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14:25:44 <DanC_> yoshio, stay on, please!
14:25:46 <patH> have we started, or what?
14:25:49 <DanC_> else Zakim will lose its marbles
14:25:54 <DanC_> we're scheduled to start in 5min
14:26:00 <bryan> ok - coming back on now.
14:26:00 <patH> ok, 5 min
14:26:05 <Zakim> +BryanT
14:26:26 <rob_> rob_ has joined #dawg
14:26:32 <DanC_> mornin, rob!
14:26:46 <rob_> what's the number to dial in?
14:27:10 <DanC_> +1.617.761.6200 per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0212.html
14:27:20 <DanC_> conference 7333 ("RDFD")
14:27:22 <Yoshio> * what has happened to Zakim? calling me 5 min. earlier
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14:27:49 <Zakim> + +1.760.476.aaaa
14:27:53 <Zakim> +DanC
14:28:15 <Zakim> -DanC
14:28:19 <Zakim> +DanC
14:28:25 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
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14:28:53 <DanC_> Zakim, aaaa is rob_
14:28:54 <Zakim> +NickG
14:28:55 <Zakim> +rob_; got it
14:29:11 <DanC_> Zakim, NickG is temporarily SteveH
14:29:12 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:29:14 <Zakim> +EricP
14:29:18 <Zakim> +??P34
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14:29:26 <AndyS> zakim, ??P34 is AndyS
14:29:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:29:39 <Zakim> +PatH
14:29:57 <Zakim> +Kevin
14:30:04 <kendall> ericP: i moved the images to not float:right and boxed them; but getting an annoying href artifact that i'm hating. :>
14:30:12 <Zakim> -EricP
14:30:25 <Zakim> +HowardK
14:30:35 <Zakim> +EricP
14:30:36 <DanC_> Zakim, take up agendum 1
14:30:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review agenda (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0212.html) and misc actions" taken up [from DanC_]
14:30:45 <DanC_> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:30:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see HowardK, Yoshio, BryanT, rob_, DanC, Kendall_Clark, SteveH, EricP, AndyS, PatH, Kevin
14:30:58 <Zakim> +Tayeb
14:31:03 <ericP> kendall, the svg link href?
14:31:18 <Zakim> + +1.781.454.aabb
14:31:22 <kendall> ericp: yes
14:31:37 <DanC_> Zakim, aabb is Farrukh
14:31:37 <Zakim> +Farrukh; got it
14:32:34 <rob_> jean francois is Tayeb?
14:32:34 <DanC_> regrets: Dirk, Alberto
14:32:45 <DanC_> Zakim, Tayeb is JeffB
14:32:45 <Zakim> +JeffB; got it
14:33:06 <DanC_> ACTION DanC: inform the TAG of the conflict between sec13.9 of the HTTP
14:33:06 <DanC_> spec and TAG's recommendation on issue 7
14:33:41 <DanC_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0212.html
14:34:24 <DanC_> Zakim, next agendum
14:34:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. "record of telcon 15 Apr, Amsterdam ftf meeting" taken up [from DanC_]
14:34:49 <rob_> seconded by andyS
14:35:08 <Zakim> + +358.925.aacc
14:35:23 <DanC_> Zakim, aacc is JanneS
14:35:23 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:35:42 <rob_> no objections; adopted
14:35:55 <DanC_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf1
14:36:04 <DanC_> Revision 1.51
14:36:15 <rob_> record of ftf supported by DanC and several others
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14:36:25 <rob_> (am I the only one hearing a new echo)
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14:36:27 <DanC_> Zakim, next item
14:36:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Use cases draft status" taken up [from DanC_]
14:36:38 <Zakim> +JosD
14:36:45 <AndyS> I hear an echo 
14:36:52 <SteveH> me too
14:36:54 <thompsonbry> me too.
14:36:58 <Yoshio> me too.
14:37:00 <DanC_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/UseCases 1.38
14:37:04 <ericP> did the echo come with Jos or before?
14:37:07 <rob_> agenda written against 1.28; now 1.38
14:37:12 <thompsonbry> with danc I think.
14:37:12 <rob_> before Jos
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14:37:24 <DanC_> ACTION RobS: to generate some RDF (in some form) for 5.1.1.
14:37:40 <DanC_> DONE: ACTION EricP: to generate a diagram of a query discussed in the use cases document.
14:37:53 <DanC_> ACTION Kendall: to work with Alberto on 5.1.3.
14:38:03 <DanC_> DONE: ACTION Kendall: to look at Yoshio's use cases.
14:38:17 <DanC_> DONE: ACTION: AndyS, EricP to review kendallC draft by 4 May telcon
14:38:22 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0223.html
14:38:36 <rob_> (and now a really nasty hum with Andy)
14:38:49 <thompsonbry> can not understand andy between buzz and echo
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14:39:13 <howardk> eric: nice diagram on use case 2.2! any way of inverting the left-hand property arc? hard to read upside down
14:39:31 <DanC_> (regrets DaveB)
14:40:01 <kendall> 2.2 diagram should be for 2.1 -- it's misplaced in the doc
14:40:24 <ericP> howard, re diagram, will try. requires some svg fiddling.
14:40:50 <rob_> andys: easy to get picky over req wording; unavoidable to argue
14:41:04 <Zakim> -JeffB
14:41:10 <rob_> note that our tech will support use cases, but not necessarily solve them all
14:41:27 <rob_> as: there is no clear "tell me about" use case
14:41:47 <rob_> as: partly covered by Motorcycle parts (3.2)
14:42:25 <rob_> 3.2 in latest version at least; previous versions use different numbering
14:42:54 <Zakim> +JeffB
14:43:02 <rob_> as: we should get community feedback on "tell me about"
14:43:09 <thompsonbry> are or are not covering what?  I am missing the central point.
14:43:28 <kendall> thompsonbry: the "tell me everything about foo" kind of query
14:43:41 <rob_> 2.8: photos of friend kind of references "tell me about" as well
14:43:51 <rob_> as: we should add a "tell me about"
14:44:58 <rob_> rob: steveH was planning to include "browser" use case to demonstrate this req
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14:45:49 <DanC_> ok if I mute you, Janne?
14:46:05 <DanC_> Zakim, mute JanneS
14:46:05 <Zakim> JanneS should now be muted
14:46:13 <rob_> discussin of whether 3.2 really addressed tell me about...
14:46:23 <rob_> patH: 3.2 is very ambitious
14:46:31 <kendall> 2.2
14:46:38 <Zakim> + +1.441.234.aadd
14:46:38 <rob_> danC: use cases can be more ambitious than what we'll really do
14:46:48 <DaveB> Zakim, aadd is DaveB
14:46:48 <Zakim> +DaveB; got it
14:48:10 <rob_> rob: use cases can't cover open-ended things unless they're explicit
14:48:22 <rob_> andyS was talking about req, not UC
14:48:36 <rob_> andys: can we use separate mailing list to discuss doc?
14:48:45 <rob_> danc likes separate list
14:48:53 <thompsonbry> How about just a UC: prefix?  That seems easier.
14:48:57 <rob_> several for, several against
14:49:46 <JanneS> (i'm ok muted for now)
14:49:47 <rob_> danc: sometimes useful to separate response to comments from discussion
14:49:57 <rob_> Zakim, who's talking
14:49:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', rob_
14:50:03 <rob_> Zakim, who's talking?
14:50:14 <Zakim> rob_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kendall_Clark (16%), DaveB (9%), BryanT (37%), rob_ (4%), Yoshio (10%), DanC (34%), AndyS (10%), EricP (25%),
14:50:17 <Zakim> ... Farrukh (9%)
14:50:46 <rob_> danc: WG list is for group, other is for public
14:51:22 <rob_> decision to set up separate list for public discussion of doc
14:51:40 <DanC_> ACTION EricP: set up a public comment list; DanC and EricP to choose a name
14:51:48 <rob_> andys: no puns (no support from anyone else)
14:51:56 <kendall> dog-groom
14:52:45 <rob_> dawg-show
14:52:46 <ericP> will name something like foo-comments
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14:54:20 <rob_> some of the diagrams are in the wrong place...
14:54:32 <rob_> danc: looking at 1.39
14:54:33 <ericP> i note that i also provided no completions for  [XXX:finish]
14:55:17 <kendall> diagrams are in the  right spot as of 1.39
14:55:23 <Zakim> -DaveB
14:56:09 <Zakim> +DaveB
14:56:17 <rob_> chosen foaf:name instead of given or anything else
14:56:24 <rob_> (no objections from anyone)
14:56:29 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2004/03/dots/pim1-Aimg.png
14:56:38 <ericP> (with more arcs)
14:57:10 <rob_> should we replace question marks with bnodes?
14:57:21 <DaveB> q+ to ask about sec 3 title - candidate requirements?
14:57:49 <rob_> danc: are diagrams data or queries?
14:58:02 <rob_> first one is query (email address)
14:58:16 <rob_> second is query (publishing)
14:58:23 <rob_> danc: need to make clearer contrast
14:58:40 <rob_> andyS: write data in N3
14:58:47 <rob_> maybe just change color
14:59:00 <kendall> i like the idea  of doing n3 for data, diagram for query
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15:00:09 <rob_> rob: I don't think we should put queries into use cases
15:00:35 <rob_> many voted against query in RDF syntax, so why are we trying to draw RDF diagrams for queries?
15:00:50 <DaveB> data in rdf, that's fine
15:00:55 <kendall> because we don't have the "real" syntax yet!
15:02:10 <rob_> eric: no concrete data for media example...
15:02:35 <rob_> howardK: replace query thing with data in place of variables
15:02:46 <rob_> many for showing data, not queries
15:02:59 <rob_> questions about how response should come back
15:03:15 <rob_> danc: mail your comments
15:03:31 <rob_> let's talk about schedule
15:03:57 <DaveB> danc says http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0215.html
15:04:22 <Yoshio> q+ to ask what people here think about issues addressed in the "RDF Query and Rules Framework"
15:04:53 <rob_> that sched leaves two telecons...
15:05:21 <rob_> kendal: will stop adding stuff and work reactively
15:05:35 <kendall> please, my name is kenda*ll* :>
15:05:45 <DaveB> q?
15:05:48 <rob_> picky picky
15:06:47 <rob_> supporting a document does not necessarily mean you support it content; i.e. the requirements
15:07:26 <rob_> danc: this means we don't publish before WWW
15:07:53 <kendall> end of www'04 is 21 May
15:07:59 <DanC_> ack dave
15:07:59 <Zakim> DaveB, you wanted to ask about sec 3 title - candidate requirements?
15:08:08 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:08:22 <rob_> DaveB: make clear that these are candidate reqs
15:08:42 <rob_> danc: change doc to candidate reqs
15:08:47 <Yoshio> how about having objectives section?
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15:10:07 <Zakim> +??P60
15:10:07 <DanC_> 1.39 has a start of a "4. Design Objectives" section
15:10:49 <rob_> howardK what's the diff between req and objective (sec 3 and 4)
15:10:50 <DanC_> Zakim, ??P60 is SteveH
15:10:50 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
15:11:16 <rob_> reqs got lots of votes and little opposition
15:11:28 <rob_> objectives were more mixed in f2f voting
15:11:37 <rob_> reqs will be critical path; others just desirable
15:11:48 <DanC_> s/voting/polling/
15:11:52 <rob_> meant f2f straw polls
15:12:24 <rob_> yoshio: how are links made between UC and reqs?
15:12:44 <Yoshio> sorry, it was not me
15:12:52 <rob_> sorry; who said that?
15:13:31 <howardk> I believe that was Farouk (sp?)
15:13:32 <rob_> kendalll: can link from UC to req via "motivates" relation
15:13:57 <rob_> that might be solving the problem
15:14:48 <rob_> we chould publish without links, add them later
15:15:00 <rob_> kendall: comments ASAP
15:15:20 <rob_> date and time are out of left field
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15:15:44 <Yoshio> making links would help us check missing requerements, I think though
15:15:52 <rob_> doc does not mention int or float
15:16:23 <rob_> andys: two discussions at f2f, one about datatypes and another specifically about date/time
15:16:23 <DaveB> we did not straw poll on int & float, it was skipped
15:16:52 <JanneS> it appeared to be as if int & float were taken for granted without need for poll
15:16:59 <kendall> i agree with JanneS
15:17:04 <DaveB> yes
15:17:05 <rob_> datatype related to "exploring neighborhood"
15:17:09 <howardk> yes
15:17:37 <rob_> kendall: we took int and float for granted
15:18:02 <rob_> danc: obviously necessary; add to reqs
15:18:45 <rob_> what about strings?
15:18:53 <rob_> rob: equality good, comarisions bad
15:19:03 <rob_> literals are strings + language
15:19:44 <rob_> let's skip ahead on the agenda to reqs
15:20:26 <thompsonbry> +q on extensibility (3.3)
15:20:36 <thompsonbry> q+ on extensibility (3.3)
15:20:54 <DaveB> !
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15:21:04 <rob_> rob: let's drop date+time
15:21:17 <DaveB> q+ on 3.1 multi-edged paths
15:21:37 <Yoshio> No I am on the queue!
15:21:38 <rob_> howardK: date+time operations very complex
15:21:41 <JanneS> (can you unmute me? I'll call again if I contribute echo)
15:22:06 <JanneS> q+ defend 3.7
15:22:09 <rob_> danc: let's stick to what we've got
15:22:30 <rob_> current doc gives one DT priority arbitrarily
15:22:35 <rob_> nobody speaks out for reqs
15:22:40 <JanneS>  I AM
15:23:00 <DaveB> DanC?
15:23:11 <DanC_> ack jannes
15:23:46 <howardk> me too. I'll make my "simple" date and times caveat more explicit via email
15:23:48 <rob_> elaborate 3.7 to include integers and floats
15:25:31 <rob_> 3.3 appears to offer extensibility for datatypes
15:26:27 <JanneS> i'll call again
15:26:31 <patH> This may be relevant, soon-to-anounced SWRL spec:http://www.daml.org/2004/04/swrl/builtins
15:26:35 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:26:36 <rob_> danc: let's not wordsmith; are we happy with what we've got or not?
15:27:09 <Zakim> +??P42
15:27:35 <rob_> danc: going back to 3.1 and doing them in order
15:31:59 <DaveB> it shouldn't be saying that
15:32:07 <rob_> ACTION: rewrite 3.1 (AndyS + JF)
15:32:16 <rob_> (how do I assign actions to particualr people)
15:32:26 <DaveB> say ACTION abc: do something
15:33:18 <rob_> on to 3.2
15:35:07 <JanneS> (I need to leave in 5 minutes)
15:35:41 <DaveB> no voting
15:35:52 <DaveB> and *candidate* requirements
15:36:04 <rob_> there was consensus against the general "easy return" thing, but people liked this one
15:36:06 <DanC_> "lack of support" is the wording I'd use.
15:36:08 <rob_> (rob is still against)
15:37:56 <DanC_> patH: s/queries to return/query results to specify/
15:38:04 <Zakim> -Farrukh
15:39:02 <rob_> danc: let's hold of on discussion until Pat writes something
15:39:32 <DanC_> ACTION PatH: summarize query/binding experience from DQL
15:39:49 <rob_> some support for 3.3
15:40:01 <rob_> pat objects to 3.3
15:40:12 <rob_> no definition of extensibility
15:40:13 <kendall> bryan objects to 3.3
15:40:51 <rob_> "using extensiblity here means we can't use it anywhere else"
15:41:13 <DaveB> of course there are other requirements; do you support these ones!
15:41:30 <rob_> abstain on req; object to title
15:41:47 <Zakim> -Yoshio
15:41:51 <Yoshio> Zakim, call Yoshio
15:41:51 <Zakim> I am sorry, Yoshio; I do not know a number for Yoshio
15:42:13 <rob_> it's not part of query langauge to calculate with values
15:42:21 <Zakim> +Yoshio
15:43:36 <rob_> change title
15:43:37 <Yoshio> but to pass the code needed to the server should be part of the query language, I guess
15:43:51 <rob_> "extensible value processing"
15:44:07 <rob_> not crazy about it; would abstain at worst
15:45:37 <DanC_> "Extenstible value testing"
15:45:41 <DaveB> +1
15:45:47 <ericP> +1
15:45:58 <rob_> consensus...or exhaustion...
15:46:16 <rob_> objections have faded away
15:46:43 <rob_> we are voting on this req
15:46:51 <rob_> bryan objects
15:46:56 <rob_> rob abstains
15:47:18 <rob_> janne abstains
15:47:20 <ericP> ericP abstrains on a formal requirement
15:47:31 <rob_> JF abstains
15:47:34 <DanC_> Zakim, who's one the phone?
15:47:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, DanC_.
15:47:41 <DanC_> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:47:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see HowardK, JosD, JeffB, DaveB, SteveH, ??P42, Yoshio, BryanT, rob_, DanC, Kendall_Clark, EricP, AndyS, PatH, Kevin
15:47:59 <Yoshio> Yoshio wants to see concrete documents before voting 
15:48:08 <rob_> requirement is adopted
15:48:26 <rob_> bt: it's premature to vote on this.
15:49:00 <DaveB> the first requirement's premature!?
15:49:01 <rob_> rob notes that he wasn't ready to make a decision
15:49:38 <Yoshio> I don't understand the change in 3.3 (in my honest opinion)
15:50:07 <rob_> (did yoshio vote in favor? did he mean to?)
15:50:33 <Yoshio> I want to know the current description of 3.3
15:50:51 <rob_> You just voted. How did you intend to vote, Yoshio?
15:51:01 <AndyS> "extensible value testing" I think
15:51:05 <kendall> 3.3 Extensible Value Testing -- current state
15:51:07 <ericP> Yoshio, the change in wording allows two things: addition of more extensibility mechanisms, and constriained arbitrary operations to (simpler) testing operations
15:51:22 <kendall> plus obvious changes in the following text; mostly s/processing/testing/
15:51:32 <JanneS> (I need to leave now: I will vote for 3.7 and for adding either a) more text to 3.7 to include int & float or a new requirement for int & float). I would love to hear comments from DAML etc. experience why these types are so hard as someone mentioned earlier during the call.
15:51:45 <rob_> on to 3.4
15:52:20 <JanneS> (Rob, will you copy&paste my previous comment once you get to 3.7?)
15:52:23 <rob_> andys: at f2f we tried to go for strong wording
15:52:34 <ericP> s/MUST/might/? probably not so helpful.
15:52:39 <rob_> which comment? post it again
15:52:51 <JanneS> I need to leave now: I will vote for 3.7 and for adding either a) more text to 3.7 to include int & float or a new requirement for int & float). I would love to hear comments from DAML etc. experience why these types are so hard as someone mentioned earlier during the call.
15:53:01 <rob_> your comment is noted, janne
15:53:08 <JanneS> thanks!
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15:53:35 <Zakim> -??P42
15:55:24 <DanC_> (I'm not likely to put questions to exclude requirements, rob.)
15:55:37 <ericP> i agree, what is "query" doing in "original query graph"?
15:55:38 <DaveB> [[ * Query results as a sub-graph of the queried RDF graph (straw poll: yes 10, no: 2)]] -ftfreq
15:55:48 <ericP> perhaps "queried" graph?
15:55:50 <rob_> so we waste time talking about things that a small minority are interested in, forever?
15:56:23 <DanC_> no, (a) not forever, and (b) I called for support 1st.
15:56:27 <kendall> small minority? it straw polled strongly, as I recall.
15:56:30 <DanC_> I didn't hear "a small minority"
15:56:33 <kendall> at least 10 positives
15:56:35 <rob_> the idea is that you can perform queries and then perform the same query against that result, and get it back
15:57:38 <rob_> there is more to inferencing than inferred triples
15:58:14 <Yoshio> It is for searching the support issue, I guess
15:58:56 <rob_> comments on "determinism"
15:59:14 <rob_> danc: let's leave this to email
15:59:19 <DanC_> ACTION EricP, SteveH...
15:59:47 <rob_> move to 3.5
15:59:49 <ericP> ACTION: EricP write up implementation experience of 3.4 Subgraph Results
15:59:52 <rob_> rob supports, a few others
16:00:13 <ericP> ACTION: SteveH to express objections to 3.4 Subgraph Results
16:00:13 <SteveH> +1
16:00:14 <rob_> this is about working without a network connection
16:00:39 <rob_> bryan speaks against:
16:01:36 <rob_> brian: don't mention "access protocol"
16:01:49 <DanC_> brian suggests s/not depend on the access protocol and should//
16:02:50 <rob_> brian seconds vote on 3.5
16:02:52 <rob_> no objections
16:02:55 <rob_> no abstentions
16:03:01 <rob_> adopted
16:03:20 <DanC_> RESOLVED: by consensus to adopt local queries as ammended s/not depend on the access protocol and should//
16:03:38 <rob_> (are we expecting to extend this meeting?)
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16:04:06 <kendall>       <p>The query language must be suitable for use in accessing
16:04:06 <kendall>       local RDF data&mdash;that is, the same machine or same system
16:04:07 <kendall>       process.</p>
16:04:25 <DanC_> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:25 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JeffB
16:04:26 <rob_> volunteers for scribing next week?
16:04:29 <DanC_> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JeffB
16:04:30 <DanC_> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose PatH
16:04:41 <DanC_> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:41 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose rob_
16:04:43 <DanC_> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DaveB
16:05:14 <DanC_> scribe next week: DaveB
16:05:26 <DanC_> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:05:48 <DaveB> donm is 11th May
16:05:48 <rob_> adjourned
16:05:53 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
16:06:02 <Zakim> -DaveB
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16:06:31 <Zakim> -Yoshio
16:06:38 <Zakim> -rob_
16:06:43 <Zakim> -BryanT
16:07:13 <Zakim> -JosD
16:07:21 <patH> http://www.daml.org/2004/04/swrl/builtins
16:07:26 <Zakim> -JeffB
16:07:53 <Zakim> -Kevin
16:08:04 <Zakim> -DanC
16:08:07 <Zakim> -PatH
16:08:08 <Zakim> -SteveH
16:08:09 <Zakim> -HowardK
16:08:11 <Zakim> -AndyS
16:08:28 <Zakim> -EricP
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16:08:30 <Zakim> Attendees were BryanT, Yoshio, PatH, +1.760.476.aaaa, DanC, Kendall_Clark, rob_, SteveH, EricP, AndyS, Kevin, HowardK, +1.781.454.aabb, Farrukh, JeffB, +358.925.aacc, JanneS, JosD,
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