IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-03-24
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- 14:56:12 [RRSAgent]
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- 14:57:07 [sh1m]
- Zakim, list conferences
- 14:57:07 [Zakim]
- I see MM_MMI(ink)9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
- 14:57:08 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are HTML_WG()10:00AM, DI_DIWG()10:00AM, WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
- 14:57:41 [sh1m]
- Zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
- 14:57:41 [Zakim]
- sh1m, I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be WAI_WCAG".
- 14:57:56 [sh1m]
- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 14:57:56 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1m; I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
- 14:58:01 [MichaelC]
- That's a little too persnickity...
- 14:58:06 [sh1m]
- heh pedantic bot.
- 14:59:13 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
- 14:59:20 [Zakim]
- +Don
- 14:59:56 [DonEvans]
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- +Wendy
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- +Chris_Ridpath
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- +Michael_Cooper
- 15:01:31 [Zakim]
- +??P15
- 15:01:41 [sh1m]
- Zakim, ??P15 is Tom
- 15:01:41 [Zakim]
- +Tom; got it
- 15:01:49 [sh1m]
- Zakim, I am Tom
- 15:01:49 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1m, I now associate you with Tom
- 15:02:59 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 15:03:10 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P7 is Ben
- 15:03:10 [Zakim]
- +Ben; got it
- 15:03:13 [ben]
- ben has joined #wai-wcag
- 15:03:22 [sh1m]
- Zakim, ben is Ben
- 15:03:22 [Zakim]
- +Ben; got it
- 15:04:41 [Zakim]
- +??P17
- 15:04:48 [ChrisR]
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- 15:04:52 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P17 is Lisa_Seeman
- 15:04:53 [Zakim]
- +Lisa_Seeman; got it
- 15:05:46 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:05:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Don, Wendy, Chris_Ridpath, Michael_Cooper, Tom, Ben.a, Lisa_Seeman
- 15:08:22 [wendy]
- css: with fixed positioning, when increase font size text runs into each other
- 15:09:26 [wendy]
- generated content - sometimes issues.
- 15:09:40 [wendy]
- clarify things *not* to do in css.
- 15:10:19 [wendy]
- filters for IE, css file. (tom posting link)
- 15:10:57 [sh1m]
- http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/
- 15:14:06 [wendy]
- a separate form for people to review techniques? or rate them? make comments?
- 15:14:19 [wendy]
- i.e., here are the techniques. pick one and make a comment or add test results.
- 15:14:42 [wendy]
- ok with two tier, if that second tier moderated/made of experts.
- 15:15:05 [wendy]
- so, let anyone contribute techniques, set up system where experts make comments/reviews
- 15:15:10 [wendy]
- "peer" review
- 15:15:19 [ben]
- q+
- 15:15:57 [wendy]
- ack q
- 15:16:06 [sh1m]
- ack ben
- 15:16:15 [wendy]
- currently: all the tool does is send an email to the public mailing list.
- 15:16:23 [wendy]
- could send it to the facilitator/editor of the document.
- 15:16:45 [wendy]
- like idea of rating system. but don't create 2 systems.
- 15:17:00 [wendy]
- at this point, better for us to go with form and see what kind of volume we get.
- 15:18:38 [wendy]
- blogging tools to support
- 15:18:49 [wendy]
- a way to motivate people to get involved in discussion.
- 15:19:02 [wendy]
- could outlive techniques.
- 15:19:03 [wendy]
- ack lisa
- 15:19:45 [wendy]
- if anyone can review, then reviews could be worse than technique.
- 15:20:41 [wendy]
- ack lisa
- 15:22:52 [wendy]
- don't want to submit a technique if the review will call me a name
- 15:24:42 [wendy]
- need to be standards for submitting reviews.
- 15:32:31 [wendy]
- hard to figure out which checks go with which guidelines/success criteria/techniques
- 15:33:11 [ChrisR]
- http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/servlet/ShowGuide
- 15:33:45 [wendy]
- ack lisa
- 15:34:20 [wendy]
- end of april metadata mtg?
- 15:34:54 [wendy]
- accessibility metadata summit. brussels. dublin core, ims.
- 15:37:29 [wendy]
- f2f - 1st or 2nd week of june. europe. 4 days - 2 techniques, 2 rest of wcag
- 15:38:40 [wendy]
- back to testing and mapping
- 15:38:50 [wendy]
- redo the exercise of mapping to the existing draft?
- 15:39:07 [wendy]
- mappings are getting out of date quickly.
- 15:39:31 [wendy]
- chris mapped checks to guidelines, not clear which success criteria.
- 15:39:40 [wendy]
- want to generate mapping.
- 15:41:44 [wendy]
- action: michael map html techniques to success criteria
- 15:41:59 [wendy]
- ben working on mapping from wcag 1.0 checkpoints to wcag 2.0 success criteria
- 15:42:10 [wendy]
- michael intended to include as attribute in techniques
- 15:42:19 [wendy]
- not clear that it was a view to generate
- 15:43:58 [wendy]
- action: create xslt to generate table that shows mapping from html techniques to success criteria
- 15:46:14 [ChrisR]
- http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/servlet/ShowCheck
- 15:49:21 [wendy]
- two types of testing:
- 15:49:33 [wendy]
- 1. uaag test suite. information about browser support for techniques
- 15:49:53 [wendy]
- 2. evaluation test suite: help people determine if their content conforms to wcga 2.0.
- 15:50:02 [wendy]
- chris' tool fits into 2nd category.
- 15:50:17 [wendy]
- at f2f discussed taking xml output from existing evaluation tools and via xslt convert to wcag 2.0 results.
- 15:50:24 [wendy]
- checklists could generate earl and help with that.
- 15:51:20 [ChrisR]
- http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/servlet/ShowCheck
- 15:53:04 [wendy]
- must - can be checked w/certainty
- 15:53:28 [wendy]
- (in chris' list of checks, the wording that is used)
- 15:53:59 [wendy]
- next week: test matrix
- 15:54:08 [wendy]
- ack lisa
- 15:54:59 [wendy]
- if disagree with test, send that feedback ?i.e., good test, but always need to provide it?
- 15:55:14 [wendy]
- i.e., always need to apply the test?
- 15:55:55 [wendy]
- this list is a first draft. feedback is encouraged.
- 15:58:50 [wendy]
- have 3 levels of confidence: high, med, low
- 15:58:59 [wendy]
- if source and alt are the same, medium
- 15:59:06 [wendy]
- how does that relate to wording?
- 15:59:37 [wendy]
- e.g., if confidence low but language uses "must" - is that a check on the wording?
- 15:59:55 [wendy]
- should change wording to reflect uncertainty?
- 16:00:23 [wendy]
- perhaps the "must" should be a "should"
- 16:00:33 [wendy]
- e.g., "image may need a long description"
- 16:00:48 [wendy]
- instead of "image needs a long description" wth low confidence
- 16:01:17 [wendy]
- the link text is how to identify the check. descriptive text is given for each check that more clearly describes what the check does.
- 16:02:02 [wendy]
- the next step, after we have checks, are these checks acceptable?
- 16:04:07 [wendy]
- discuss in more detail on ert mailing list
- 16:05:49 [wendy]
- next week:
- 16:05:53 [wendy]
- test matrix, assign priorities
- 16:05:56 [wendy]
- techniques gateway
- 16:06:42 [wendy]
- next week europe goes to daylight savings
- 16:07:40 [wendy]
- u.s. changes the following week
- 16:07:54 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 16:07:55 [Zakim]
- -Ben.a
- 16:07:56 [Zakim]
- -Lisa_Seeman
- 16:07:57 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
- 16:07:58 [Zakim]
- -Tom
- 16:07:59 [Zakim]
- -Chris_Ridpath
- 16:08:07 [Zakim]
- -Don
- 16:08:08 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
- 16:08:09 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Don, Wendy, Chris_Ridpath, Michael_Cooper, Tom, Ben, Lisa_Seeman
- 16:09:00 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
- 16:09:00 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 16:09:04 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:09:04 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items:
- 16:09:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: michael map html techniques to success criteria [1]
- 16:09:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/24-wai-wcag-irc#T15-41-44
- 16:09:04 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: create xslt to generate table that shows mapping from html techniques to success criteria [2]
- 16:09:04 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/24-wai-wcag-irc#T15-43-58