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13:56:36 <sh1m> Zakim, list conferences
13:56:38 <Zakim> I see MM_MMI(ink)9:00AM active
13:56:38 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are I18N_GEO()9:00AM, WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, DI_DIWG()10:00AM, HTML_WG()10:00AM, SVG_WG()10:00AM
13:56:50 <sh1m> Zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
13:56:50 <Zakim> sh1m, I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be WAI_WCAG".
13:56:58 <sh1m> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
13:56:58 <Zakim> ok, sh1m; I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:59:09 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
13:59:16 <Zakim> + +1.512.306.aaaa
13:59:33 <Zakim> +Dave_MacDonald
14:00:21 <Zakim> +Chris_Ridpath
14:00:41 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:00:50 <ChrisR> ChrisR has joined #wai-wcag
14:02:17 <JimT> JimT has joined #wai-wcag
14:02:34 <Zakim> +??P12
14:03:22 <bcaldwell> bcaldwell has joined #wai-wcag
14:03:33 <MichaelC> I'm gonna dial in a bit late - can somebody get the ball rolling?
14:03:37 <Zakim> +??P11
14:03:37 <MichaelC> Gateway techniques!
14:03:44 <bcaldwell> zakim, ??P11 is Ben
14:03:44 <Zakim> +Ben; got it
14:04:00 <bcaldwell> zakim, who is here?
14:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.512.306.aaaa, Dave_MacDonald, Chris_Ridpath, [Microsoft], ??P12, Ben
14:04:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see bcaldwell, JimT, ChrisR, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, sh1m, sh1mmer
14:04:26 <sh1m> Zakim, +1.512.306.aaaa is Jim_Thatcher
14:04:29 <Zakim> +Jim_Thatcher; got it
14:04:29 <bcaldwell> zakim, [Microsoft] is Jenae 
14:04:35 <Zakim> +Jenae; got it
14:04:52 <bcaldwell> zakim, I am Ben
14:04:55 <sh1m> Zakim, ??P12 is Tom
14:04:57 <Zakim> ok, bcaldwell, I now associate you with Ben
14:05:03 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
14:06:09 <Zakim> +Wendy
14:06:39 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
14:06:40 <wendy> wendy has joined #wai-wcag
14:09:34 <JimT> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/att-0054/gateway-outline.htm
14:12:37 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
14:13:46 <Zakim> +??P5
14:14:04 <wendy> zakim, ??P5 is Lisa_Seeman
14:14:04 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
14:21:50 <wendy> action: tom send jenae's proposed work plan to the mailing list to attract volunteers to go through the process
14:22:18 <wendy> volunteers
14:22:30 <wendy> jenae has volunteered for 1.1
14:22:34 <wendy> david 1.4
14:24:02 <wendy> david 1.5
14:24:39 <wendy> lisa 1.3
14:26:51 <wendy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-GATEWAY-20040420.html
14:37:53 <wendy> do we want to organize by success criteria?
14:41:20 <wendy> concerns: repetition of guideline information
14:41:47 <wendy> concern: success criteria appearing in different techniques (reader has to pull ideas togehter)
14:41:49 <sh1m> Zakim, I am Tom
14:41:49 <Zakim> ok, sh1m, I now associate you with Tom
14:41:59 <wendy> concern: multiple tasks for each success criterion?
14:42:37 <wendy> concern: if structured by success criteria lose focus on guideline
14:43:04 <wendy> what about a mapping? "here's what you do to fulfill the goal"
14:45:06 <wendy> multiple links for each success criteria?
14:45:14 <wendy> link from guidelines/success criteria to checklist?
14:46:04 <wendy> do people go through gateway to get to technology-specifics or can they get to the tech-specifics directly
14:46:57 <MichaelC> zakim, mute Michael_Cooper
14:46:57 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
14:47:58 <wendy> in wcag 1.0, these functions are separated in 2 docs: core and techniques for wcag 1.0
14:48:12 <wendy> when working on wcag 2.0, we made conscious effort to combine them into gateway.
14:49:17 <wendy> if success criteria have more than one technique, should be gathered together, but perhaps not in the primary view.
14:50:36 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute Michael_Cooper
14:50:36 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
14:50:43 <MichaelC> zakim, I am Michael_Cooper
14:50:43 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper
14:56:26 <sh1m> q+
14:56:37 <wendy> ack Tom
14:57:02 <wendy> desire to involve a designer. discussion about when.  after have better mock-up or sooner?
14:59:54 <wendy> action: wendy will talk with shawn and matt as first step (since involved in WAI site redesign) about design and designers
15:00:07 <wendy> checklists? where is our work on that
15:00:42 <wendy> open issues about checklists: normative or not?
15:00:58 <wendy> after each heading, there is "this technique satisfies guideline..."
15:01:04 <wendy> what is a task?
15:03:23 <wendy> history of diff between checklist items (T/F or Yes/No) vs task
15:05:05 <bcaldwell> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/05/02-tech-doc.html
15:06:59 <wendy> each technique has several pieces (via the dtd) - many of these are optional: short name, task, examples, references, code, screen shots, audio clips
15:07:15 <wendy> currently it says, "this techniques satisfies guidelines..." but there is only one guideline listed.
15:09:29 <wendy> currently, success criteria info not revealed (even if associated in the xml).
15:10:29 <MichaelC> action: Michael: associate HTML techniques with WCAG 2.0 success criteria
15:15:16 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:15:16 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:15:59 <wendy> where we have questions, take to thursday call. can help group make decisions about splitting or grouping guidelines (i.e., visual and auditory contrast are currently 2 guidelines, but some discussion about recombining)
15:16:45 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute me
15:16:45 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
15:19:16 <wendy> could have "index" by success criteria in technology-specifics, a.k.a. the checklist.
15:23:15 <wendy> copy & paste guide w/success criteria
15:23:20 <wendy> copy and paste everything from gateway
15:23:27 <wendy> then html techniques copy and paste everything from there.
15:23:46 <wendy> copy entire sections
15:23:50 <wendy> will print, look at
15:23:56 <wendy> determine overlap and what's missing
15:24:24 <wendy> don't grab benefits or examples, just success criteria
15:25:44 <wendy> but, yes, please do!
15:25:55 <wendy> want to see exmaples that flow from guidelines through gateway and html techniques
15:27:18 <wendy> david, jenae will have end-to-end summaries for next week's call
15:27:28 <wendy> anyone else - please finish summary by monday!
15:28:17 <wendy> if you have volunteered and wish to, pls contact tom and/or wendy (we'll put your name in the plan)
15:28:32 <wendy> action: ben and tom coord about bugzilla issues management
15:30:32 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
15:30:34 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
15:30:52 <wendy> next week: end-to-end summaries, gateway techs, html (if time)
15:31:01 <ChrisR> ChrisR has left #wai-wcag
15:32:55 <Zakim> -Tom
15:32:56 <Zakim> -Jim_Thatcher
15:32:57 <Zakim> -Wendy
15:32:58 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:32:58 <Zakim> -Jenae
15:32:59 <Zakim> -Ben
15:33:00 <Zakim> -Chris_Ridpath
15:38:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Dave_MacDonald, in WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
15:38:03 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
15:38:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Dave_MacDonald, Chris_Ridpath, Ben, Jim_Thatcher, Jenae, Tom, Wendy, Tim_Boland, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman
15:40:07 <michaelout> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:40:12 <michaelout> rrsagent, bye
15:40:12 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items:
15:40:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: tom send jenae's proposed work plan to the mailing list to attract volunteers to go through the process [1]
15:40:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T14-21-50
15:40:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: wendy will talk with shawn and matt as first step (since involved in WAI site redesign) about design and designers [2]
15:40:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T14-59-54
15:40:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael: associate HTML techniques with WCAG 2.0 success criteria [3]
15:40:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T15-10-29
15:40:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ben and tom coord about bugzilla issues management [4]
15:40:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T15-28-32