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14:30:31 <Zakim> +EricP
14:30:37 <DanC> agenda + Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0625.html
14:30:38 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:30:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.942.aaaa, Kevin, NickG, Yoshio, ??P5, EricP
14:30:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ericP, JanneS, DanC, alberto, KevinW, SteveH, AndyS, DaveB, Yoshio, FarrukhNajmi, SimonR
14:30:52 <FarrukhNajmi> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0625.html
14:30:53 <DanC> agenda + ftf update http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/DAWGf2f2/
14:31:00 <Zakim> + +1.703.871.aabb
14:31:02 <DanC> agenda + Use Cases and Requirements Doc
14:31:06 <Zakim> +??P7
14:31:16 <DanC> agenda + Review test materials http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~swh/TestSketchCases/
14:31:19 <SteveH> I think I'm masqarading as NickG
14:31:20 <rob_> rob_ has joined #dawg
14:31:25 <DanC> agenda + Requirements
14:31:30 <Zakim> +??P8
14:31:30 <ericP> zaiim, ??P7 is Tom
14:31:34 <Zakim> +RobS
14:31:38 <DanC> agenda -4
14:31:39 <DanC> agenda -5
14:31:49 <AndyS> zakim, ??P8 is AndyS
14:31:49 <Zakim> +[ASemantics]
14:31:50 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:31:52 <SteveH> Zakim, NickG is SteveH
14:31:52 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:31:52 <ericP> zakim, ??P8 is andy
14:31:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P8 as AndyS, ericP
14:32:08 <tom> tom has joined #dawg
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14:32:11 <DanC> agenda + Review test materials http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~swh/TestSketchCases/
14:32:17 <ericP> zakim, who is here?
14:32:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.942.aaaa, Kevin, SteveH, Yoshio, ??P5, EricP, +1.703.871.aabb, ??P7, AndyS, RobS, [ASemantics]
14:32:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see kendall, tom, rob_, RRSAgent, Zakim, ericP, JanneS, DanC, alberto, KevinW, SteveH, AndyS, DaveB, Yoshio, FarrukhNajmi, SimonR
14:32:26 <DanC> agenda -4
14:32:35 <DanC> agenda + Requirements
14:32:39 <Zakim> + +1.714.539.aacc
14:32:42 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:32:48 <Zakim> +DanC
14:32:58 <JosD> JosD has joined #dawg
14:33:03 <ericP> zakim, 1.781.942.aaaa is farrukh
14:33:04 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named '1.781.942.aaaa'
14:33:06 <Zakim> -DanC
14:33:08 <Zakim> +??P13
14:33:12 <Zakim> +DanC
14:33:38 <JosD> Zakim, ??P13 is JosD
14:33:38 <Zakim> +JosD; got it
14:33:45 <ericP> tx Jos
14:34:27 <FarrukhNajmi> 1. Convene, take roll, review record, agenda
14:34:46 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 1
14:34:46 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0625.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:35:39 <Zakim> +JimH
14:36:05 <DanC> Dirk Colaert
14:37:11 <ericP> U Maryland: Kendall, Jim
14:37:17 <ericP> Panosonic: Yohsio
14:37:20 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:37:20 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:37:20 <ericP> Net inf: Rob
14:37:26 <FarrukhNajmi> JoshD, Dirk, Albert, AndyS, KevinW, Kendal, JimH, Yoshio, RobS, Farrukh
14:37:31 <ericP> Janne
14:37:47 <ericP> Tom Adams
14:38:02 <ericP> DaveB
14:38:06 <ericP> Steve Harris
14:38:10 <FarrukhNajmi> Thx. Eric
14:38:11 <ericP> -Pat Hayes
14:38:14 <ericP> np
14:38:21 <ericP> -Howard (excused)
14:38:26 <DanC> regrets
14:38:31 <ericP> tx
14:38:40 <ericP> W3C: DanC, EricP
14:39:13 <FarrukhNajmi> Accepted Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon Tuesday 2004-06-08 for review
14:39:13 <FarrukhNajmi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0547.html
14:39:13 <FarrukhNajmi> as ammended Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:14:00 -0500 by Connolly
14:39:33 <DanC> Zakim, agenda?
14:39:33 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:39:34 <Zakim> 1. Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0625.html [from DanC]
14:39:37 <Zakim> 2. ftf update http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/DAWGf2f2/ [from DanC]
14:39:38 <Zakim> 3. Use Cases and Requirements Doc [from DanC]
14:39:39 <Zakim> 4. Review test materials http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~swh/TestSketchCases/ [from DanC]
14:39:40 <Zakim> 5. Requirements [from DanC]
14:40:28 <FarrukhNajmi> Dan: Any additional agenda items?
14:40:33 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:40:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ftf update http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/DAWGf2f2/" taken up [from DanC]
14:40:44 <FarrukhNajmi> Ken: Need to review additional new use cases
14:41:14 <FarrukhNajmi> ?: Have a new registration form mechanism
14:41:34 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: 7 people have replied so far
14:41:41 <kendall> paste the registration doodad into IRC?
14:41:47 <kendall> uri, i mean
14:41:50 <Yoshio> I have a credibility problem
14:42:02 <Yoshio> EricP knows
14:42:07 <ericP> lol
14:42:07 <FarrukhNajmi> 2. ftf update
14:42:07 <FarrukhNajmi>  ALL F2F2 registration at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/DAWGf2f2/
14:42:23 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:42:23 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Use Cases and Requirements Doc" taken up [from DanC]
14:42:37 <DanC> DONE: ACTION EricP to send announcement of UC&R to rdfs-rules list
14:42:51 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:42:51 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:42:56 <DaveB> I claim my action done
14:43:08 <DanC> ACTION: Kendall: consider the larger comments from Brian and Yoshio post-publication
14:43:11 <DanC> (continues)
14:43:23 <ericP> zakim, who is speaking?
14:43:34 <Zakim> ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.781.942.aaaa (66%), RobS (4%), JimH (23%), DanC (94%)
14:43:55 <DanC> DONE ACTION Kendall to dispose of "3.3a Extensible Value Testing" variant
14:44:00 <ericP> pointer to the -commnts list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2004Jun/thread.html
14:44:12 <ericP> (plus one from last month on previous archive page)
14:44:35 <ericP> (plus one from last month on previous archive page)
14:44:55 <DanC> DONE ACTION Kendall effect "RESOLVED to adopt 3.9 as an objective"
14:44:55 <DanC>  (not recorded)
14:45:15 <DaveB> it's in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0628.html
14:46:02 <FarrukhNajmi> DONE ACTION DaveB: write up this educational metadata UC
14:46:10 <kendall> q+ to say +1
14:46:35 <FarrukhNajmi> ? free text sreach would be useful addition
14:46:39 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:46:39 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:47:01 <FarrukhNajmi> s/sreach/search/
14:47:05 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:47:05 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:47:27 <FarrukhNajmi> ?: Should we include this new use case
14:47:35 <tom> +1
14:47:39 <kendall> zakim, mute me
14:47:39 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:47:43 <FarrukhNajmi> Lots of comments in favour of inclusion
14:47:46 <kendall> q-
14:47:57 <FarrukhNajmi> None against inclusion.
14:48:09 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Editor has been advised to include
14:48:15 <DaveB> yay
14:48:59 <kendall> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0529.html
14:49:35 <FarrukhNajmi> Whose speaking?
14:49:40 <AndyS> Rob is
14:49:50 <kendall> Rob Shearer
14:50:43 <FarrukhNajmi> Can someone summarize the discussion. I am losing the thread
14:52:31 <tom> tom has joined #dawg
14:52:39 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
14:52:39 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:55:37 <Yoshio> q+ to ask what is the relatinship to  the "tell me about" query issue at the end of the day?
14:56:58 <AndyS> One thing is that came out in email was getting RDFList structures is hard without that, Yoshio..
14:57:01 <Yoshio> * I think short summary is needed on IRC
14:57:26 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC can you verbally summarize the record worthy points of this discussion to help scribe.
14:57:39 <DanC> ok, I'll try to summarize
14:58:00 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Sumary of thread
14:58:18 <DanC> ack yoshio
14:58:18 <Zakim> Yoshio, you wanted to ask what is the relatinship to  the "tell me about" query issue at the end of the day?
14:58:28 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS has some concerns on the new use case RDFS/OWL related
14:59:18 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Understand that the use case deals with Vanilla Graph queries and not "Tell Me About" queries
14:59:32 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Agreed with DanC
14:59:48 <DanC> s/RobS/AndyS/ I think
15:00:07 <FarrukhNajmi> Robs speaking?
15:00:08 <AndyS> Yes - AndyS
15:00:23 <AndyS> always agrees with the chair :-) Well..
15:00:32 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Concerned about any mention of OWL in specific
15:00:52 <FarrukhNajmi> ACtion: JIH elaborate use case in stopry form
15:00:59 <FarrukhNajmi> s/JIH/JimH/
15:01:06 <rob_> my concern was about endorsing approach to OWL that doesn't work in general
15:01:19 <kendall> Action: JimH elaborate his proposed use case in story form
15:01:26 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:01:26 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark was not muted, kendall
15:01:35 <DanC> How Many comment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2004Jun/0004.html
15:01:35 <ericP> incoming comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2004Jun/thread.html
15:01:42 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Anyone read incoming comments on UC&R?
15:01:56 <Yoshio> * speaking?
15:01:58 <kendall> same as it's always been
15:01:59 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases
15:02:11 <Yoshio> * or sleeping?
15:02:23 <alberto> it seems Jim use-cased relates to DaveB about "give me useful stuff about X" and the RDF/S and/or thesaurus API - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JanMar/0063.html
15:02:44 <SteveH> kendall: it not linked from the forntpage anymore (AFAICT)
15:03:00 <DaveB> Thinking about my new UC, I think it also motivates (at least allowing) RDFS inferncing
15:03:00 <kendall> Steve: ouch. Hmm, complain to DanC  'bout that, I think
15:03:16 <kendall> DaveB: I'll make note of that
15:03:28 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Swedish name writes how about how many requirements. This one scares me. 
15:03:45 <tom> I think a "count" is very important. Simon: Can you comment?
15:03:45 <kendall> daveb: do you mean 4.6?
15:03:46 <FarrukhNajmi> b) How do u know the documents are different
15:03:51 <FarrukhNajmi> Whats was a?
15:04:14 <alberto> DaveB - ok 
15:04:41 <SimonR> tom: I agree, but I'm listening to other people for a moment about it....
15:04:45 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Start with list of triples (input doc, take its deductive closure) and query over it 
15:05:02 <FarrukhNajmi> Whose speaking. RobS?
15:05:16 <SteveH> FarrukhNajmi: yes
15:05:17 <kendall> Farr: yes
15:05:52 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Inclined to say NO 
15:06:10 <ericP> zakim, q+ to show how to get on the speaker queue
15:06:11 <AndyS> q+ to talk about count in select and count in pattern
15:06:11 <Zakim> I see ericP on the speaker queue
15:06:23 <ericP> q-
15:06:36 <FarrukhNajmi> SimonR: One thing we could do is support aggregate functions that are functions of a result \  
15:06:40 <DanC> ack andy
15:06:40 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to talk about count in select and count in pattern
15:07:03 <tom> Yes, I think we're talking about counts over the result sets.
15:07:16 <ericP> +1
15:07:16 <KevinW> q
15:07:32 <SimonR> Typical aggregate functions: count(), average(), minimum(), etc.
15:07:34 <kendall> kevin: "q+"
15:07:38 <SteveH> +1
15:07:39 <ericP> Kevin, asking for the queue is "q?"
15:07:45 <KevinW> q+
15:07:48 <SteveH> +1 to AndyS that is
15:07:49 <DanC> ack kevin
15:08:04 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:08:04 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:08:11 <FarrukhNajmi> Kevin: This is related to limits. If we did limits then not a big extension to do count
15:08:15 <kendall> +1 on danc's type/token distinction
15:08:31 <JosD> q+ to mention the case of list elements
15:08:41 <DanC> ack jos
15:08:41 <Zakim> JosD, you wanted to mention the case of list elements
15:08:50 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Next step is for someone to propose what to do about this
15:09:00 <tom> Can we not bind the value of a count to a variable, feed this back into a query? We certainly use this feature a lot.
15:09:18 <FarrukhNajmi> JosD: You cannot avoid the cases where count is useful
15:09:33 <Yoshio> average() ? then variance()... I think count () is enough
15:09:44 <SteveH> Yoshio: i agree
15:09:53 <tom> DanC, Yes, I'm willing to write back...
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15:09:56 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:09:56 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:09:59 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Can someone write back to sender that this is interesting point
15:10:08 <FarrukhNajmi> Tom: WIlling to do so
15:10:11 <FarrukhNajmi> Who was second?
15:10:17 <SimonR> Yoshio: The question of which aggregate functions we support is a separate issue, but there should be some generic method of including them.
15:10:28 <ericP> I was, but ducked out in favor of Tom
15:10:32 <Yoshio> I agree
15:10:39 <Yoshio> to SimonR
15:10:42 <FarrukhNajmi> ACTION: Tom to folloowup
15:11:02 <afs> :AndyS sameAs :afs
15:11:02 <FarrukhNajmi> on posting response to sender and make no comittements on behalf of WG
15:11:14 <Yoshio> yea
15:11:41 <FarrukhNajmi> Where are we in agenda?
15:11:58 <DaveB> sec 3 use cases
15:12:03 <SimonR> DanC: Is this content selection for mobile devices draft based on CC/PP?
15:12:18 <kendall> zakim, mute me
15:12:18 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
15:12:30 <FarrukhNajmi> Whose speaking?
15:12:31 <DaveB> SteveH
15:13:03 <kendall> zakim, unmute me
15:13:03 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
15:13:04 <FarrukhNajmi> SteveH: Maybe we can get them to write what the query might look like
15:13:19 <FarrukhNajmi> Speaker?
15:13:32 <tom> tom has joined #dawg
15:13:32 <kendall> +1 RobS's point
15:13:45 <DanC> kendall, if you agree with rob's point, it would help to write it down
15:13:54 <DanC> I and the scribe are struggling to follow
15:13:59 <FarrukhNajmi> Sorry I lost it
15:14:12 <DanC> no apology necessary
15:14:19 <Yoshio> * Let's make more use of IRC!
15:14:35 <FarrukhNajmi> Trying... New to scribe and WG.
15:14:36 <kendall> DanC: huh?
15:14:43 <kendall> in IRC or in document?
15:15:45 <FarrukhNajmi> ?: WOuld be nice to have a liason
15:15:51 <ericP> DanC: acceptable to not liason with DI, but it would be nice to do so.
15:16:03 <SimonR> (That was from me Farrukh, the "liaison" comment)
15:16:25 <rob_> boolean or "grounded" queries
15:16:34 <ericP> count(*) > 0 is a true or false answer
15:16:35 <FarrukhNajmi> ? Want to be able to form a query that return boolean values
15:17:13 <afs> Or "LIMIT 1" - allows the query to stop as soon as one thing found.
15:17:27 <FarrukhNajmi> ?: Special case of zero variables returning boolean value is a special case of varaible bindings
15:17:39 <FarrukhNajmi> What was teh ACTION?
15:17:41 <DanC> ACTION Simon: write to the WG about boolean queries
15:17:53 <SimonR> ACTION: I'll write to the list and explain how a variable bind with zero variables is equivalent to boolean queries.
15:18:02 <ericP> ACTION Simon: explain how reporting 0 veriable bindings is equivilent to boolean response.
15:18:32 <ericP> hmm, i shouldn't have tried to clarify cause i can't remember how to get rid of 4
15:18:37 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:18:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review test materials http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~swh/TestSketchCases/" taken up [from DanC]
15:18:38 <ericP> sorry simon
15:18:50 <Zakim> -JimH
15:19:29 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Had discussion of datatype queries, somewhat tangential but did uncover some intersting impl experience
15:19:33 <SimonR> ericP: NP.  We're just all so redundantly helpful.  :)
15:20:05 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: EricP has written up a couple of tests
15:20:25 <FarrukhNajmi> Where are they: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~swh/TestSketchCases/ ?
15:20:27 <DaveB> ericp disjunction http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0615.html
15:20:27 <ericP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0598.html
15:20:37 <DanC> disjunction implementation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0630.html
15:20:53 <Yoshio> Zakim, mute Yoshio
15:20:53 <Zakim> Yoshio should now be muted
15:21:46 <FarrukhNajmi> Whats teh Action?
15:22:17 <ericP> start with "ACTION Steve:"
15:22:34 <SteveH> ACTION: SteveH to add ericP's disjunctions tests to test cases doc
15:22:41 <kendall> is there a way to have the bot tell us which actions it knows about?
15:22:54 <DanC> RRSAgent, list actions
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items:
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kendall: consider the larger comments from Brian and Yoshio post-publication [1]
15:22:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T14-43-08
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tom to folloowup [2]
15:22:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T15-10-42
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Simon to write to the WG about boolean queries [3]
15:22:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T15-17-41
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: I'll write to the list and explain how a variable bind with zero variables is equivalent to boolean queries. [4]
15:22:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T15-17-53
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Simon to explain how reporting 0 veriable bindings is equivilent to boolean response. [5]
15:22:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T15-18-02
15:22:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SteveH to add ericP's disjunctions tests to test cases doc [6]
15:22:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T15-22-34
15:23:29 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:23:29 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Requirements" taken up [from DanC]
15:23:49 <FarrukhNajmi> -- 3.4 Subgraph Results
15:24:23 <kendall> i believe jimh's action item is missing from the bot...fwiw
15:24:37 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Robs had said ...?. Eric gave an example of subgraph results
15:24:46 <Yoshio> I wonder if we can live without the "sub" but just "graph results"
15:24:54 <kendall> ACTION: JimH to elaborate his use case.
15:25:02 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Does not explain how it matches either
15:26:10 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Comes down to last 4 words of sub-graph results.
15:26:23 <FarrukhNajmi> Kendal: Already stricken.
15:26:38 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases#r3.4
15:27:37 <Zakim> +PatH
15:27:39 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Anyone object to adopting r3.4
15:27:51 <FarrukhNajmi> ?
15:27:58 <DaveB> Simon speaking 
15:28:04 <FarrukhNajmi> Simon and Ronb abstain
15:28:05 <patH> patH has joined #dawg
15:28:08 <Yoshio> abstain
15:28:14 <FarrukhNajmi> s/Ronb/RobS/
15:28:41 <FarrukhNajmi> AndyS: Does that mean we are striking 3.4a
15:28:45 <FarrukhNajmi> Kendal: Kill it
15:29:06 <FarrukhNajmi> Whats teh decision?
15:29:14 <kendall> ACTION: Strike  3.4a from doc
15:29:26 <kendall> ACTION: Move 3.4's status to ACCEPTED.
15:29:47 <FarrukhNajmi> -- 3.6 Optional Match
15:30:05 <FarrukhNajmi> ?: How to format 
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15:30:29 <FarrukhNajmi> Kendall: Prefer ASCII format
15:31:04 <FarrukhNajmi> Several people prefer ASCII
15:31:10 <FarrukhNajmi> What is the format for?
15:31:33 <Zakim> +[UMD]
15:31:35 <SimonR> It's for displaying sample results in tabular form.
15:31:40 <jhendler> zakim, [umd] is jimH
15:31:40 <Zakim> +jimH; got it
15:31:58 <FarrukhNajmi> 3.8 Bookmarkable Queries
15:32:12 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: No update. ACTION continues
15:32:55 <FarrukhNajmi> Discuss timing of f2f first day....
15:33:44 <FarrukhNajmi> How long a drive from LAX to venue. 90 Miles
15:34:05 <tom> tom has joined #dawg
15:34:06 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Chair nervous about people traveling day of meeting
15:34:22 <FarrukhNajmi> EricP: wants 30 min delay on first day of f2f
15:35:53 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Use reg form for ride coordination instead of WG list
15:36:10 <FarrukhNajmi> Not many people coming day of meeting
15:37:34 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: Start 9AM on day 1 of f2f
15:37:43 <FarrukhNajmi> Decision
15:38:05 <DanC> round streamable doodad http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0566.html
15:38:12 <DaveB> my reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0569.html
15:38:30 <DaveB> oops grammar
15:39:05 <FarrukhNajmi> AndyS: WOuld rather not have optional addition
15:39:53 <DaveB> "When returning multiple results there must be a form of the protocol
15:39:53 <DaveB> that allows streaming of results.  In this form, the results must be
15:39:53 <DaveB> returned to the client so that all the data in one result are
15:39:53 <DaveB> available before all the data for the next result."
15:40:08 <DaveB> +"This does not require an ordering of results"
15:41:06 <FarrukhNajmi> Several people for adding this requirements.
15:41:13 <FarrukhNajmi> Whose rasing conecrn?
15:41:16 <DaveB> RobS
15:41:16 <kendall> RobS
15:41:39 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Not in favor of adding this
15:41:41 <kendall> it's not more or less detailed than many other reqs
15:42:01 <kendall> danc: it seems to be someone in Boston. 781 area code.
15:42:05 <kendall> the breather, i mean
15:42:07 <FarrukhNajmi> Not me
15:42:11 <FarrukhNajmi> Im on mute
15:42:16 <FarrukhNajmi> and not breating much
15:42:19 <kendall> Farr: :>
15:42:25 <Yoshio> '^_^)
15:42:48 <patH> when the chair asks everyone to stop breathing, we rebel, OK?
15:43:01 <kendall> hehe
15:44:13 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Not worded in terms that client is asking for streaming of results
15:44:36 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: When return multiple results is irrelevant
15:44:54 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: The fact that such a protocol exists does not mean the server is using it
15:45:12 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC: DO you have a technical reason for not supporting this?
15:45:56 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: The words in teh requirement are not requiring that server stream results
15:46:20 <FarrukhNajmi> Simon speaking?
15:46:24 <kendall> JanneS.
15:46:35 <jhendler> q+ re: some query protocols and how they did this
15:46:36 <SimonR> Farrukh: No, I'm nor speaking.
15:46:41 <SimonR> nor/not
15:46:47 <jhendler> q+ to mention some query protocols and how they did this
15:46:52 <FarrukhNajmi> ACTION: Andy will write email clarifying this
15:47:16 <DanC> ack jhendler
15:47:16 <Zakim> jhendler, you wanted to mention some query protocols and how they did this
15:48:32 <FarrukhNajmi> JimH: A lot of things that do remote SQL server designed for knowl;edge base queries instead of db queries often assume that you have a lot of results
15:48:41 <kendall> JimH points out that many remote KB query protocols don't return results but, rather, a number and a pointer, so that client could "control" the returning of results.
15:48:49 <DanC> ack ericp
15:48:52 <kendall> JimH mentions OKBC, Parka, SQL, other stuff
15:48:52 <DanC> ack kendall
15:49:35 <FarrukhNajmi> Kendal: We need to ack that there is significant support to add this use case
15:49:49 <kendall> ACTION: JimH to send mail desribing the history of remote KB query, including any mention of Denial of Service problems that may be relevant.
15:50:20 <kendall> can i edit an action?
15:50:33 <Yoshio> * breathman again
15:50:55 <kendall> Return of BreathMan
15:51:04 <FarrukhNajmi> Its not me
15:51:18 <afs> I'm muted locally
15:51:32 <SimonR> Does anyone know the web architecture principles recommendation well enough to know whether there's a principle against stateful services?
15:51:53 <kendall> Simon: there isn't really anything explicitly, as I recall.
15:52:28 <FarrukhNajmi> RobS: Who is interested in adding requirement on disjunction?
15:52:43 <Yoshio> yoshio 
15:53:06 <FarrukhNajmi> Its not me. Please believe me :->
15:53:17 <kendall> Farrukh: I do. :>
15:53:53 <tom> Yes, I'm on mute also...
15:54:03 <kendall> who's in boston area?
15:54:10 <FarrukhNajmi> Me. But its not me
15:54:13 <kendall> it seems to be from an un-zakim-identified caller.  :>
15:54:22 <tom> tom has joined #dawg
15:54:46 <FarrukhNajmi> ACTION: EricP to chair in DanC absence. DanC traveling next week.
15:55:09 <Zakim> -[ASemantics]
15:55:11 <Zakim> -??P5
15:55:12 <Zakim> -RobS
15:55:15 <Zakim> -Kevin
15:55:17 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:55:18 <Zakim> -??P7
15:55:21 <KevinW> KevinW has left #dawg
15:55:23 <FarrukhNajmi> Thanks for all the help every one.
15:55:26 <Zakim> -JosD
15:55:30 <DaveB> looks like I was ??P7, heyho
15:55:30 <Zakim> - +1.781.942.aaaa
15:55:38 <Yoshio> Good bye Breathman
15:55:39 <Zakim> -jimH
15:55:40 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:55:40 <DaveB> DaveB has left #dawg
15:55:45 <kendall> Death to Breathman!
15:55:48 <kendall> :>
15:55:50 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:55:52 <FarrukhNajmi> Did I say it was not me :-;
15:55:54 <ericP> yoshio?
15:55:55 <FarrukhNajmi> :-;
15:55:59 <Yoshio> yes?
15:56:00 <kendall> Farrukh: really?! :>
15:56:09 <tom> Bye all.
15:56:10 <ericP> could you apply for another account?
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15:56:19 <Zakim> - +1.703.871.aabb
15:56:20 <Yoshio> what do you mean?
15:56:26 <Zakim> -PatH
15:56:33 <Zakim> - +1.714.539.aacc
15:56:37 <Zakim> -DanC
15:56:48 <Yoshio> Did they give me another account?
15:56:48 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:56:49 <ericP> yoship, are you still dialed in?
15:56:56 <ericP> yoshio?
15:57:03 <afs> afs has left #dawg
15:57:11 <ericP> zakim, who's here?
15:57:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yoshio (muted), EricP
15:57:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see jhendler, patH, kendall, RRSAgent, Zakim, ericP, DanC, SteveH, Yoshio
15:57:12 <Yoshio> no, hanged up
15:57:18 <Yoshio> ?
15:57:22 <ericP>  zakim missed it
15:57:24 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:57:31 <Zakim> -EricP
15:57:32 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:57:33 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.942.aaaa, Kevin, Yoshio, EricP, +1.703.871.aabb, RobS, [ASemantics], AndyS, SteveH, +1.714.539.aacc, Kendall_Clark, DanC, JosD, JimH, PatH
16:11:54 <DanC> kendall, yes, you can edit an action
16:12:07 <DanC> ala: action 7 = ...replacement text...
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17:07:25 <FarrukhNajmi> DanC where can I find the IRC log? I accidently closed the window. If not available online could you mail it to me? Thanks for all the help today.
17:08:29 <FarrukhNajmi> ericP in case DanC is out, would you be able to help with above?
17:31:35 <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
17:31:35 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/06/15-dawg-irc#T17-31-35
17:31:47 <DanC> there, FarrukhNajmi
17:31:53 <FarrukhNajmi> Thanks
17:32:02 <FarrukhNajmi> looking
17:32:16 <DanC> you can take the #T... part off
17:32:17 <FarrukhNajmi> Thx. cu
17:32:25 <DanC> welcome
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