IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-03-24

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14:56:12 [RRSAgent]
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14:57:07 [sh1m]
Zakim, list conferences
14:57:07 [Zakim]
I see MM_MMI(ink)9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
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also scheduled at this time are HTML_WG()10:00AM, DI_DIWG()10:00AM, WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
14:57:41 [sh1m]
Zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
14:57:41 [Zakim]
sh1m, I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be WAI_WCAG".
14:57:56 [sh1m]
Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:57:56 [Zakim]
ok, sh1m; I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:58:01 [MichaelC]
That's a little too persnickity...
14:58:06 [sh1m]
heh pedantic bot.
14:59:13 [Zakim]
WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
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15:01:41 [sh1m]
Zakim, ??P15 is Tom
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+Tom; got it
15:01:49 [sh1m]
Zakim, I am Tom
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ok, sh1m, I now associate you with Tom
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15:03:10 [wendy]
zakim, ??P7 is Ben
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+Ben; got it
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Zakim, ben is Ben
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+Ben; got it
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15:04:48 [ChrisR]
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15:04:52 [wendy]
zakim, ??P17 is Lisa_Seeman
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+Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:05:46 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Don, Wendy, Chris_Ridpath, Michael_Cooper, Tom, Ben.a, Lisa_Seeman
15:08:22 [wendy]
css: with fixed positioning, when increase font size text runs into each other
15:09:26 [wendy]
generated content - sometimes issues.
15:09:40 [wendy]
clarify things *not* to do in css.
15:10:19 [wendy]
filters for IE, css file. (tom posting link)
15:10:57 [sh1m]
15:14:06 [wendy]
a separate form for people to review techniques? or rate them? make comments?
15:14:19 [wendy]
i.e., here are the techniques. pick one and make a comment or add test results.
15:14:42 [wendy]
ok with two tier, if that second tier moderated/made of experts.
15:15:05 [wendy]
so, let anyone contribute techniques, set up system where experts make comments/reviews
15:15:10 [wendy]
"peer" review
15:15:19 [ben]
15:15:57 [wendy]
ack q
15:16:06 [sh1m]
ack ben
15:16:15 [wendy]
currently: all the tool does is send an email to the public mailing list.
15:16:23 [wendy]
could send it to the facilitator/editor of the document.
15:16:45 [wendy]
like idea of rating system. but don't create 2 systems.
15:17:00 [wendy]
at this point, better for us to go with form and see what kind of volume we get.
15:18:38 [wendy]
blogging tools to support
15:18:49 [wendy]
a way to motivate people to get involved in discussion.
15:19:02 [wendy]
could outlive techniques.
15:19:03 [wendy]
ack lisa
15:19:45 [wendy]
if anyone can review, then reviews could be worse than technique.
15:20:41 [wendy]
ack lisa
15:22:52 [wendy]
don't want to submit a technique if the review will call me a name
15:24:42 [wendy]
need to be standards for submitting reviews.
15:32:31 [wendy]
hard to figure out which checks go with which guidelines/success criteria/techniques
15:33:11 [ChrisR]
15:33:45 [wendy]
ack lisa
15:34:20 [wendy]
end of april metadata mtg?
15:34:54 [wendy]
accessibility metadata summit. brussels. dublin core, ims.
15:37:29 [wendy]
f2f - 1st or 2nd week of june. europe. 4 days - 2 techniques, 2 rest of wcag
15:38:40 [wendy]
back to testing and mapping
15:38:50 [wendy]
redo the exercise of mapping to the existing draft?
15:39:07 [wendy]
mappings are getting out of date quickly.
15:39:31 [wendy]
chris mapped checks to guidelines, not clear which success criteria.
15:39:40 [wendy]
want to generate mapping.
15:41:44 [wendy]
action: michael map html techniques to success criteria
15:41:59 [wendy]
ben working on mapping from wcag 1.0 checkpoints to wcag 2.0 success criteria
15:42:10 [wendy]
michael intended to include as attribute in techniques
15:42:19 [wendy]
not clear that it was a view to generate
15:43:58 [wendy]
action: create xslt to generate table that shows mapping from html techniques to success criteria
15:46:14 [ChrisR]
15:49:21 [wendy]
two types of testing:
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1. uaag test suite. information about browser support for techniques
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2. evaluation test suite: help people determine if their content conforms to wcga 2.0.
15:50:02 [wendy]
chris' tool fits into 2nd category.
15:50:17 [wendy]
at f2f discussed taking xml output from existing evaluation tools and via xslt convert to wcag 2.0 results.
15:50:24 [wendy]
checklists could generate earl and help with that.
15:51:20 [ChrisR]
15:53:04 [wendy]
must - can be checked w/certainty
15:53:28 [wendy]
(in chris' list of checks, the wording that is used)
15:53:59 [wendy]
next week: test matrix
15:54:08 [wendy]
ack lisa
15:54:59 [wendy]
if disagree with test, send that feedback ?i.e., good test, but always need to provide it?
15:55:14 [wendy]
i.e., always need to apply the test?
15:55:55 [wendy]
this list is a first draft. feedback is encouraged.
15:58:50 [wendy]
have 3 levels of confidence: high, med, low
15:58:59 [wendy]
if source and alt are the same, medium
15:59:06 [wendy]
how does that relate to wording?
15:59:37 [wendy]
e.g., if confidence low but language uses "must" - is that a check on the wording?
15:59:55 [wendy]
should change wording to reflect uncertainty?
16:00:23 [wendy]
perhaps the "must" should be a "should"
16:00:33 [wendy]
e.g., "image may need a long description"
16:00:48 [wendy]
instead of "image needs a long description" wth low confidence
16:01:17 [wendy]
the link text is how to identify the check. descriptive text is given for each check that more clearly describes what the check does.
16:02:02 [wendy]
the next step, after we have checks, are these checks acceptable?
16:04:07 [wendy]
discuss in more detail on ert mailing list
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next week:
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test matrix, assign priorities
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techniques gateway
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next week europe goes to daylight savings
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u.s. changes the following week
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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Don, Wendy, Chris_Ridpath, Michael_Cooper, Tom, Ben, Lisa_Seeman
16:09:00 [wendy]
zakim, bye
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16:09:04 [wendy]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 2 open action items:
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ACTION: michael map html techniques to success criteria [1]
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ACTION: create xslt to generate table that shows mapping from html techniques to success criteria [2]
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