IRC log of swbp on 2004-04-29
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 18:05:18 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #swbp
- 18:05:32 [Guus]
- zakim, ??p2 is Alistair
- 18:05:32 [Zakim]
- +Alistair; got it
- 18:07:10 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 18:07:18 [jjc]
- Zakim, ?P9 is jeremy
- 18:07:18 [Zakim]
- sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P9'
- 18:07:22 [jjc]
- Zakim, ??P9 is jeremy
- 18:07:22 [Zakim]
- +jeremy; got it
- 18:07:28 [danbri]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 18:07:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, Bristol, +1.408.358.aaaa, Fabien (muted), MikeU, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Alistair, jeremy
- 18:07:31 [Zakim]
- Bristol has libby
- 18:07:37 [Guus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 18:07:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, Bristol, +1.408.358.aaaa, Fabien (muted), MikeU, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Alistair, jeremy
- 18:07:40 [Zakim]
- Bristol has libby
- 18:07:41 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Natasha, Guus, fg, Zakim, dlm, jeremy, aliman, danbri, libby, Benjamin, bijan
- 18:07:42 [danbri]
- zakim, Bristol holds libby, danbri
- 18:07:42 [Zakim]
- libby was already listed in Bristol, danbri
- 18:07:45 [Zakim]
- +danbri; got it
- 18:07:46 [danbri]
- zakim, Bristol holds libby danbri
- 18:07:49 [Zakim]
- danbri was already listed in Bristol, danbri
- 18:07:51 [Zakim]
- +libby; got it
- 18:07:59 [danbri]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0170.html
- 18:08:03 [jeremy]
- Zakim, mute jeremy
- 18:08:09 [Zakim]
- jeremy should now be muted
- 18:08:16 [Natasha]
- Proposed: accept minutes of last telecon
- 18:08:26 [Natasha]
- Deb: addition to the minutes in her message
- 18:08:49 [Natasha]
- Resolved: accept the minutes
- 18:11:17 [Natasha]
- Discussion on time: Guus proposes to have alternating times
- 18:11:22 [Natasha]
- Deb: have two fixed alternating times
- 18:11:59 [Natasha]
- One time: Thursday 1400 UTC
- 18:12:15 [Natasha]
- Another time also fixed: Thursday 1800UTC
- 18:12:32 [Natasha]
- Shift these hours after we are out of DST
- 18:14:11 [Natasha]
- Deb: suggests a listing of future dates and times for telecon on the web page
- 18:14:18 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus will as Ralph to do that
- 18:15:20 [Natasha]
- Resolved: alternating times for telecons
- 18:15:23 [Natasha]
- Actio nitem review
- 18:15:30 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Jeremy write TF desc for XML Schema
- 18:15:31 [Natasha]
- completed
- 18:15:39 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg
- 18:15:47 [Natasha]
- continued
- 18:15:52 [Natasha]
- ACTION: DanBri investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note
- 18:16:10 [Natasha]
- dropped
- 18:16:20 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Jacco list issues about a link to MPEG
- 18:16:25 [Natasha]
- completed
- 18:16:31 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Evan report the status of the <type?> ontologies in June.
- 18:17:00 [Natasha]
- changed to: Evan to report on the status of the uML profile for ontologies
- 18:17:07 [Natasha]
- continued
- 18:17:14 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force.
- 18:17:16 [Natasha]
- continued
- 18:17:20 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Natasha to update the note and summarize email discussion
- 18:17:29 [Natasha]
- completed
- 18:17:34 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus discuss PORT/THES w/DanB for next telecon
- 18:17:46 [Natasha]
- on the agenda for today, actio ncompleted
- 18:17:54 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on
- 18:17:54 [Natasha]
- test-repository
- 18:18:49 [Natasha]
- continued
- 18:19:00 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and
- 18:19:00 [Natasha]
- tricks"
- 18:19:19 [Natasha]
- to be dicussed later in the telecon
- 18:19:25 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Natasha start email discussion summarizing the "note".
- 18:19:28 [Natasha]
- completed
- 18:19:36 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus invite two WG Chrisyaine Feldman as Invited Expert.
- 18:19:42 [Natasha]
- completed
- 18:19:48 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next
- 18:19:48 [Natasha]
- telecon.
- 18:20:01 [Natasha]
- Suggested date May 27th for this discussion
- 18:20:24 [Natasha]
- the last 30 minutes of that telecon will be the WordNet discussion
- 18:21:21 [jeremy]
- Zakim, unmute jeremy
- 18:21:21 [Zakim]
- jeremy should no longer be muted
- 18:21:29 [Natasha]
- Discussion on human-friendly syntax
- 18:22:44 [Natasha]
- suggestion to use turtle in examples
- 18:23:29 [Natasha]
- MikeU: use Turtle in documents that we produce, but no restriction on what to use in email discussions
- 18:24:09 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Mike Uschold to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use
- 18:25:34 [aliman]
- Example of using turtle in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0183.html
- 18:26:23 [aditya]
- aditya has joined #swbp
- 18:27:04 [Natasha]
- Postponed the discussion on Tom Baker's suggestions
- 18:27:23 [jeremy]
- Zakim, mute jeremy
- 18:27:23 [Zakim]
- jeremy should now be muted
- 18:27:40 [Natasha]
- OEP TF discussion
- 18:30:25 [aldoG]
- aldoG has joined #Swbp
- 18:31:34 [Natasha]
- Publication plans
- 18:31:58 [Natasha]
- Suggestions to publish the note now and put a preamble that it will be part of a larger document
- 18:31:59 [aldoG]
- I'm calling just now, sorry I was lost in traffic ...
- 18:32:23 [Natasha]
- Also publish a template to use for the notes
- 18:34:34 [Natasha]
- discussion on whether we should have a normative template for notes now or after we have a few notes
- 18:34:56 [Natasha]
- it seems that there is an agreement to wait
- 18:35:28 [Natasha]
- Guus: we need to agree on notes before they are published on the web site
- 18:35:35 [Zakim]
- +??P11
- 18:35:45 [danbri]
- zakim, ??P11 is aldo
- 18:35:45 [Zakim]
- +aldo; got it
- 18:36:02 [Guus]
- zakim, ??p11 is Aldo
- 18:36:02 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P11 as aldo, Guus
- 18:36:04 [fg]
- If we're going for small-sized notes with an overall document, we should also have a "See Also" section inside the note for people who come directly to the note (ex: through Google)
- 18:36:10 [Natasha]
- For example, after one or more iterations on the classes as values note Natasha will mae a proposal to the group to publish it
- 18:37:04 [Natasha]
- We decide at the telecon for publishing it (next or the one after that)
- 18:37:19 [Natasha]
- Goal to have a decision by May 27th
- 18:37:25 [Ralph]
- Ralph has joined #swbp
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- +Ralph
- 18:38:14 [Ralph]
- [sorry for being late; I got tied up in a meeting with no network access]
- 18:39:14 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-38-14
- 18:39:19 [Natasha]
- Suggested patterns: observations and quantities
- 18:39:32 [Ralph]
- rrsagent, please make logs public
- 18:39:36 [Ralph]
- rrsagent, please make logs world
- 18:40:44 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus to contribute the pattern on quantities (for May 27th telecon)
- 18:41:19 [Natasha]
- Deb: closing roles pattern (from webont)
- 18:41:25 [jeremy]
- Zakim, unmute jeremy
- 18:41:25 [Zakim]
- jeremy should no longer be muted
- 18:41:35 [jeremy]
- q+ to ask about WG review
- 18:41:51 [Natasha]
- Mike: other topics that are related to classes as values
- 18:42:17 [Ralph]
- [re: http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-14-11 -- I accept action to list meeting dates and times on WG home page]
- 18:43:37 [Natasha]
- Discussion of the qualified-cardinality restriction pattern
- 18:45:07 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Guus will write the pattern for qualified-cardinality restriction (for May 27th)
- 18:46:06 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles (June 10th)
- 18:47:24 [Natasha]
- WG review of the notes: assign 1-2 reviewers for notes outside the TF
- 18:47:56 [Natasha]
- After the note is proposed for publication, have a 2-week period for review
- 18:48:31 [Natasha]
- XML Schema Datatypes discussion
- 18:49:05 [Natasha]
- Jeremy reviews his description at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0125.html
- 18:53:00 [Natasha]
- Ralph notes that he has put some of TF descriptions on the web site, extracting the descriptions from emails
- 18:53:12 [Natasha]
- about 24 hours ago
- 18:53:12 [danbri]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/#Tasks
- 18:53:36 [Natasha]
- it lists only active TFs
- 18:53:55 [Natasha]
- would like to have TFs "under consideration", and completed as well
- 18:54:01 [danbri]
- [someone is too close to their microphone]
- 18:54:29 [Natasha]
- Back to XML Schema Datatypes
- 18:54:44 [Natasha]
- Participants: Ralph, Jos?
- 18:55:05 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Jeremy? to check with Jos if he is participating in the TF
- 18:55:49 [Natasha]
- The TF is very important, but no guarantee of success
- 18:56:20 [Natasha]
- The scope is "XML Scema datatypes as used on the SW" rather than general use of XML Schema datatypes
- 18:57:20 [Natasha]
- Suggested: to invite the XML Schema WG to invite them to participate draft in
- 18:57:30 [Natasha]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0160.html
- 18:58:26 [Ralph]
- zakim, please mute aldo
- 18:58:26 [Zakim]
- aldo should now be muted
- 18:58:50 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the TF
- 18:59:06 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Update the TF description
- 18:59:37 [jeremy]
- Zakim, mute jeremy
- 18:59:37 [Zakim]
- jeremy should now be muted
- 19:00:02 [Natasha]
- Discussion of the WN TF
- 19:00:07 [Ralph]
- action-21
- 19:00:20 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Ralph update TF description
- 19:00:26 [Ralph]
- action-22
- 19:00:42 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Ralph & Jeremy update XSCH TF description
- 19:02:55 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list
- 19:03:14 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Aldo to review the progress in the TF at the next telecon
- 19:03:42 [Natasha]
- Suggested that the TF prepares the discussion of the difficult technical points on May 27th
- 19:03:48 [Natasha]
- 1. agreeing on the URI
- 19:03:59 [danbri]
- q+
- 19:04:11 [Natasha]
- 2. Making the OWL disitribution part of the regular distribution of WordNet
- 19:04:45 [Natasha]
- Controversial issue: producing view files for each synset
- 19:05:07 [Natasha]
- or having a knowledge server provide these views
- 19:05:29 [Zakim]
- jeremy, you wanted to ask about WG review
- 19:05:40 [jeremy]
- Zakim, mute jeremy
- 19:05:40 [Zakim]
- jeremy should now be muted
- 19:08:00 [jeremy]
- Zakim, unmute jeremy
- 19:08:00 [Zakim]
- jeremy should no longer be muted
- 19:08:20 [jeremy]
- q+ to comment on TAG review
- 19:08:54 [Zakim]
- jeremy, you wanted to comment on TAG review
- 19:09:36 [jeremy]
- Zakim, unmute jeremy
- 19:09:36 [Zakim]
- jeremy was not muted, jeremy
- 19:09:47 [jeremy]
- Zakim, mute jeremy
- 19:09:47 [Zakim]
- jeremy should now be muted
- 19:10:39 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion at the next telecon
- 19:11:03 [Natasha]
- Guus will appreciate some action on WRLD in the next two wees
- 19:12:05 [Natasha]
- TopicMaps: there was a lot of discussion off the list (e.g., at XML Europe)
- 19:12:32 [Natasha]
- sorry, that was thesaurus, not topicmaps
- 19:14:17 [danbri]
- q+ to ask who else will be at http://www.esws2004.org/ (and possible regrets for next meeting)
- 19:16:44 [Natasha]
- suggestion of a telecon next week for thesaurus TF members
- 19:16:51 [aliman]
- SKOS-Core 1.0 Guide http://www.w3.org/2001/Europe/reports/thes/1.0/guide/
- 19:18:32 [Natasha]
- ACTION: Alistair to use SKOS note as a strawman and note how to adapt it to a WG note
- 19:18:35 [danbri]
- action: danbri to propose a short term plan
- 19:19:02 [Natasha]
- ACTION: danbri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF
- 19:19:34 [Natasha]
- ACTION: danbri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair
- 19:20:05 [Guus]
- Guus has joined #swbp
- 19:20:26 [danbri]
- q-
- 19:21:05 [Natasha]
- Guus hopes that by next time can make some progress on Applications and demos TF
- 19:21:25 [Natasha]
- Libby regrest for next telecon
- 19:22:08 [Benjamin]
- p+ on applications and demos
- 19:22:13 [Benjamin]
- q+
- 19:22:13 [Natasha]
- Suggestion to have an informal f2f for this at Crete
- 19:22:43 [dlm]
- i also have to offer regrets for the next meeting may 13 - Deborah
- 19:22:55 [Natasha]
- Benjamin notes that there is no coordinator on the application and demos tf
- 19:23:35 [libby]
- libby is informally coord for now on apps and demos...but not been able to do much lately
- 19:23:42 [danbri]
- http://www.esws2004.org/
- 19:24:09 [danbri]
- who will be there? Fabia(e?)n, danbri, libby, guus...
- 19:24:26 [Natasha]
- Fabien will coordinate a list of those who want to meet in Crete
- 19:25:01 [Zakim]
- -Fabien
- 19:25:06 [fg]
- anyone coming to ESWS in Crete and interested in an informal meeting send me an e-mail mailto:Fabien.Gandon@sophia.inria.fr (see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0191.html )
- 19:25:10 [Zakim]
- -jeremy
- 19:25:12 [Zakim]
- -Evan_Wallace
- 19:25:16 [Zakim]
- -MikeU
- 19:25:17 [Zakim]
- - +1.408.358.aaaa
- 19:25:17 [Zakim]
- -aldo
- 19:25:18 [Zakim]
- -Alistair
- 19:25:24 [Zakim]
- -Natasha
- 19:25:31 [Zakim]
- -BenjaminN
- 19:26:13 [aldoG]
- aldoG has left #Swbp
- 19:26:14 [libby]
- Benjamin?
- 19:28:19 [Zakim]
- -Bristol
- 19:30:12 [aliman]
- laters all
- 19:32:12 [Zakim]
- -Ralph
- 19:32:13 [Zakim]
- -Guus_Schreiber
- 19:32:14 [Zakim]
- -Marco
- 19:32:32 [Benjamin]
- sorry I hang up the phone
- 19:32:32 [Zakim]
- -Deb_McGuinness
- 19:32:33 [Zakim]
- SW_BPD()2:00PM has ended
- 19:32:34 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, +1.408.358.aaaa, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Fabien, danbri, libby, MikeU, Alistair, jeremy, aldo, Ralph
- 19:32:46 [Ralph]
- rrsagent, bye
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- I see 28 open action items:
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus will as Ralph to do that [1]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-14-18
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jeremy write TF desc for XML Schema [2]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-30
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg [3]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-39
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: DanBri investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note [4]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-52
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jacco list issues about a link to MPEG [5]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-16-20
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Evan report the status of the <type?> ontologies in June. [6]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-16-31
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force. [7]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-14
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Natasha to update the note and summarize email discussion [8]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-20
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus discuss PORT/THES w/DanB for next telecon [9]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-34
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on [10]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-54
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and [11]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-00
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Natasha start email discussion summarizing the "note". [12]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-25
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus invite two WG Chrisyaine Feldman as Invited Expert. [13]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-36
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next [14]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-48
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Mike Uschold to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use [15]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-24-09
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus to contribute the pattern on quantities (for May 27th telecon) [16]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-40-44
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus will write the pattern for qualified-cardinality restriction (for May 27th) [17]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-45-07
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles (June 10th) [18]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-46-06
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jeremy? to check with Jos if he is participating in the TF [19]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-55-05
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the TF [20]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-58-50
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph & Jeremy update XSCH TF description [23]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-00-42
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list [24]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-02-55
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Aldo to review the progress in the TF at the next telecon [25]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-03-14
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion at the next telecon [26]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-10-39
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Alistair to use SKOS note as a strawman and note how to adapt it to a WG note [27]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-18-32
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: danbri to propose a short term plan [28]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-18-35
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: danbri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF [29]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-19-02
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: danbri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair [30]
- 19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-19-34