IRC log of swbp on 2004-04-29

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18:05:18 [RRSAgent]
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18:05:32 [Guus]
zakim, ??p2 is Alistair
18:05:32 [Zakim]
+Alistair; got it
18:07:10 [Zakim]
+??P9
18:07:18 [jjc]
Zakim, ?P9 is jeremy
18:07:18 [Zakim]
sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P9'
18:07:22 [jjc]
Zakim, ??P9 is jeremy
18:07:22 [Zakim]
+jeremy; got it
18:07:28 [danbri]
zakim, who is on the phone?
18:07:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, Bristol, +1.408.358.aaaa, Fabien (muted), MikeU, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Alistair, jeremy
18:07:31 [Zakim]
Bristol has libby
18:07:37 [Guus]
zakim, who is here?
18:07:37 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, Bristol, +1.408.358.aaaa, Fabien (muted), MikeU, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Alistair, jeremy
18:07:40 [Zakim]
Bristol has libby
18:07:41 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Natasha, Guus, fg, Zakim, dlm, jeremy, aliman, danbri, libby, Benjamin, bijan
18:07:42 [danbri]
zakim, Bristol holds libby, danbri
18:07:42 [Zakim]
libby was already listed in Bristol, danbri
18:07:45 [Zakim]
+danbri; got it
18:07:46 [danbri]
zakim, Bristol holds libby danbri
18:07:49 [Zakim]
danbri was already listed in Bristol, danbri
18:07:51 [Zakim]
+libby; got it
18:07:59 [danbri]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0170.html
18:08:03 [jeremy]
Zakim, mute jeremy
18:08:09 [Zakim]
jeremy should now be muted
18:08:16 [Natasha]
Proposed: accept minutes of last telecon
18:08:26 [Natasha]
Deb: addition to the minutes in her message
18:08:49 [Natasha]
Resolved: accept the minutes
18:11:17 [Natasha]
Discussion on time: Guus proposes to have alternating times
18:11:22 [Natasha]
Deb: have two fixed alternating times
18:11:59 [Natasha]
One time: Thursday 1400 UTC
18:12:15 [Natasha]
Another time also fixed: Thursday 1800UTC
18:12:32 [Natasha]
Shift these hours after we are out of DST
18:14:11 [Natasha]
Deb: suggests a listing of future dates and times for telecon on the web page
18:14:18 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus will as Ralph to do that
18:15:20 [Natasha]
Resolved: alternating times for telecons
18:15:23 [Natasha]
Actio nitem review
18:15:30 [Natasha]
ACTION: Jeremy write TF desc for XML Schema
18:15:31 [Natasha]
completed
18:15:39 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg
18:15:47 [Natasha]
continued
18:15:52 [Natasha]
ACTION: DanBri investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note
18:16:10 [Natasha]
dropped
18:16:20 [Natasha]
ACTION: Jacco list issues about a link to MPEG
18:16:25 [Natasha]
completed
18:16:31 [Natasha]
ACTION: Evan report the status of the <type?> ontologies in June.
18:17:00 [Natasha]
changed to: Evan to report on the status of the uML profile for ontologies
18:17:07 [Natasha]
continued
18:17:14 [Natasha]
ACTION: Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force.
18:17:16 [Natasha]
continued
18:17:20 [Natasha]
ACTION: Natasha to update the note and summarize email discussion
18:17:29 [Natasha]
completed
18:17:34 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus discuss PORT/THES w/DanB for next telecon
18:17:46 [Natasha]
on the agenda for today, actio ncompleted
18:17:54 [Natasha]
ACTION: Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on
18:17:54 [Natasha]
test-repository
18:18:49 [Natasha]
continued
18:19:00 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and
18:19:00 [Natasha]
tricks"
18:19:19 [Natasha]
to be dicussed later in the telecon
18:19:25 [Natasha]
ACTION: Natasha start email discussion summarizing the "note".
18:19:28 [Natasha]
completed
18:19:36 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus invite two WG Chrisyaine Feldman as Invited Expert.
18:19:42 [Natasha]
completed
18:19:48 [Natasha]
ACTION: Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next
18:19:48 [Natasha]
telecon.
18:20:01 [Natasha]
Suggested date May 27th for this discussion
18:20:24 [Natasha]
the last 30 minutes of that telecon will be the WordNet discussion
18:21:21 [jeremy]
Zakim, unmute jeremy
18:21:21 [Zakim]
jeremy should no longer be muted
18:21:29 [Natasha]
Discussion on human-friendly syntax
18:22:44 [Natasha]
suggestion to use turtle in examples
18:23:29 [Natasha]
MikeU: use Turtle in documents that we produce, but no restriction on what to use in email discussions
18:24:09 [Natasha]
ACTION: Mike Uschold to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use
18:25:34 [aliman]
Example of using turtle in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0183.html
18:26:23 [aditya]
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18:27:04 [Natasha]
Postponed the discussion on Tom Baker's suggestions
18:27:23 [jeremy]
Zakim, mute jeremy
18:27:23 [Zakim]
jeremy should now be muted
18:27:40 [Natasha]
OEP TF discussion
18:30:25 [aldoG]
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18:31:34 [Natasha]
Publication plans
18:31:58 [Natasha]
Suggestions to publish the note now and put a preamble that it will be part of a larger document
18:31:59 [aldoG]
I'm calling just now, sorry I was lost in traffic ...
18:32:23 [Natasha]
Also publish a template to use for the notes
18:34:34 [Natasha]
discussion on whether we should have a normative template for notes now or after we have a few notes
18:34:56 [Natasha]
it seems that there is an agreement to wait
18:35:28 [Natasha]
Guus: we need to agree on notes before they are published on the web site
18:35:35 [Zakim]
+??P11
18:35:45 [danbri]
zakim, ??P11 is aldo
18:35:45 [Zakim]
+aldo; got it
18:36:02 [Guus]
zakim, ??p11 is Aldo
18:36:02 [Zakim]
I already had ??P11 as aldo, Guus
18:36:04 [fg]
If we're going for small-sized notes with an overall document, we should also have a "See Also" section inside the note for people who come directly to the note (ex: through Google)
18:36:10 [Natasha]
For example, after one or more iterations on the classes as values note Natasha will mae a proposal to the group to publish it
18:37:04 [Natasha]
We decide at the telecon for publishing it (next or the one after that)
18:37:19 [Natasha]
Goal to have a decision by May 27th
18:37:25 [Ralph]
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+Ralph
18:38:14 [Ralph]
[sorry for being late; I got tied up in a meeting with no network access]
18:39:14 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-38-14
18:39:19 [Natasha]
Suggested patterns: observations and quantities
18:39:32 [Ralph]
rrsagent, please make logs public
18:39:36 [Ralph]
rrsagent, please make logs world
18:40:44 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus to contribute the pattern on quantities (for May 27th telecon)
18:41:19 [Natasha]
Deb: closing roles pattern (from webont)
18:41:25 [jeremy]
Zakim, unmute jeremy
18:41:25 [Zakim]
jeremy should no longer be muted
18:41:35 [jeremy]
q+ to ask about WG review
18:41:51 [Natasha]
Mike: other topics that are related to classes as values
18:42:17 [Ralph]
[re: http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-14-11 -- I accept action to list meeting dates and times on WG home page]
18:43:37 [Natasha]
Discussion of the qualified-cardinality restriction pattern
18:45:07 [Natasha]
ACTION: Guus will write the pattern for qualified-cardinality restriction (for May 27th)
18:46:06 [Natasha]
ACTION: Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles (June 10th)
18:47:24 [Natasha]
WG review of the notes: assign 1-2 reviewers for notes outside the TF
18:47:56 [Natasha]
After the note is proposed for publication, have a 2-week period for review
18:48:31 [Natasha]
XML Schema Datatypes discussion
18:49:05 [Natasha]
Jeremy reviews his description at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0125.html
18:53:00 [Natasha]
Ralph notes that he has put some of TF descriptions on the web site, extracting the descriptions from emails
18:53:12 [Natasha]
about 24 hours ago
18:53:12 [danbri]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/#Tasks
18:53:36 [Natasha]
it lists only active TFs
18:53:55 [Natasha]
would like to have TFs "under consideration", and completed as well
18:54:01 [danbri]
[someone is too close to their microphone]
18:54:29 [Natasha]
Back to XML Schema Datatypes
18:54:44 [Natasha]
Participants: Ralph, Jos?
18:55:05 [Natasha]
ACTION: Jeremy? to check with Jos if he is participating in the TF
18:55:49 [Natasha]
The TF is very important, but no guarantee of success
18:56:20 [Natasha]
The scope is "XML Scema datatypes as used on the SW" rather than general use of XML Schema datatypes
18:57:20 [Natasha]
Suggested: to invite the XML Schema WG to invite them to participate draft in
18:57:30 [Natasha]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0160.html
18:58:26 [Ralph]
zakim, please mute aldo
18:58:26 [Zakim]
aldo should now be muted
18:58:50 [Natasha]
ACTION: Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the TF
18:59:06 [Natasha]
ACTION: Update the TF description
18:59:37 [jeremy]
Zakim, mute jeremy
18:59:37 [Zakim]
jeremy should now be muted
19:00:02 [Natasha]
Discussion of the WN TF
19:00:07 [Ralph]
action-21
19:00:20 [Ralph]
ACTION: Ralph update TF description
19:00:26 [Ralph]
action-22
19:00:42 [Ralph]
ACTION: Ralph & Jeremy update XSCH TF description
19:02:55 [Natasha]
ACTION: Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list
19:03:14 [Natasha]
ACTION: Aldo to review the progress in the TF at the next telecon
19:03:42 [Natasha]
Suggested that the TF prepares the discussion of the difficult technical points on May 27th
19:03:48 [Natasha]
1. agreeing on the URI
19:03:59 [danbri]
q+
19:04:11 [Natasha]
2. Making the OWL disitribution part of the regular distribution of WordNet
19:04:45 [Natasha]
Controversial issue: producing view files for each synset
19:05:07 [Natasha]
or having a knowledge server provide these views
19:05:29 [Zakim]
jeremy, you wanted to ask about WG review
19:05:40 [jeremy]
Zakim, mute jeremy
19:05:40 [Zakim]
jeremy should now be muted
19:08:00 [jeremy]
Zakim, unmute jeremy
19:08:00 [Zakim]
jeremy should no longer be muted
19:08:20 [jeremy]
q+ to comment on TAG review
19:08:54 [Zakim]
jeremy, you wanted to comment on TAG review
19:09:36 [jeremy]
Zakim, unmute jeremy
19:09:36 [Zakim]
jeremy was not muted, jeremy
19:09:47 [jeremy]
Zakim, mute jeremy
19:09:47 [Zakim]
jeremy should now be muted
19:10:39 [Natasha]
ACTION: Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion at the next telecon
19:11:03 [Natasha]
Guus will appreciate some action on WRLD in the next two wees
19:12:05 [Natasha]
TopicMaps: there was a lot of discussion off the list (e.g., at XML Europe)
19:12:32 [Natasha]
sorry, that was thesaurus, not topicmaps
19:14:17 [danbri]
q+ to ask who else will be at http://www.esws2004.org/ (and possible regrets for next meeting)
19:16:44 [Natasha]
suggestion of a telecon next week for thesaurus TF members
19:16:51 [aliman]
SKOS-Core 1.0 Guide http://www.w3.org/2001/Europe/reports/thes/1.0/guide/
19:18:32 [Natasha]
ACTION: Alistair to use SKOS note as a strawman and note how to adapt it to a WG note
19:18:35 [danbri]
action: danbri to propose a short term plan
19:19:02 [Natasha]
ACTION: danbri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF
19:19:34 [Natasha]
ACTION: danbri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair
19:20:05 [Guus]
Guus has joined #swbp
19:20:26 [danbri]
q-
19:21:05 [Natasha]
Guus hopes that by next time can make some progress on Applications and demos TF
19:21:25 [Natasha]
Libby regrest for next telecon
19:22:08 [Benjamin]
p+ on applications and demos
19:22:13 [Benjamin]
q+
19:22:13 [Natasha]
Suggestion to have an informal f2f for this at Crete
19:22:43 [dlm]
i also have to offer regrets for the next meeting may 13 - Deborah
19:22:55 [Natasha]
Benjamin notes that there is no coordinator on the application and demos tf
19:23:35 [libby]
libby is informally coord for now on apps and demos...but not been able to do much lately
19:23:42 [danbri]
http://www.esws2004.org/
19:24:09 [danbri]
who will be there? Fabia(e?)n, danbri, libby, guus...
19:24:26 [Natasha]
Fabien will coordinate a list of those who want to meet in Crete
19:25:01 [Zakim]
-Fabien
19:25:06 [fg]
anyone coming to ESWS in Crete and interested in an informal meeting send me an e-mail mailto:Fabien.Gandon@sophia.inria.fr (see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Apr/0191.html )
19:25:10 [Zakim]
-jeremy
19:25:12 [Zakim]
-Evan_Wallace
19:25:16 [Zakim]
-MikeU
19:25:17 [Zakim]
- +1.408.358.aaaa
19:25:17 [Zakim]
-aldo
19:25:18 [Zakim]
-Alistair
19:25:24 [Zakim]
-Natasha
19:25:31 [Zakim]
-BenjaminN
19:26:13 [aldoG]
aldoG has left #Swbp
19:26:14 [libby]
Benjamin?
19:28:19 [Zakim]
-Bristol
19:30:12 [aliman]
laters all
19:32:12 [Zakim]
-Ralph
19:32:13 [Zakim]
-Guus_Schreiber
19:32:14 [Zakim]
-Marco
19:32:32 [Benjamin]
sorry I hang up the phone
19:32:32 [Zakim]
-Deb_McGuinness
19:32:33 [Zakim]
SW_BPD()2:00PM has ended
19:32:34 [Zakim]
Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, Natasha, BenjaminN, +1.408.358.aaaa, Marco, Deb_McGuinness, Evan_Wallace, Fabien, danbri, libby, MikeU, Alistair, jeremy, aldo, Ralph
19:32:46 [Ralph]
rrsagent, bye
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
I see 28 open action items:
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus will as Ralph to do that [1]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-14-18
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Jeremy write TF desc for XML Schema [2]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-30
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus read bernard's e-mail with draft TMAP msg [3]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-39
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: DanBri investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note [4]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-15-52
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Jacco list issues about a link to MPEG [5]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-16-20
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Evan report the status of the <type?> ontologies in June. [6]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-16-31
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Jim report back on short-term plan for World Task Force. [7]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-14
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Natasha to update the note and summarize email discussion [8]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-20
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus discuss PORT/THES w/DanB for next telecon [9]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-34
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Libby and Brian propose repository for apps based on [10]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-17-54
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus set up link from SWBP home to page to "tips and [11]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-00
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Natasha start email discussion summarizing the "note". [12]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-25
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus invite two WG Chrisyaine Feldman as Invited Expert. [13]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-36
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Aldo organize 30 min TF discussion on WNET for next [14]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-19-48
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Mike Uschold to post a proposal to the list on the syntax to use [15]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-24-09
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus to contribute the pattern on quantities (for May 27th telecon) [16]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-40-44
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus will write the pattern for qualified-cardinality restriction (for May 27th) [17]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-45-07
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Deborah to write a pattern on closing roles (June 10th) [18]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-46-06
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Jeremy? to check with Jos if he is participating in the TF [19]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-55-05
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Ralph to talk with the chair of the XML Schema WG to invite them to join the TF [20]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T18-58-50
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Ralph & Jeremy update XSCH TF description [23]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-00-42
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Aldo to forward comments from the WN group to the list [24]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-02-55
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Aldo to review the progress in the TF at the next telecon [25]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-03-14
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Aldo to discuss a plan for the May 27th discussion at the next telecon [26]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-10-39
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Alistair to use SKOS note as a strawman and note how to adapt it to a WG note [27]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-18-32
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: danbri to propose a short term plan [28]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-18-35
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: danbri to propose a short-term paln for the THES TF [29]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-19-02
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: danbri to give access to TF homepage to Alistair [30]
19:32:46 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/29-swbp-irc#T19-19-34