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13:54:42 <RalphS> Meeting: SWBPD WG
13:55:02 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0015.html
13:55:02 <RalphS> [ALL] Agenda Jul8 telecon
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13:55:27 <RalphS> RalphS has changed the topic to: SWBPD agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0015.html
13:55:55 <RalphS> Chair: Guus
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13:56:20 <RalphS> Regrets: Evan, Alan, Natasha, Jim, Benjamin, Mike, Tom
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13:58:43 <Zakim> SW_BPD()10:00AM has now started
13:58:51 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
13:59:15 <Zakim> +Ralph
13:59:52 <Zakim> +??P4
13:59:59 <bwm> Zakim, ??p4 is bwm
13:59:59 <Zakim> +bwm; got it
14:00:50 <Zakim> +[CWI]
14:00:54 <Zakim> +??P7
14:01:04 <RalphS> zakim, ??p7 is Alistair
14:01:05 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
14:01:15 <RalphS> zakim, cwi is Guus
14:01:15 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
14:01:18 <guus> zakim, [CWI] is Guus
14:01:18 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '[CWI]'
14:01:53 <Zakim> +[CWI]
14:02:09 <RalphS> zakim, cwi is Jacco
14:02:09 <Zakim> +Jacco; got it
14:02:50 <Zakim> +??P10
14:03:14 <RalphS> zakim, drop ??p10
14:03:14 <Zakim> ??P10 is being disconnected
14:03:16 <Zakim> -??P10
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14:04:15 <Zakim> +David_Wood
14:05:22 <Zakim> +??P17
14:05:34 <libby> yes!!
14:05:47 <RalphS> zakim, ??p17 is Libby
14:05:47 <Zakim> +Libby; got it
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14:06:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Libby
14:06:51 <RalphS> [Libby has a broken headset, not willing to scribe]
14:06:53 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jacco
14:07:13 <RalphS> [Jacco declines due to RSI]
14:07:14 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Alistair
14:07:16 <Zakim> -Libby
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14:08:36 <RalphS> Scribe: Alistair
14:09:10 <Zakim> +Natasha
14:09:14 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
14:09:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Fabien (muted), Ralph, bwm, Guus, Alistair, Jacco, David_Wood (muted), Natasha
14:09:34 <Zakim> +DanBri
14:09:39 <Zakim> +??P20
14:09:52 <RalphS> zakim, Natasha is really Tom_Adams
14:09:52 <Zakim> +Tom_Adams; got it
14:10:07 <RalphS> zakim, ??p20 is Libby
14:10:07 <Zakim> +Libby; got it
14:10:49 <RalphS> Regrets+ JimH
14:11:14 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum
14:11:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Administrivia" taken up [from RalphS]
14:11:29 <aliman> proposal to accept minutes of june 24 telecon
14:11:35 <aliman> ralph seconds
14:11:42 <aliman> resolved
14:12:13 <RalphS> RESOLVED to accep tthe minutes of the June 24 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0140.html
14:12:15 <aliman> proposed next telecon july 22 ...
14:12:34 <danbri> I think I can make next call
14:12:49 <bwm> sorry I was muted
14:12:56 <jacco> I think I can make next call
14:13:05 <aliman> july 22 ok for next telecon
14:13:11 <libby> think I can too  - calendar slow
14:13:13 <RalphS> [small risk for Ralph; we have a visitor at MIT that day]
14:14:00 <RalphS> regrets for 22 July from Guus
14:14:08 <RalphS> RESOLVED to meet 22 July 1800 UTC
14:14:16 <RalphS> ACTION: Guus and Ralph to find a chair for 22 July
14:15:23 <aliman> Guus> proposals for hosting next face 2 face meeting 
14:15:32 <bwm> Zakim, bwm is HP
14:15:32 <Zakim> +HP; got it
14:15:38 <aliman> ACTION: Guus to send ou t message about next face to face
14:15:40 <bwm> Zakim, HP has bwm
14:15:40 <Zakim> +bwm; got it
14:15:48 <bwm> Zakim, HP has jeremy
14:15:48 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
14:15:55 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0025.html Another [F2f] meeting in '04 ? [Guus 2004-07-08]
14:16:08 <RalphS> ACTION: Guus to propose dates for a F2F in 2004
14:16:17 <RalphS> action-3
14:17:26 <jacco> I might be at ISWC2004
14:17:36 <aliman> Guus> discussing possibility of next F2F at ISWC ...
14:17:59 <aliman> maybe problem because not so many people attending ...
14:18:34 <aliman> busy schedule, also need to find a host ...
14:19:13 <Fabien> ISWC site http://iswc2004.semanticweb.org/
14:19:23 <aliman> ACTION 2=Guus to send out message about next face to face, including possibility of holding it at ISWC
14:19:47 <RalphS> move to next agendum
14:19:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Item Review" taken up [from RalphS]
14:20:35 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph add Tom_Adams to list
14:20:59 <TomAdams> Tom Adams is tom@tucanatech.com
14:21:14 <RalphS> ACTION ralph sort out Aldo's mail issues
14:21:16 <RalphS> done
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14:22:10 <jjc> * Zakim, HP also has brian
14:22:26 <jjc> * Zakim, HP also has brian.
14:22:35 <jjc> Zakim, HP also has brian.
14:22:35 <Zakim> +brian.; got it
14:23:08 <aliman> ACTION: ralph CVS access for Brian, Aldo, Natasha, Tom
14:23:51 <aliman> completed for Brian
14:23:59 <aliman> continued for others
14:24:14 <aliman> ACTION Ralph copy 
14:24:14 <aliman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0010/Semantic_Web_Best_Practices-_WordNet_Task_Force.html 
14:24:14 <aliman> in WG directory
14:24:17 <aliman> done
14:24:29 <aliman> ACTION tom quick read of ClassesAsValues for dc:subject issue
14:24:31 <aliman> done
14:24:40 <aliman> ACTION brian review ClassesAsValues for publication
14:24:41 <aliman> done
14:24:53 <aliman> ACTION jeremy review n-ary relations
14:24:54 <aliman> done
14:25:05 <aliman> ACTION David review list of values
14:25:06 <aliman> done
14:25:16 <aliman> ACTION Ralph copy drafts into WG web space
14:25:18 <aliman> done
14:25:31 <aliman> ACTION tom send ssh2 public key to ralph
14:26:22 <aliman> ACTION: ralph to remind tom aldo and natasha to send public ssh2 key to ralph
14:26:45 <aliman> ACTION Aldo prepare summary of Wordnet proposal doc, and send to
14:26:45 <aliman>  Christian after review by WG.
14:27:12 <aliman> completed
14:27:30 <aliman> ACTION: Guus to review aldo's wordnet proposal doc
14:28:13 <aliman> ACTION Guus invite at least 1 wordnet domain expert to a July1st
14:28:15 <aliman> done
14:28:28 <aliman> ACTION ralph to create a dir for the wordnet tf's ongoing work and
14:28:28 <aliman>          give access to brian, ...
14:28:32 <aliman> done
14:28:41 <RalphS> move to next agendum
14:28:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Request from DIWG" taken up [from RalphS]
14:29:33 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0003.html DIWG Requests Guidance on Ontologies for Units [Rhys Lewis 2004-07002]
14:29:34 <aliman> Guus> discussion of issues relating to device independence ...
14:29:44 <aliman> need standard way sof referring to units ...
14:30:02 <aliman> mails are linked from agenda ..
14:30:08 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0007.html RE: Issue for Device Independence Working Group: URIs for units and MIME types [Guus 2004-07-05]
14:30:23 <aliman> question: should we consider this issue?
14:30:35 <aliman> should we take short term action on this issue?
14:31:18 <aliman> is there a standard set of units that can be pointed to?
14:31:50 <aliman> Brian> should be considered
14:32:17 <aliman> Ralph> topic comes up frequently
14:32:44 <aliman> Guus> few people look at this issue, draft a short note (but not full TF)
14:33:12 <aliman> Brian> W3C is going to publish on this issue anyway, so we should be involved
14:33:19 <aliman> Ralph> should be involved
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14:34:38 <aliman> Guus> Mike's mail questions if its our job to put out real ontologies
14:35:30 <aliman> Guus> matter for the OEP task force to consider ..
14:37:31 <aliman> ACTION: Guus (1) is it the right type of approach? (2) alternative ontoligies for units? 
14:38:31 <RalphS> [also, the w3c irc convention is to use ':' for speaker attribution; e.g. "Guus: matter for the OEP task force to consider ..."]
14:38:38 <RalphS> move to next agendum
14:38:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Publications" taken up [from RalphS]
14:39:57 <aliman> Guus> proposal to publish some docs as working drafts ...
14:40:06 <aliman> N-ary relations doc ...
14:40:17 <aliman> reviewed by Jeremy
14:40:30 <aliman> Jeremy> 3 issues on this doc ...
14:40:44 <aliman> blank nodes issue
14:40:59 <aliman> used amazon.com url, prefer e.g. books.example.com
14:41:12 <aliman> refs not in W3C house style
14:41:16 <danbri> +1 re example.com 
14:41:30 <aliman> some URLs in examples files get 404 ...
14:41:34 <aliman> Guus>
14:41:49 <aliman> Issue A [blank nodes] no real difference there
14:43:04 <aliman> JJC> where names have no significance, should use blank nodes ...
14:43:29 <aliman> ?technical issue to resolved after publication
14:43:35 <RalphS> s/?/Brian: /
14:43:54 <RalphS> Ralph: agree with Brian -- can resolve the technical question about bnodes after first publication
14:44:10 <aliman> Issue B [Remove ref to amazon.com]
14:45:22 <aliman> Guus> suggests requirement to editors to change this
14:45:44 <RalphS> Ralph: willing to support requiring the change, though don't feel it's essential
14:46:37 <aliman> Ralph> shouldn't make up names in somebody else's namespace
14:46:57 <aliman> (Issue C [some URLs get 404])
14:47:46 <aliman> Jeremy> Protege may have actually invented these URIs for the note authors ..
14:48:20 <danbri> [cf http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2000Sep/0162.html from DanC, "Hey, You Kids, Get Off My Lawn!"]
14:48:59 <aliman> Ralph> propose we proceed as is, editors make changes for next draft
14:50:02 <aliman> Issue B as hard requirement
14:50:06 <aliman> to be decided
14:50:31 <aliman> Guus> propose to publish N-ary relations draft as first working draft ...
14:50:39 <aliman> with request to editors to make change B for publication
14:50:49 <aliman> Ralph seconds
14:50:51 <jjc> Note: [D] is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0020.html
14:51:06 <aliman> resolved by consensus
14:51:10 <jjc> Issue D was discussed but not required before publication
14:51:34 <aliman> resolved unanimously
14:52:13 <aliman> Guus> classes as values ...
14:52:27 <aliman> review from Brian ... any changes before publication?
14:52:42 <aliman> Brian> some minor changes recommended, no show stoppers.
14:53:13 <aliman> Ralph> issues list should be updated to reflect closed issues (e.g. dc:subject)
14:53:38 <aliman> Guus> requirement to change to dc:subject
14:54:11 <aliman> Guus> PROPOSAL to publish as first working draft, with requirement to update the issues list
14:54:15 <RalphS> (i.e. update the issues list)
14:54:16 <aliman> Brian seconds
14:54:29 <aliman> RESOLVED unanimously
14:54:46 <aliman> Guus> lists of values ...
14:55:08 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jul/0017.html David's review of Lists of Values
14:55:34 <aliman> David> great draft, ready for publication ...
14:55:51 <aliman> one issue: real-world systems, will need to map ontologies to each other ...
14:55:59 <aliman> this draft has two patterns ...
14:56:08 <aliman> first pattern supports easy mapping ...
14:56:24 <aliman> second pattern doesn't, to make implementation easier
14:56:43 <aliman> ?
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14:57:15 <aliman> Guus> does this need to be resolved before publication?
14:57:39 <aliman> David> this is realistic issue, this WG should raise real world deployment issues
14:58:07 <aliman> Ralph> david is correct in addressing utility of ont mapping ...
14:58:18 <aliman> but should this part of this document, or possible 4th document for OEP ...
14:59:01 <aliman> actually including second pattern has pedagogical value ...
14:59:17 <aliman> can include why you should not use this pattern for example ...
14:59:37 <aliman> (reasons why not to use it would be valuable for this doc)
14:59:47 <guus> q?
14:59:56 <guus> ack RalphS
15:00:07 <aliman> David> mappnig issue does not belong in this doc ...
15:00:22 <aliman> also concerned to avoid future amibiguity or contradiciotn ...
15:00:54 <aliman> maybe add to this doc, add bullet to say when doing mapping, pattern 2 has serious issues
15:01:22 <aliman> David> raise this issue, leave decision to editors, but address before publication
15:01:30 <aliman> Guus> 99% of world prefer pattern 2 ...
15:01:44 <aliman> ont mapping is important issue, but more general than this note ...
15:02:06 <aliman> should this be a consideration for all notes?
15:02:24 <aliman> Ralph> david's comments say pattern 2 rules out mapping
15:02:33 <aliman> Guus> Also relevant for other notes. ...
15:03:45 <aliman> Guus> PROPOSAL to publish as is, with recommendation to editors to review David's issues and add a bullet to mention issues for mapping
15:04:08 <aliman> PROPOSAL publish lists of values as first working draft ...
15:04:31 <aliman> with recommendation to add note re: impact on mapping of using pattern 2
15:04:35 <aliman> Ralph seconds
15:04:37 <aliman> RESOLVED
15:05:04 <danbri> :) :)
15:05:21 <RalphS> move to next agendum
15:05:21 <Zakim> agendum 5. "TF Updates" taken up [from RalphS]
15:05:46 <aliman> 5.1 XML Schema datatypes
15:06:15 <aliman> ACTION: Guus to add XML schema datatypes to agenda for next telecon
15:06:23 <aliman> 5.2 Vocab management
15:06:37 <Zakim> +??P35
15:06:38 <aliman> Guus> tom has proposed this TF becomes active second half of august
15:06:58 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph move VM TF description from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0136.html into Group Web space 
15:07:10 <RalphS> zakim, ??p35 is Aldo
15:07:10 <Zakim> +Aldo; got it
15:07:15 <aliman> ACTION: Ralph to move tom's TF description to WG web space
15:07:25 <aliman> 5.3 ADTF
15:07:31 <aliman> Libby has sent some messages
15:07:32 <RalphS> action- 11
15:09:29 <RalphS> Libby: anyone else who wants to update esw.w3.org wiki, just let [Libby] know your W3C web login
15:09:54 <Zakim> -Jacco
15:09:56 <Zakim> -Fabien
15:09:56 <RalphS> WG telecon adjourns, WNET TF continues
15:09:57 <Zakim> -Tom_Adams
15:09:58 <Zakim> -Libby
15:09:59 <Zakim> -David_Wood
15:10:08 <dwood> dwood has left #swbp
15:10:09 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:10:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph, HP, Guus, Alistair, DanBri, Aldo
15:10:10 <Zakim> HP has jeremy, brian.
15:15:02 <RalphS> Aldo: the version in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/wordnet_2.rdf is the latest
15:15:42 <RalphS> Guus: the issues recorded in wordnet_2.rdf should be addressed before sending outside the WG
15:15:57 <jjcscribe> Guus hands chair to Aldo for WNET TF
15:16:01 <jjcscribe> Issues from
15:16:32 <RalphS> 1) How to ensure that an RDFS processor can process this correctly and also be sure a DL processor can also process it correctly.
15:17:21 <jjcscribe> Brian: this is soemthing to come back to later
15:17:49 <jjcscribe> 2) Use of XML literal rather than xsd:String.  Where might we need to
15:17:49 <jjcscribe>    allow XML markup?  e.g. glossary entry, lexical form?
15:18:02 <jjcscribe> Also msg to I18N
15:18:18 <RalphS> DanBri: ruby annotations too, perhaps
15:18:47 <danbri> cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2004Jun/0015.html "Ruby Annotation for I18N'd thes labels" on public-esw-thes re SKOS.
15:18:51 <RalphS> Jeremy: the question is whether/when we might need to permit XML literals
15:19:01 <RalphS> ... my view is that we don't need to permit XML literals
15:19:08 <RalphS> Guus: have you asked I18N WG?
15:19:14 <Zakim> -DanBri
15:19:19 <RalphS> Jeremy: yes, no response yet
15:19:22 <danbri> hmm
15:19:31 <danbri> zakim, dial danbri-home
15:19:31 <Zakim> ok, danbri; the call is being made
15:19:32 <Zakim> +Danbri
15:19:47 <RalphS> Jeremy: would be interesting to see how German WordNet works, with compound nouns
15:20:26 <RalphS> DanBri: thinking about multilingual content, e.g. for ruby annotations
15:20:54 <jjcscribe> OPtions: XMLLiteral, plain literal, or xsd:string
15:21:14 <RalphS> Guus: how do we do XML literals?
15:21:33 <RalphS> Jeremy: using a bnode
15:22:06 <jjcscribe> ALdo: when using NLP the words may not be the real words found in actually documents
15:22:28 <Zakim> +PatH
15:22:44 <danbri> afternevening pat
15:23:47 <RalphS> Guus: what advantages to using xsd:String over plain literal?
15:23:51 <RalphS> DanBri: I see no advantage
15:23:59 <RalphS> PatH: they ought to be equivalent
15:24:33 <RalphS> Brian: this version uses xsd:String because Guus' original draft used xsd:String
15:25:07 <RalphS> Brian: would like to consider structural question of whether to include word sense
15:25:28 <RalphS> Guus: it would be strange not to have a URI for every word sense
15:25:34 <RalphS> ... word sense is a central notion in WordNet
15:25:39 <RalphS> DanBri: this doesn't follow
15:25:54 <RalphS> ... can be central but have other identifying properties than URIs
15:26:26 <RalphS> Aldo: URI for every word sense is important if you want to bind the sense to a particular word
15:26:31 <danbri> [I mean, URIs are useful but not a drop-dead requirement]
15:27:06 <RalphS> ... in language you can express the same thing with different words but you convey something slightly different
15:27:28 <jjcscribe> Aldo binding sense to a particular synset
15:27:30 <danbri> ...wordnet only has numeric IDs for synsets
15:28:01 <jjcscribe> synsets URIs can be formed by combining the words in the synset
15:29:02 <jjcscribe> Jeremy: I prefer rdfs:Label
15:29:39 <jjcscribe> Wordnet has a numeric id, aldo suggests a concatenation
15:30:01 <danbri> [So we might have http://example.com/..../syn_234242_Some_Friendly_Text_here ?]
15:30:25 <RalphS> Aldo: replacing synset id with concatenation of labels makes it hard to compare two different versions
15:30:47 <aldoG> yes we night dan
15:31:40 <RalphS> Aldo: so we want to preserve the synset id and add other properties?
15:31:48 <jjcscribe> Brian: are synset ids prerved?
15:31:52 <RalphS> Brian: are synset IDs preserved across versions of WordNet?
15:31:57 <jjcscribe> Aldo: answer no 
15:32:01 <danbri> q+ to note 3 aspects of design: our RDF vocab (classes of thing we describe); which ones we expect to assign URIs to; which/what/how of composing URIs for instances of those entities
15:33:00 <danbri> brian: you could have a synset with properties such as wn:synsetIDv1 is "123"; wn:synsetIDv2 is "1321"
15:33:05 <bwm> I have to go now
15:33:27 <danbri> cheers brian; take care...
15:33:41 <RalphS> [oohh -- an n-ary relation between synsets, their numeric ids, and the WordNet version]
15:35:32 <danbri> q?
15:35:39 <danbri> ack danbri
15:35:39 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to note 3 aspects of design: our RDF vocab (classes of thing we describe); which ones we expect to assign URIs to; which/what/how of composing URIs for instances
15:35:42 <Zakim> ... of those entities
15:36:20 <RalphS> DanBri: our core piece of work is RDF vocab
15:36:57 <RalphS> ... which things we give URIs to is orthogonal
15:37:50 <danbri> aldo: eurowordnet has a versioning-like problem
15:37:58 <RalphS> Aldo: some systems provide mappings but [generation of mappings] is not automatic
15:39:29 <Zakim> -PatH
15:40:31 <RalphS> Aldo: might mention the mapping problem in first version without resolving how to do it
15:40:39 <RalphS> ... preserve synset id as a property
15:43:40 <RalphS> ... and propose a mechanism to construct names for synsets
15:45:37 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/thes/reports/8.4/ may be of use ... ?
15:45:44 <aliman> Can express non-exact mappings between concepts (may be applicable for mapping between versions?)
15:46:08 <danbri> [I was wondering whether there was a SKOS design we could use here. Are you on the call still Al.?]
15:46:13 <aliman> oops http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/thes/8.4/
15:46:25 <aliman> yep muted
15:49:35 <RalphS> DanBri: [lays out implications of different approaches; letting naive RDF tools do useful things, using OWL Full, or being out of the scope of current published Recommendations]
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15:50:23 <RalphS> Guus: would like to provide Princeton with some translation tools that generate new RDF documents from their distributions
15:50:33 <RalphS> ... so need an automated name generation algorithm
15:52:18 <RalphS> Guus: how about synlist rather than synset?
15:52:28 <RalphS> Aldo: could work, but has anyone done it?
15:54:39 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/thes/1.0/guide/#3.8 for multilingual labelling in SKOS ...
15:54:52 <aliman> (uses plain literals)
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15:56:08 <aldoG> first one: iteral or string ... second: uris for word senses ... third: versioning of synsets
15:56:50 <guus> ACTION Jeremy: literal format / 118N issues
15:57:02 <aldoG> fourth: concatenated names for synsets
15:57:12 <guus> ACTION Guus: IDs for word senses pros and cons
15:57:43 <guus> ACTION Aldo on Synset URIs in relation to versioning
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15:58:45 <danbri> "design choices for uri assignment to w/net entities" perhaps?
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16:04:05 <Zakim> SW_BPD()10:00AM has ended
16:04:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Fabien, Ralph, [CWI], Alistair, Guus, Jacco, David_Wood, Libby, DanBri, Tom_Adams, bwm, jeremy, brian., Aldo, PatH
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16:22:09 <danbri> rssagent, pointer?
16:22:14 <danbri> rrsagent, pointer?
16:22:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T16-22-14
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17:58:12 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items:
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus and Ralph to find a chair for 22 July [1]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-14-16
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to send out message about next face to face, including possibility of holding it at ISWC [2]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-15-38
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph add Tom_Adams to list [4]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-20-35
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ralph CVS access for Brian, Aldo, Natasha, Tom [5]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-23-08
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ralph to remind tom aldo and natasha to send public ssh2 key to ralph [6]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-26-22
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to review aldo's wordnet proposal doc [7]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-27-30
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus (1) is it the right type of approach? (2) alternative ontoligies for units?  [8]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T14-37-31
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to add XML schema datatypes to agenda for next telecon [9]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-06-15
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph move VM TF description from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0136.html into Group Web space  [10]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-06-58
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to literal format / 118N issues [12]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-56-50
17:58:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to IDs for word senses pros and cons [13]
17:58:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/08-swbp-irc#T15-57-12