irc log of SWBPD telecon 2004-06-24 Timestamps are UTC-4 [14:07] +Jhendler; got it [14:07] I assumed I was ??P8, but I'm actually +1.703.871.aabb [14:07] Zakim, who's on the call? [14:07] On the phone I see MikeUschold, Brian_McBride, jjcscribe, MikeWood, PatH, Fabien (muted), Natasha, TomAdams, Benjamin, JosD, Jhendler, ??P11 [14:07] Zakim, ??P11 is TomBaker [14:07] +TomBaker; got it [14:07] Zakim, MikeWood is DavidWood [14:07] +DavidWood; got it [14:07] +Ralph [14:08] Zakim, who's on the call? [14:08] On the phone I see MikeUschold, Brian_McBride, jjcscribe, DavidWood, PatH, Fabien (muted), Natasha, TomAdams, Benjamin, JosD, Jhendler, TomBaker, Ralph [14:08] apologies for being late [14:08] Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0107.html [14:09] zakim, PatH is really Alan [14:09] +Alan; got it [14:09] Roll complete [14:09] Scribe: Jeremy [14:10] Chair: ralph [14:10] Previous: 2004-06-10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0099.html [14:10] Regrets: Guus, DanBri, Evan, Libby, Alistair, Gary, Deb [14:10] Minutes accepted [14:11] proposed next meeting: 8 July [14:11] Tom Baker cannot attend on 8 July either. [14:11] Two weeks today ... 8th July (regrets Alan, Natasha) [14:11] regrets from Alan, Natasha [14:11] I won't be there either [14:11] further regrets Benjamin, Jim [14:12] earlier time 14:00 [14:12] next meeting 8 July 1400 Z [14:12] Any agenda alterations: no [14:13] Agendum2: Action Item Review [14:14] actions Aldo continued [14:14] Guus continued [14:14] Ralph done [14:14] Ralph done [14:15] long list done [14:16] tom done [14:16] jim done [14:16] guus Juky1st continue [14:16] + +39.064.416.aacc [14:17] guus arrange telecon JUly1st done [14:17] zakim, aacc is Aldo [14:17] +Aldo; got it [14:18] I have received aldo's email [14:18] ACTION: ralph sort out Aldo's mail issues [14:20] Aldo will hae difficulty attending July1st telecon [14:22] Either is fine for me. [14:22] jeremy can reschedule for 30th June [14:22] 30 June is fine with me [14:22] bwm checks callendar and 30 Jun is ok with me too [14:23] ralph action on wordnet dir - continued in part [14:24] Tom wants write access too (if VM TF goes ahead) [14:25] q+ [14:25] ACTION: aldo create introductorydoc for WNET TF [14:26] ACTION: ralph CVS access for Brian, Aldo, Natasha, Tom [14:26] jjc action is done [14:26] XML SCH WG is discussing request today or tomorrow [14:27] brian: each TF should have a directory [14:27] Agenda 3 publication process [14:29] guus will write up, in general the process looks fine to Brian [14:29] jjc: in a nutshell we publish WD before WG Note [14:30] 4.1 WNET [14:31] TF template done [14:31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0010/Semantic_Web_Best_Practices-_WordNet_Task_Force.html [14:31] [[ [14:31] Brian has provided some RDFS updating OWL of Guus [14:31] Semantic Web Best Practices: WordNet Task Force [14:31] last updated: $Date: 2004/06/24 19:43:48 $ [14:31] ]] [14:32] q+ [14:32] Aldo suggests adding OWL to Brian's RDFS [14:32] and thenconverting the database [14:32] should be discussed at Jun30 WG [14:33] ^WG^telecon [14:33] brian asks about some changes [14:33] brian proposes to move on, discuss this next week, but registers he has outstanding comments [14:34] ACTION: Ralph copy http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0010/Semantic_Web_Best_Practices-_WordNet_Task_Force.html in WG directory [14:34] JJC: should we be thinking about at WG Note from the first stage before moving on to the second stage? [14:35] s/about at/about a/ [14:35] Aldo: yes [14:35] Aldo: yes [14:36] 4.2 XML Schema [14:36] XML Schema Datatypes TF [14:36] JJC: XML Schema WG will be discussing today or tomorrow [14:37] ... under "inter-working group cooperation" [14:37] 4.3 ADTF [14:37] Libby absent [14:38] Benjamin wants to be added to the TF [14:38] http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebBestPracticesTaskForceOnApplicationsAndDemos [14:38] Benjamin is not listed on Wiki page [14:39] Fabien: you should edit the page to add yourself [14:39] 4.4 WRLD [14:39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0082.html [14:39] Of potential VM members, I see Ralph, Alan, Jim Aldo, Natasha. Regrets: Libby, Dan, Alistair, ?Bernard?. Is that correct? [14:40] Mike will have some thoughts ... but not yet [14:41] jjc: HP supported Jim's position [14:42] Proposal: put TF on hold [14:43] jim: proposed, jjc: second [14:43] RESOLVED WRLD TF is on hold [14:43] 4.5 OEP [14:44] Natasha ... [14:44] problems with dc:subject, so replaced [14:44] I support publishing classes as values as a wd [14:46] Mike: I have minor feeback on n-ary relations [14:48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0031/ClassesAsValues-v6a.html [14:48] q+ [14:48] does not use dc subject, the other one v6 does [14:48] q+ [14:48] Natasha is looking for feedback to know which to have as the proposed WD [14:49] Regrets: I have to leave before 21H00 (French Time). Bye [14:50] -Fabien [14:50] Regrets: I will have to leave in 10 minutes (Noon PDT) [14:50] Tom offers to ask the DC board to review the d:subject issue [14:51] Ralph suggests Tom and ??? as WG reviewers [14:52] bwm: issue is not specific to dc:subject [14:53] bwm: my request was that we switch the example sufficiently so that there was no question oabout using dc:subject [14:53] q+ [14:53] that sounds sensible [14:54] bwm: I agree with jjc that we don't need to let dc board stand on critical path [14:54] ralph: if use of dc:subject is appropriate then we should [14:55] ACTION: tom quck read of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0031/ClassesAsValues-v6.html for dc:subject issue [14:56] I'm willing [14:56] ACTION: jjc review n-ary relations [14:56] ACTION: bwm review classes as values [14:57] To ward off the complaint that one approach in teh classes as values document does not use DC:subject is to clearly specify different senses of subject, and say which one is the closest to teh DC:Subject. Best of both worlds? [14:58] -MikeUschold [14:58] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2004Jun/att-0030/n-aryRelations-v2.html [14:58] is the n-ary relations doc to review [14:58] Lists as values [14:59] Alan: I just got back ... [15:00] I had comments from brian, and I cleaned things up in light of this [15:00] This is a common problem, and we give two solutions: either partition value space or use a list of symbols [15:01] Alan: I hope this is ready to go out [15:01] Nataha: this is ready for public review [15:01] Bwm: I liked this doc - it helped me [15:02] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/att-0121/lists_of_values-4.zip [15:02] version to review [15:03] I volunteer [15:03] ACTION: David review list of values [15:04] note for scribe - it should be "set of symbols" [15:04] ACTION: ralph copy editors draft into WG space [15:04] thanks Ralph! [15:04] s/draft/drafts/ [15:05] Ralph: congrats to OEP [15:05] 4.6 PORT [15:05] nobody on call willing to represent them [15:05] 4.7 VM [15:06] Tom: I poste revised TF description [15:06] Last weeks conf call was productive [15:06] Perhaps I went a bit too far in filling in detail [15:06] -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Jun/0113.html [VM,ALL] Revised VM Task Force description [Tom 2004-06-24] [15:07] JJC: detail is helpful but not appropriate for TF Description [15:07] jjc: I found detail helpful, but not appropriate i TF desc [15:08] Tom: dependency section is awkward, there are a number of W3C groups that have work inside the scope [15:08] of this TF [15:09] Perhaps dependency section needs rework [15:09] TF will start in september if WG willing [15:10] Tom: would like guidance on dependency sectio of TF desc [15:11] ACTION: tom send ssh2 public key to ralph [15:11] 5 AOB [15:11] none [15:12] q+ [15:12] q- [15:12] Tom: are potential members of VM interested in participating? [15:13] Ralph, Natasha yes [15:13] I am also still interested - although not until after the next two weeks [15:13] i am muted [15:14] q+ [15:15] david: this is my first call, what do I do once I have reviewed the doc [15:15] -Jhendler [15:15] Ralph: these will be first WD [15:16] 1) not necessarily perfect [15:16] 2) purpose is to let public know where we are [15:17] 3) lets W3C director know what we are doing [15:17] (Ralph gets official OK from director for first WD) [15:18] We are looking for showstoppers at this stage [15:18] adjourned [15:18] -TomAdams [15:18] -JosD [15:18] -DavidWood [15:18] -Aldo [15:18] -Ralph [15:18] -TomBaker [15:18] -jjcscribe [15:18] -Benjamin [15:18] -Alan [15:19] -Natasha [15:19] -Brian_McBride [15:19] SW_BPD()2:00PM has ended [15:19] Attendees were Brian_McBride, +1.703.726.aaaa, Fabien, MikeUschold, Benjamin, TomAdams, jjcscribe, JosD, Natasha, Jhendler, TomBaker, DavidWood, Ralph, Alan, +39.064.416.aacc, Aldo [15:19] how do I list actions? [15:19] rrsagent will list actions when dismissed [15:19] rrsagent, please make log world-visible [15:19] rrsagent, bye [15:20] rrsagent was not on call [15:20] oops! [15:20] ah well [15:20] I can cope, as long as log is wrld readable [15:20] I will copy my log into the Web [15:20] you'll have to manually extract the actions [15:20] OK [15:20] my fault for arriving late and not noticing rrsagent was not here [15:20] I don't know how to invite hi [15:21] "/invite rrsagent #swbpd" is sufficient [15:21] ok [15:21] bye [15:21] s/swbpd/swbp/ [15:21] I will put the log in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/24-swbp-irc [15:21] will take me a few mins [15:21] thanks for scribing, Jeremy