Aldo: could work, but has anyone done it?
15:54:39 [aliman]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/thes/1.0/guide/#3.8 for multilingual labelling in SKOS ...
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(uses plain literals)
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first one: iteral or string ... second: uris for word senses ... third: versioning of synsets
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ACTION Jeremy: literal format / 118N issues
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fourth: concatenated names for synsets
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ACTION Guus: IDs for word senses pros and cons
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ACTION Aldo on Synset URIs in relation to versioning
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15:58:45 [danbri]
"design choices for uri assignment to w/net entities" perhaps?
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-Guus
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Zakim: you have 20 seconds to comply
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-Danbri
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-Alistair
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Attendees were Fabien, Ralph, [CWI], Alistair, Guus, Jacco, David_Wood, Libby, DanBri, Tom_Adams, bwm, jeremy, brian., Aldo, PatH
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16:22:09 [danbri]
rssagent, pointer?
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rrsagent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T16-22-14
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 11 open action items:
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ACTION: Guus and Ralph to find a chair for 22 July [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-14-16
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ACTION: Guus to send out message about next face to face, including possibility of holding it at ISWC [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-15-38
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ACTION: Ralph add Tom_Adams to list [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-20-35
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ACTION: ralph CVS access for Brian, Aldo, Natasha, Tom [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-23-08
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ACTION: ralph to remind tom aldo and natasha to send public ssh2 key to ralph [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-26-22
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ACTION: Guus to review aldo's wordnet proposal doc [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-27-30
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ACTION: Guus (1) is it the right type of approach? (2) alternative ontoligies for units? [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-37-31
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ACTION: Guus to add XML schema datatypes to agenda for next telecon [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-06-15
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ACTION: Ralph move VM TF description from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0136.html into Group Web space [10]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-06-58
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ACTION: Jeremy to literal format / 118N issues [12]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-56-50
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ACTION: Guus to IDs for word senses pros and cons [13]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-57-12