IRC log of swbp on 2004-05-13

Timestamps are in UTC.

13:57:22 [RRSAgent]

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13:57:33 [RalphS]

zakim, this will be swbp

13:57:39 [Zakim]

ok, RalphS; I see SW_BPD()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

13:57:42 [RalphS]

zakim, this will be swbp

13:57:57 [Zakim]

ok, RalphS; I see SW_BPD()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

13:58:03 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()10:00AM has now started

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alistair has joined #swbp

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+??P4

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+ +1.760.812.aaaa

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+NickG

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+??P13

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+??P14

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+Ralph

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+??P18

14:01:53 [RalphS]

zakim, ??p14 is Alistair

14:01:53 [Zakim]

+Alistair; got it

14:02:06 [RalphS]

zakim, ??p13 is DavidN

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+DavidN; got it

14:02:23 [RalphS]

zakim, aaaa GaryNG

14:02:23 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'aaaa GaryNG', RalphS

14:02:28 [RalphS]

zakim, aaaa is GaryNG

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+GaryNG; got it

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zakim, ??p18 is Jeremy

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+Jeremy; got it

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+Evan_Wallace

14:03:28 [RalphS]

Meeting: SWBPD WG

14:03:32 [RalphS]

Chair: Ralph

14:03:41 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

14:03:41 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P4, GaryNG, NickG, DavidN, Alistair, Ralph, Jeremy, Evan_Wallace

14:03:56 [Zakim]

+Natasha_Noy

14:03:59 [RalphS]

zakim, ??p4 is Alan

14:03:59 [Zakim]

+Alan; got it

14:04:10 [Natasha]

Natasha has joined #swbp

14:04:24 [nmg]

nmg has joined #swbp

14:04:28 [RalphS]

Regrets: Fabien Gandon, Libby Miller, Thomas Baker, Jacco van Ossenbruggen, Jim Hendler, Deb McGuinness, Mike Uschold, Benjamin Nguyen, Aldo Gangemi

14:04:45 [RalphS]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0063.html

14:05:10 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please make logs world-visible

14:05:36 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

14:05:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Alan, GaryNG, NickG, DavidN, Alistair, Ralph, Jeremy, Evan_Wallace, Natasha_Noy

14:06:05 [RalphS]

previous: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0170.html

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PROPOSED to accept 0170

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RESOVED

14:06:37 [RalphS]

RESOLVED

14:07:42 [Zakim]

+Bernard_Vatant

14:07:56 [jjc]

Zakim, who's on the call?

14:07:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Alan, GaryNG, NickG, DavidN, Alistair, Ralph, Jeremy, Evan_Wallace, Natasha_Noy, Bernard_Vatant

14:08:17 [RalphS]

Toipic: Action Item review

14:08:20 [RalphS]

ACTION Ralph will list future dates and times for the telecons on the web site

14:08:25 [RalphS]

done, through 24 June http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/#Current

14:08:43 [RalphS]

ACTION Mike to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use in notes and email

14:08:50 [RalphS]

done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0197.html

14:09:01 [RalphS]

ACTION Guus to contribute a pattern on quantities for May 27th telecon

14:09:17 [RalphS]

continue

14:09:22 [RalphS]

ACTION Guus to contribute a pattern on qualified-cardinality restriction for May 27th telecon

14:09:26 [RalphS]

continue

14:09:30 [RalphS]

ACTION Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles by June 10th telecon

14:09:36 [RalphS]

continue

14:09:38 [RalphS]

ACTION Jeremey to check with Jos if he is participating in the XSCH TF

14:09:50 [RalphS]

done; Jos intends to participate

14:09:54 [RalphS]

ACTION Ralph to add completed and "under consideration" TFs to the description on the web page (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/#Tasks)

14:10:00 [RalphS]

continue

14:10:03 [RalphS]

ACTION Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the XSCH TF

14:10:08 [RalphS]

continue

14:10:12 [RalphS]

ACTION Ralph and Jeremy to update XSCH TF description

14:10:36 [RalphS]

Jeremy: there is an update but another update is needed

14:10:41 [RalphS]

continue

14:10:46 [RalphS]

ACTION Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list

14:10:56 [RalphS]

continue

14:11:04 [RalphS]

ACTION Aldo to review the progress in the WN TF at the next telecon (May 13th)

14:11:22 [RalphS]

ACTION Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list

14:11:23 [RalphS]

done

14:11:33 [jjc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0217.html

14:11:55 [RalphS]

ACTION Aldo to review the progress in the WN TF at the next telecon (May 13th)

14:11:55 [RalphS]

ACTION Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion on WN at the next telecon (May 13th)

14:12:04 [RalphS]

withdraw both actions

14:12:33 [RalphS]

ACTION Alistair, using the SKOS note as a strawman, to discuss how to adapt it to a WG note

14:12:47 [RalphS]

related: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0209.html

14:13:02 [RalphS]

action continued

14:13:18 [RalphS]

Alistair: reviewed some papers, will post a message in the next week

14:13:35 [RalphS]

... expect to post a 2-part note: descriptions of schema and how to use it, and notes from Amsterdam groups

14:13:47 [RalphS]

ACTION DanBri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF

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continue

14:13:59 [RalphS]

ACTION DanBri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair

14:14:09 [RalphS]

continue

14:14:12 [RalphS]

ACTION Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg

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continue

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ACTION Evan to report on the status of the UML profile for ontologies in June

14:14:36 [RalphS]

continue

14:14:46 [RalphS]

won't be done until June

14:14:50 [RalphS]

ACTION Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force.

14:14:55 [RalphS]

done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0057.html

14:15:35 [RalphS]

ACTION Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on test-repository

14:15:51 [RalphS]

done? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0048.html

14:16:10 [RalphS]

continue

14:16:15 [RalphS]

ACTION Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and tricks"

14:16:20 [RalphS]

continue

14:16:28 [RalphS]

ACTION Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next telecon.

14:16:37 [RalphS]

done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004May/0075.html

14:17:05 [RalphS]

Topic: Task Force report

14:17:14 [RalphS]

OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns

14:17:49 [RalphS]

Natasha: close-to-final draft of classes-as-values posted yesterday

14:18:12 [jjc]

q+ to suggest first publication with explicit plan for second

14:18:12 [RalphS]

... n-ary relations draft is under discussion, will probably be revised next week

14:18:19 [Zakim]

jjc, you wanted to suggest first publication with explicit plan for second

14:18:43 [RalphS]

Jeremy: felt that the proposed publication was a little premature, but also value in publishing early and often

14:18:55 [RalphS]

... haven't yet reached consensus on n-ary draft

14:19:23 [RalphS]

... would like first publication to give an explicit view to a second publication

14:20:13 [RalphS]

... level of consensus ought to be documented, but does not have to be complete

14:22:01 [RalphS]

Bernard: concerning public review, can we include testimonials or other real-world comments about applications?

14:22:22 [RalphS]

... I have two real-world applications where classes as values are critical

14:22:32 [jjc]

q+ to suggest putting it in W3C format

14:22:51 [Zakim]

jjc, you wanted to suggest putting it in W3C format

14:23:41 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ralph provide W3C style pointers to Natasha

14:25:20 [RalphS]

THES - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL

14:25:36 [RalphS]

(no representative)

14:25:54 [RalphS]

WordNET

14:26:08 [RalphS]

(no representative)

14:26:13 [RalphS]

XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes

14:26:27 [RalphS]

WRLD - World View

14:26:50 [RalphS]

Jeremy: I will get an HP response to Jim's message

14:27:22 [RalphS]

... HP is still considering this issue

14:27:51 [RalphS]

DavidN: at the moment I sort-of agree with Jim, but it is important that WRLD get going at some point

14:27:59 [RalphS]

WRLD - World View

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Coordinator: Jim HendlerREGRETS

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XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes

14:28:31 [RalphS]

Jeremy: since last meeting we have a fairly good membership from the WG

14:28:42 [RalphS]

... Pat Hayes and Jos are intending to participate

14:29:03 [RalphS]

... interaction with the XML Schema WG is main issue

14:29:10 [RalphS]

[Ralph confesses to fumbling that ball]

14:34:27 [Zakim]

-Evan_Wallace

14:34:29 [Zakim]

-Alan

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-NickG

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-Jeremy

14:34:32 [Zakim]

-DavidN

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-Natasha_Noy

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-Bernard_Vatant

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-GaryNG

14:34:35 [RalphS]

next meeting: 27 May, 1800Z

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-Alistair

14:34:39 [RalphS]

adjourned

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-Ralph

14:34:51 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.760.812.aaaa, NickG, Ralph, Alistair, DavidN, GaryNG, Jeremy, Evan_Wallace, Natasha_Noy, Alan, Bernard_Vatant

14:39:29 [RalphS]

rrsagent, bye

14:39:29 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item:

14:39:29 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph provide W3C style pointers to Natasha [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/05/13-swbp-irc#T14-23-41