18:05:18 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #swbp
18:05:32 <Guus> zakim, ??p2 is Alistair
18:05:32 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
18:07:10 <Zakim> +??P9
18:07:18 <jjc> Zakim, ?P9 is jeremy
18:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P9'
18:07:22 <jjc> Zakim, ??P9 is jeremy
18:07:22 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
18:07:28 <danbri> zakim, who is on the phone?
18:07:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, Bristol, +1.408.358.aaaa, Fabien (muted), MikeU, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Alistair, jeremy
18:07:31 <Zakim> Bristol has libby
18:07:37 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
18:07:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, Bristol, +1.408.358.aaaa, Fabien (muted), MikeU, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Alistair, jeremy
18:07:40 <Zakim> Bristol has libby
18:07:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Natasha, Guus, fg, Zakim, dlm, jeremy, aliman, danbri, libby, Benjamin, bijan
18:07:42 <danbri> zakim, Bristol holds libby, danbri
18:07:42 <Zakim> libby was already listed in Bristol, danbri
18:07:45 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
18:07:46 <danbri> zakim, Bristol holds libby danbri
18:07:49 <Zakim> danbri was already listed in Bristol, danbri
18:07:51 <Zakim> +libby; got it
18:07:59 <danbri> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0170.html 
18:08:03 <jeremy> Zakim, mute jeremy
18:08:09 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
18:08:16 <Natasha> Proposed: accept minutes of last telecon
18:08:26 <Natasha> Deb: addition to the minutes in her message
18:08:49 <Natasha> Resolved: accept the minutes
18:11:17 <Natasha> Discussion on time: Guus proposes to have alternating times
18:11:22 <Natasha> Deb: have two fixed alternating times
18:11:59 <Natasha> One time: Thursday 1400 UTC
18:12:15 <Natasha> Another time also fixed: Thursday 1800UTC
18:12:32 <Natasha> Shift these hours after we are out of DST
18:14:11 <Natasha> Deb: suggests a listing of future dates and times for telecon on the web page
18:14:18 <Natasha> ACTION: Guus will as Ralph to do that
18:15:20 <Natasha> Resolved: alternating  times for telecons
18:15:23 <Natasha> Actio nitem review
18:15:30 <Natasha>   ACTION: Jeremy write TF desc for XML Schema
18:15:31 <Natasha> completed
18:15:39 <Natasha>    ACTION: Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg
18:15:47 <Natasha> continued
18:15:52 <Natasha>    ACTION: DanBri investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note
18:16:10 <Natasha> dropped
18:16:20 <Natasha>    ACTION: Jacco list issues about a link to MPEG
18:16:25 <Natasha> completed
18:16:31 <Natasha>    ACTION: Evan report the status of the <type?> ontologies in June.
18:17:00 <Natasha> changed to: Evan to report on the status of the uML profile for ontologies
18:17:07 <Natasha> continued
18:17:14 <Natasha>    ACTION: Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force.
18:17:16 <Natasha> continued
18:17:20 <Natasha>    ACTION: Natasha to update the note and summarize email discussion
18:17:29 <Natasha> completed
18:17:34 <Natasha>    ACTION: Guus discuss PORT/THES w/DanB for next telecon
18:17:46 <Natasha> on the agenda for today, actio ncompleted
18:17:54 <Natasha>    ACTION: Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on
18:17:54 <Natasha>            test-repository
18:18:49 <Natasha> continued
18:19:00 <Natasha>    ACTION: Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and
18:19:00 <Natasha>            tricks"
18:19:19 <Natasha> to be dicussed later in the telecon
18:19:25 <Natasha>    ACTION: Natasha start email discussion summarizing the "note".
18:19:28 <Natasha> completed
18:19:36 <Natasha>    ACTION: Guus invite two WG Chrisyaine Feldman as Invited Expert.
18:19:42 <Natasha> completed
18:19:48 <Natasha>  ACTION: Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next
18:19:48 <Natasha>            telecon.
18:20:01 <Natasha> Suggested date May 27th for this discussion
18:20:24 <Natasha> the last 30 minutes of that telecon will be the WordNet discussion
18:21:21 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute jeremy
18:21:21 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
18:21:29 <Natasha> Discussion on human-friendly syntax
18:22:44 <Natasha> suggestion to use turtle in  examples
18:23:29 <Natasha> MikeU: use Turtle in documents that we produce, but no restriction on what to use in email discussions
18:24:09 <Natasha> ACTION: Mike Uschold to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use
18:25:34 <aliman> Example of using turtle in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0183.html
18:26:23 <aditya> aditya has joined #swbp
18:27:04 <Natasha> Postponed the discussion on Tom Baker's suggestions
18:27:23 <jeremy> Zakim, mute jeremy
18:27:23 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
18:27:40 <Natasha> OEP TF discussion
18:30:25 <aldoG> aldoG has joined #Swbp
18:31:34 <Natasha> Publication plans
18:31:58 <Natasha> Suggestions to publish the note now and put a preamble that it will be part of a larger document
18:31:59 <aldoG> I'm calling just now, sorry I was lost in traffic ...
18:32:23 <Natasha> Also publish a template to use for the notes
18:34:34 <Natasha> discussion on whether we should have a normative template for notes now or after we have a few notes
18:34:56 <Natasha> it seems that there is an agreement to wait
18:35:28 <Natasha> Guus: we need to agree on notes before they are published on the web site
18:35:35 <Zakim> +??P11
18:35:45 <danbri> zakim, ??P11 is aldo
18:35:45 <Zakim> +aldo; got it
18:36:02 <Guus> zakim, ??p11 is Aldo
18:36:02 <Zakim> I already had ??P11 as aldo, Guus
18:36:04 <fg> If we're going for small-sized notes with an overall document, we should also have a "See Also" section inside the note for people who come directly to the note (ex: through Google)
18:36:10 <Natasha> For example, after one or more iterations on the classes as values note Natasha will mae a proposal to the group to publish it
18:37:04 <Natasha> We decide at the telecon for publishing it (next or  the one after that)
18:37:19 <Natasha> Goal to have a decision by May 27th
18:37:25 <Ralph> Ralph has joined #swbp
18:37:46 <Zakim> +Ralph
18:38:14 <Ralph> [sorry for being late; I got tied up in a meeting with no network access]
18:39:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-38-14
18:39:19 <Natasha> Suggested patterns: observations and quantities
18:39:32 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make logs public
18:39:36 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make logs world
18:40:44 <Natasha> ACTION: Guus to contribute the pattern on quantities (for May 27th telecon)
18:41:19 <Natasha> Deb: closing roles pattern (from webont)
18:41:25 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute jeremy
18:41:25 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
18:41:35 <jeremy> q+ to ask about WG review
18:41:51 <Natasha> Mike: other topics that are related to classes as values
18:42:17 <Ralph> [re: http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-14-11 -- I accept action to list meeting dates and times on WG home page]
18:43:37 <Natasha> Discussion of the qualified-cardinality restriction pattern
18:45:07 <Natasha> ACTION: Guus will write the pattern for qualified-cardinality restriction (for May 27th)
18:46:06 <Natasha> ACTION: Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles (June 10th)
18:47:24 <Natasha> WG review of the notes: assign 1-2 reviewers for notes outside the TF
18:47:56 <Natasha> After the note is proposed for publication, have a 2-week period for review
18:48:31 <Natasha> XML Schema Datatypes discussion
18:49:05 <Natasha> Jeremy reviews his description at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0125.html
18:53:00 <Natasha> Ralph notes that he has put some of TF descriptions on the web site, extracting the descriptions from emails
18:53:12 <Natasha> about 24 hours ago
18:53:12 <danbri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/#Tasks
18:53:36 <Natasha> it lists only active TFs
18:53:55 <Natasha> would like to have TFs "under consideration", and completed as well
18:54:01 <danbri> [someone is too close to their microphone]
18:54:29 <Natasha> Back to XML Schema Datatypes
18:54:44 <Natasha> Participants: Ralph, Jos?
18:55:05 <Natasha> ACTION: Jeremy? to check with Jos if he is participating in the TF
18:55:49 <Natasha> The TF is very important, but no guarantee of success
18:56:20 <Natasha> The scope is "XML Scema datatypes as used on the SW" rather than general use of XML Schema datatypes
18:57:20 <Natasha> Suggested: to invite the XML Schema WG to invite them to participate draft in 
18:57:30 <Natasha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0160.html
18:58:26 <Ralph> zakim, please mute aldo
18:58:26 <Zakim> aldo should now be muted
18:58:50 <Natasha> ACTION: Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the TF 
18:59:06 <Natasha> ACTION: Update the TF description
18:59:37 <jeremy> Zakim, mute jeremy
18:59:37 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
19:00:02 <Natasha> Discussion of the WN TF
19:00:07 <Ralph> action-21
19:00:20 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph update TF description
19:00:26 <Ralph> action-22
19:00:42 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph & Jeremy update XSCH TF description
19:02:55 <Natasha> ACTION: Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list
19:03:14 <Natasha> ACTION: Aldo to review the progress in the TF at the next telecon
19:03:42 <Natasha> Suggested that the TF prepares the discussion of the difficult technical points on May 27th
19:03:48 <Natasha> 1. agreeing on the URI
19:03:59 <danbri> q+
19:04:11 <Natasha> 2. Making the OWL disitribution part of the regular distribution of WordNet
19:04:45 <Natasha> Controversial issue: producing view files for each synset
19:05:07 <Natasha> or having a knowledge server provide these views
19:05:29 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask about WG review
19:05:40 <jeremy> Zakim, mute jeremy
19:05:40 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
19:08:00 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute jeremy
19:08:00 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
19:08:20 <jeremy> q+ to comment on TAG review
19:08:54 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to comment on TAG review
19:09:36 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute jeremy
19:09:36 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy
19:09:47 <jeremy> Zakim, mute jeremy
19:09:47 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
19:10:39 <Natasha> ACTION: Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion at the next telecon 
19:11:03 <Natasha> Guus will appreciate some action on WRLD in the next two wees
19:12:05 <Natasha> TopicMaps: there was a lot of discussion off the list (e.g., at XML Europe)
19:12:32 <Natasha> sorry, that was thesaurus, not topicmaps
19:14:17 <danbri> q+ to ask who else will be at http://www.esws2004.org/ (and possible regrets for next meeting)
19:16:44 <Natasha> suggestion of a telecon next week for thesaurus TF members
19:16:51 <aliman> SKOS-Core 1.0 Guide http://www.w3.org/2001/Europe/reports/thes/1.0/guide/
19:18:32 <Natasha> ACTION: Alistair to use SKOS note as a strawman and note how to adapt it to a WG note
19:18:35 <danbri> action: danbri to propose a short term plan
19:19:02 <Natasha> ACTION: danbri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF
19:19:34 <Natasha> ACTION: danbri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair
19:20:05 <Guus> Guus has joined #swbp
19:20:26 <danbri> q-
19:21:05 <Natasha> Guus hopes that by next time can make some  progress on Applications and demos TF
19:21:25 <Natasha> Libby regrest for next telecon
19:22:08 <Benjamin> p+ on applications and demos
19:22:13 <Benjamin> q+
19:22:13 <Natasha> Suggestion to have an informal f2f for this at Crete
19:22:43 <dlm> i also have to offer regrets for the next meeting may 13 - Deborah
19:22:55 <Natasha> Benjamin notes that there is no coordinator on the application and demos tf
19:23:35 <libby> libby is informally coord for now on apps and demos...but not been able to do much lately
19:23:42 <danbri> http://www.esws2004.org/
19:24:09 <danbri> who will be there? Fabia(e?)n, danbri, libby, guus...
19:24:26 <Natasha> Fabien will coordinate a list of those who want to meet in Crete
19:25:01 <Zakim> -Fabien
19:25:06 <fg> anyone coming to ESWS in Crete and interested in an informal meeting send me an e-mail mailto:Fabien.Gandon@sophia.inria.fr (see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0191.html )
19:25:10 <Zakim> -jeremy
19:25:12 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
19:25:16 <Zakim> -MikeU
19:25:17 <Zakim> - +1.408.358.aaaa
19:25:17 <Zakim> -aldo
19:25:18 <Zakim> -Alistair
19:25:24 <Zakim> -Natasha
19:25:31 <Zakim> -BenjaminN
19:26:13 <aldoG> aldoG has left #Swbp
19:26:14 <libby> Benjamin?
19:28:19 <Zakim> -Bristol
19:30:12 <aliman> laters all
19:32:12 <Zakim> -Ralph
19:32:13 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
19:32:14 <Zakim> -Marco
19:32:32 <Benjamin> sorry I hang up the phone
19:32:32 <Zakim> -Deb_McGuinness
19:32:33 <Zakim> SW_BPD()2:00PM has ended
19:32:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, +1.408.358.aaaa, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Fabien, danbri, libby, MikeU, Alistair, jeremy, aldo, Ralph
19:32:46 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> I see 28 open action items:
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus will as Ralph to do that [1]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-14-18
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy write TF desc for XML Schema [2]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-30
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg [3]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-39
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanBri investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note [4]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-52
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jacco list issues about a link to MPEG [5]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-16-20
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Evan report the status of the <type?> ontologies in June. [6]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-16-31
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force. [7]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-14
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Natasha to update the note and summarize email discussion [8]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-20
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus discuss PORT/THES w/DanB for next telecon [9]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-34
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on [10]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-54
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and [11]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-00
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Natasha start email discussion summarizing the "note". [12]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-25
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus invite two WG Chrisyaine Feldman as Invited Expert. [13]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-36
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next [14]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-48
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike Uschold to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use [15]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-24-09
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to contribute the pattern on quantities (for May 27th telecon) [16]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-40-44
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus will write the pattern for qualified-cardinality restriction (for May 27th) [17]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-45-07
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles (June 10th) [18]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-46-06
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy? to check with Jos if he is participating in the TF [19]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-55-05
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the TF  [20]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-58-50
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph & Jeremy update XSCH TF description [23]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-00-42
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list [24]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-02-55
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aldo to review the progress in the TF at the next telecon [25]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-03-14
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion at the next telecon  [26]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-10-39
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to use SKOS note as a strawman and note how to adapt it to a WG note [27]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-18-32
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danbri to propose a short term plan [28]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-18-35
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danbri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF [29]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-19-02
19:32:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danbri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair [30]
19:32:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-19-34