IRC log of swbp on 2004-03-18

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14:54:28 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #swbp
14:54:37 [Ralph]: Meeting: SWBPD WG
14:54:46 [Zakim]: Zakim has joined #swbp
14:54:54 [Ralph]: zakim, this will be swbp
14:54:54 [Zakim]: ok, Ralph; I see SW_BPD()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:56:00 [Ralph]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004JanMar/0069.html agenda
14:56:23 [libby]: libby has joined #swbp
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14:58:07 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()10:00AM has now started
14:58:14 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
14:58:24 [danbri_dna]: danbri_dna has joined #swbp
14:58:29 [ChrisW]: zakim, [IBM] is temporarily ChrisW
14:58:29 [Zakim]: +ChrisW; got it
14:58:40 [Zakim]: +AlbertoR
14:58:53 [Zakim]: +Ralph
14:59:02 [Zakim]: +[UMD]
14:59:19 [Ralph]: zakim, UMD is Jim
14:59:19 [Zakim]: +Jim; got it
14:59:20 [aldoG]: aldoG has joined #Swbp
14:59:21 [Zakim]: +DanBri
14:59:25 [Ralph]: zakim, Aditya is with Jim
14:59:25 [Zakim]: +Aditya; got it
14:59:57 [golbeck]: golbeck has joined #swbp
14:59:57 [davidn]: david norheim from asemantics
15:00:05 [Ralph]: zakim, AlbertoR is really David_Norheim
15:00:05 [Zakim]: +David_Norheim; got it
15:00:11 [Zakim]: +Ivan
15:00:13 [libby]: thanks danbri
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15:00:27 [Zakim]: +[CWI]
15:00:42 [Zakim]: +??P7
15:00:43 [Ralph]: zakim, CWI is Frank
15:00:44 [Zakim]: +Frank; got it
15:00:50 [Zakim]: + +39.068.aaaa
15:00:58 [Guus]: Guus has joined #swbp
15:01:28 [Ralph]: zakim, aaaa is Jeremy
15:01:32 [bwm]: bwm has joined #swbp
15:01:33 [Zakim]: +Jeremy; got it
15:01:39 [Zakim]: +Natasha_Noy
15:01:45 [DanC_]: DanC_ has joined #swbp
15:01:50 [Natasha]: Natasha has joined #swbp
15:01:55 [Zakim]: + +1.301.498.aabb
15:02:11 [libby]: hey alberto!
15:02:22 [danbri]: hi alberto
15:02:37 [Zakim]: +??P16
15:02:38 [Ralph]: zakim, aabb is probably Jen_Golbeck
15:02:40 [Zakim]: +Jen_Golbeck?; got it
15:03:07 [Zakim]: + +00aacc
15:03:19 [Ralph]: zakim, aacc is Jeremy
15:03:19 [Zakim]: +Jeremy; got it
15:03:20 [Zakim]: -??P7
15:03:28 [golbeck]: i have a terrible connection...ick
15:03:51 [Zakim]: +??P7
15:04:00 [bwm]: Zakim, ??P7 is bwm
15:04:00 [Zakim]: +bwm; got it
15:04:39 [Zakim]: + +33.4.92.43.aadd
15:04:45 [jjc]: jjc has joined #swbp
15:04:57 [Ralph]: zakim, aadd is Bernard
15:04:58 [Zakim]: +Bernard; got it
15:05:05 [jjcsribe]: Zakim, who's on the call?
15:05:05 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ChrisW, David_Norheim, Ralph, Jim, bristol, Ivan, Frank, Aldo, Natasha_Noy, Jen_Golbeck?, ??P16, Jeremy.a (muted), bwm, Bernard
15:05:08 [Zakim]: Jim has Jim, Aditya
15:05:10 [Zakim]: bristol has libby
15:05:39 [aditya]: aditya has joined #swbp
15:05:43 [Zakim]: +??P18
15:05:51 [Ralph]: zakim, ??p16 is Shimizu
15:05:51 [Zakim]: +Shimizu; got it
15:05:53 [DanC_]: agenda + role call, review agenda and other admin http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004JanMar/0069.html
15:06:04 [DanC_]: agenda + ACTION ITEM REVIEW
15:06:15 [DanC_]: agenda + TASK FORCES
15:06:27 [DanC_]: agenda + AOB
15:06:38 [Ralph]: zakim, ??p18 Nicholas
15:06:38 [Zakim]: I don't understand '??p18 Nicholas', Ralph
15:06:41 [Guus]: zakim, who is here?
15:06:41 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ChrisW, David_Norheim, Ralph, Jim, bristol, Ivan, Frank, Aldo, Natasha_Noy, Jen_Golbeck?, Shimizu, Jeremy.a (muted), bwm, Bernard, ??P18
15:06:41 [Ralph]: zakim, ??p18 is Nicholas
15:06:44 [Zakim]: Jim has Jim, Aditya
15:06:45 [Zakim]: bristol has libby
15:06:46 [Zakim]: On IRC I see aditya, jjcsribe, Natasha, DanC_, bwm, Guus, areggiori, golbeck, aldoG, danbri, jhendler, libby, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, davidn, ocorcho, ChrisW
15:06:47 [aditya]: hi all (phd student from mindswap, maryland)
15:06:48 [Zakim]: +Nicholas; got it
15:07:41 [Ralph]: zakim, bristol also has DanBri
15:07:41 [Zakim]: +DanBri; got it
15:08:02 [jjcsribe]: Welcome from Guus
15:08:07 [jjcsribe]: But echo on Zakim
15:08:25 [jjcsribe]: Thanks to people who attended kickoff
15:09:38 [jjcsribe]: Guus suggests everyone sends introduction to list.
15:10:24 [nmg]: nmg has joined #swbp
15:10:34 [Zakim]: +Deb_Mcguinness
15:10:46 [Zakim]: -Guus
15:10:49 [jjcscribe]: Guus is redialling because of a bad line
15:11:40 [Zakim]: +Frank
15:11:47 [Ralph]: zakim, Frank is really Guus
15:11:47 [Zakim]: +Guus; got it
15:12:14 [jjcscribe]: Propose to accept minutes of Cannes F2F
15:12:49 [jjcscribe]: DMcG participated remotely,
15:13:15 [jjcscribe]: Seconded and RESOLVED
15:13:23 [jjcscribe]: (with ammendment)
15:13:31 [jjcscribe]: No agenda changes
15:13:40 [jjcscribe]: Telecon time:
15:14:02 [jjcscribe]: e-mail summarized Cannes discussion
15:14:29 [jjcscribe]: Fixed times is for a trial period
15:14:36 [jjcscribe]: (of two months)
15:16:05 [jjcscribe]: Deb: this time is very difficult for me, I have to change my life
15:16:20 [jhendler]: q+ to suggest that TF times and telecon times may help solve this
15:16:29 [jjcscribe]: Deb: the vote was not fair
15:16:50 [jjcscribe]: Derb: I would prefer an alternating time
15:16:56 [jjcscribe]: ^Derb^Deb
15:17:25 [jjcscribe]: q+ to suggest vote should only be for those effected
15:17:26 [Zakim]: jhendler, you wanted to suggest that TF times and telecon times may help solve this
15:17:38 [nmg]: q+
15:17:57 [jjcscribe]: Jim: an alternating time is difficult to schedule for me
15:18:14 [jjcscribe]: Can't taskforces meet at other times outside the telecon
15:18:42 [bwm]: q+ to argue suggest we should be inclusive of folks and try that first
15:18:54 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: I concur with Deb's concern, since the F2F was not representative
15:19:23 [Zakim]: jjcscribe, you wanted to suggest vote should only be for those effected
15:19:43 [bwm]: q-
15:20:04 [jjcscribe]: however groups that alternate lose people
15:20:14 [jjcscribe]: jjcscribe: says above
15:20:17 [Ralph]: Nick Gibbons: decide times in advance
15:20:48 [jjcscribe]: Shmizu its impossible to satisfy everybody - I prefer one time
15:20:56 [nmg]: (it's "Gibbins" ;)
15:21:03 [Ralph]: sorry, Nick!
15:21:19 [jjcscribe]: Shimizu this time is convenient
15:21:31 [Ralph]: zakim, Nicholas is Nick_Gibbins
15:21:31 [Zakim]: +Nick_Gibbins; got it
15:21:51 [areggiori]: areggiori has left #swbp
15:22:36 [jjcscribe]: Natasha 9am west coast does not work for me
15:23:01 [dlm]: dlm has joined #swbp
15:23:02 [jjcscribe]: 10am is a possibility (dinner in Italy)
15:23:14 [Ralph]: [I can live with alternating times]
15:23:23 [jjcscribe]: (i.e. Jim said that)
15:23:50 [jjcscribe]: next week there's the end of daylight saving ...
15:24:33 [Ralph]: ACTION: Ralph create a strall poll form for meeting times, after talking with Guus about alternatives
15:24:35 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: I could organize a web ballot
15:25:09 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW: with alternating times some people can only participate once a month
15:25:24 [jjcscribe]: Deb: once a month is better than zero times a month
15:26:19 [jjcscribe]: Instructions on muting 61# to mute, 60# to unmute
15:26:40 [jjcscribe]: Date of next telecon is open,
15:27:18 [jjcscribe]: Date fixed as April 1, time to be decided.
15:27:34 [jjcscribe]: next agenda
15:27:57 [jjcscribe]: DanBri actions item onnote is continued
15:27:57 [danbri]: danbri has changed the topic to: SWBP 18 March; agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004JanMar/0069.html
15:28:17 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW action on time is continued to 1 Apr
15:28:31 [jjcscribe]: Guus action to ask Jim done
15:28:38 [jjcscribe]: JJc action is done
15:28:41 [danbri]: "danbri send msg to public-esw-thes ..." was DONE; "DanB: investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note" continued.
15:28:54 [jjcscribe]: Ralph's action is done, two hours ago
15:29:05 [jjcscribe]: Danbri's action done
15:29:25 [danbri]: ACTION danbri: investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note
15:29:42 [jjcscribe]: Moving to task force on world view note
15:30:22 [jjcscribe]: Agendum 3.2 (i)
15:30:34 [jjcscribe]: (no (ii))
15:31:04 [jjcscribe]: WorldView about SemWeb, or about Web with SemWeb
15:31:10 [jjcscribe]: Is this one document or two
15:31:10 [davidn]: +1
15:31:35 [jjcscribe]: Jim - my pref is one doc, but TF needs to decide
15:31:46 [jjcscribe]: So far TF = { Deb, Brian }
15:32:06 [jjcscribe]: Guus: possibly PatH
15:32:15 [jjcscribe]: also Frank van H is interested
15:32:30 [jjcscribe]: TF should be between 4 and 8
15:32:47 [Ralph]: David Norheim: also interested
15:32:51 [jjcscribe]: q+ to ask for para intro to TF
15:32:56 [golbeck]: /msg zakim, mute golbeck
15:33:09 [golbeck]: /msg zakim mute golbeck
15:33:22 [golbeck]: zakim, mute golbeck
15:33:22 [Zakim]: sorry, golbeck, I do not see a party named 'golbeck'
15:33:36 [jjcscribe]: Zakim, who's on the call?
15:33:36 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ChrisW, David_Norheim, Ralph, Jim, bristol, Ivan (muted), Aldo, Natasha_Noy, Jen_Golbeck?, Shimizu, Jeremy (muted), bwm, Bernard (muted), Nick_Gibbins,
15:33:39 [Zakim]: ... Deb_Mcguinness, Guus
15:33:40 [Zakim]: Jim has Jim, Aditya
15:33:41 [Zakim]: bristol has libby, DanBri
15:33:49 [Zakim]: jjcscribe, you wanted to ask for para intro to TF
15:33:50 [jjcscribe]: ack
15:34:47 [jjcscribe]: Jeremy: can we have a brief description of the TF
15:35:01 [jjcscribe]: Guus: that will be in another agenda item
15:35:12 [libby]: q+ to ask if the relationhip betwwen xml and rdf/owl is likely part of the worldview taskforce
15:35:17 [golbeck]: zakim, mute Jen_Golbeck
15:35:17 [Zakim]: Jen_Golbeck? should now be muted
15:35:20 [jjcscribe]: JimH: also up to the TF to make that description
15:35:45 [libby]: q-
15:36:12 [jjcscribe]: Zakim, Jeremy is jjcscribe
15:36:12 [Zakim]: +jjcscribe; got it
15:36:30 [Ralph]: [well, I'd have done it the other way 'round, JJC, but ok ;)]
15:36:43 [jjcscribe]: ACTION jimh write description of TF?
15:37:03 [Ralph]: ACTION: JimH write description of TF
15:37:25 [jjcscribe]: Guus we should have a formal list of TFs, similar to an issue list
15:37:36 [Ralph]: zakim, jim no longer has jim
15:37:36 [Zakim]: -Jim; got it
15:37:49 [bwm]: +1 essential
15:38:15 [jjcscribe]: Guus is happy to create a format for TF description
15:38:34 [jjcscribe]: Ralph volunteers as TF list maintainer
15:38:36 [Ralph]: ACTION: Guus to propose a format for TF description
15:38:39 [bwm]: suggest info available as rdf
15:39:20 [jjcscribe]: TF list contains mission and expected results
15:39:28 [jjcscribe]: q+ to include membership?
15:39:49 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW: will there be an issue list for each TF
15:40:01 [bwm]: q+ to ask about issues list
15:40:19 [Zakim]: jjcscribe, you wanted to include membership?
15:41:41 [Ralph]: Guus: while the task force is open, it can list the members
15:41:43 [jjcscribe]: TF members included while TF is live
15:41:46 [Zakim]: bwm, you wanted to ask about issues list
15:42:18 [jjcscribe]: Brian: TF list is not an issue list
15:42:30 [jjcscribe]: But are we going to have an issue list
15:42:46 [jjcscribe]: I have sent e-mail concerning issues ...
15:43:24 [jjcscribe]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004JanMar/0082
15:43:43 [jjcscribe]: Demos and applications - no coordinator
15:43:49 [jjcscribe]: (on agenda)
15:44:23 [jjcscribe]: (now back to 3.2 (i))
15:44:52 [aditya]: i'm interested in demos and apps but i dont think i could coordinate it
15:45:01 [jjcscribe]: straw poll showed a lot of interest but no coordinator
15:45:36 [libby]: I'm interested too
15:45:58 [davidn]: also interested, but not for coordinating it
15:45:58 [jjcscribe]: Porting thesaurii
15:46:07 [jjcscribe]: Danbri not really a plan
15:46:56 [jjcscribe]: Is there a list of TF members
15:47:16 [jjcscribe]: DanBri there are various contacts from Swad E
15:47:50 [jjcscribe]: Not much to report yet ...
15:48:05 [jjcscribe]: OPEN
15:48:39 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW: TFs are discouraged from meeting independently???
15:48:44 [Zakim]: +DanC
15:48:45 [Zakim]: -DanC
15:49:00 [danbri]: swad-e thes work: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/plan/workpackages/live/esw-wp-8.html http://www.w3c.rl.ac.uk/SWAD/thesaurus.html
15:49:03 [jjcscribe]: Guus: no - e-mail should go through the list
15:49:16 [Zakim]: +DanC
15:49:17 [Zakim]: -DanC
15:49:21 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW: how do we go about recording the work
15:49:56 [Zakim]: +DanC
15:49:57 [Zakim]: -DanC
15:49:58 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: danbri get rdf-thes contacts from Giis
15:50:17 [libby]: esw wiki http://esw.w3.org/topic/
15:50:31 [Zakim]: +DanC
15:50:39 [jjcscribe]: no exactly a w3v service ...
15:51:03 [ChrisW]: zakim, who is here?
15:51:03 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ChrisW, David_Norheim, Ralph, Jim, bristol, Ivan (muted), Aldo, Natasha_Noy, Jen_Golbeck? (muted), Shimizu, jjcscribe (muted), bwm, Bernard (muted),
15:51:06 [Zakim]: ... Nick_Gibbins, Deb_Mcguinness, Guus, DanC
15:51:07 [Zakim]: Jim has Aditya
15:51:08 [Zakim]: bristol has libby, DanBri
15:51:09 [Zakim]: On IRC I see dlm, nmg, aditya, jjcscribe, Natasha, DanC_, bwm, Guus, golbeck, aldoG, danbri, libby, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, davidn, ocorcho, ChrisW
15:51:23 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: ChrisW write description of OPEN TF
15:51:51 [fab_gandon]: fab_gandon has joined #swbp
15:52:25 [jjcscribe]: OPEN discusses Wiki or HTML exchange etc ...
15:52:34 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW what about change control
15:52:38 [DanC_]: it doesn't allow you to stomp on each other.
15:53:19 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: we could have a TF editing real web pages at W3C
15:53:44 [jjcscribe]: Guus: should editors drafts be on W3C or on their sites
15:54:00 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: whichever is easier for editor, W3C preference for hosting
15:54:28 [Ralph]: www-archive
15:54:31 [Ralph]: w3c-archive
15:54:35 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: also can use www-archive@w3.org or w3c-archive@w3.org
15:54:42 [jjcscribe]: (public or member-only)
15:55:14 [DanC_]: jjc on use of www-archive http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004JanMar/0034.html
15:55:21 [jjcscribe]: ChrisW: is there a CVS?
15:55:24 [jjcscribe]: Guus: yes
15:55:40 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: W3C is CVS backed
15:55:51 [Ralph]: www.w3.org is CVS-backed
15:55:58 [DanC_]: i.e. http://www.w3.org is cvs-backed. lists.w3.org is not
15:56:56 [danbri]: [for the rdf-thes stuff, my intent with wiki was for content serving purpose of a tf homepage, rather than necessarily for deliverable document]
15:57:44 [jjcscribe]: Ralph: DanC pointed out that Wiki's are not write protected,
15:57:55 [jjcscribe]: DanC_: WIki is a social invite as well ..
15:58:06 [jjcscribe]: for world to write
15:58:28 [jjcscribe]: Moving on ...
15:58:33 [Ralph]: ESW Wiki is CVS-backed too, btw
15:58:56 [jjcscribe]: WordNet ...
15:59:25 [jjcscribe]: aldoG: who wants to be involved?
15:59:42 [davidn]: asemantics (alberto) would also like to help here
15:59:50 [libby]: I would too
15:59:55 [DanC_]: wordnet representation by decker... anybody know the domain name he chose?
16:00:10 [jjcscribe]: issue of porting or evaluating ports
16:00:20 [Zakim]: +[BEA]
16:00:26 [jjcscribe]: Aldo I will contact formal co-ordinator of wordnet project
16:00:53 [danbri]: [melnik/decker version, see http://www.daml.org/ontologies/123]
16:01:07 [Zakim]: -[BEA]
16:01:25 [jjcscribe]: will contact many people
16:01:45 [libby]: +q
16:01:51 [libby]: q+
16:01:59 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: aldo e-mail update to mailing list
16:02:12 [jjcscribe]: (to cover scribe failure)
16:02:29 [bwm]: q+
16:02:36 [danbri]: [wordnet is really interesting re ontologies / thesaurus relationship, as is midway between the two worlds...]
16:02:41 [jjcscribe]: Libby is interested in participating#]
16:03:00 [jjcscribe]: bwm: para description?
16:03:20 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: aldo describe Wordnet TF for list
16:03:34 [jjcscribe]: TopicMaps
16:03:55 [jjcscribe]: Bernard: propose sending msg
16:04:26 [jjcscribe]: Guus wants to read it, ...
16:04:35 [Ralph]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004JanMar/0081.html Bernard's most recent draft
16:04:38 [Mark]: Mark has joined #swbp
16:04:40 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: guus, read bernard's e-mail
16:05:05 [Zakim]: +??P35
16:05:30 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: guus, to finalize e-mail, notify cg, and send out msg
16:05:38 [Mark]: zakim, ??P35 is Mark
16:05:38 [Zakim]: +Mark; got it
16:06:02 [jjcscribe]: RESOLVED: to contact topic maps as above
16:06:14 [jjcscribe]: Agenda XHTML/RDF TF
16:06:32 [jjcscribe]: Dan takes floor
16:06:36 [jjcscribe]: DanC
16:06:38 [bijan]: bijan has joined #swbp
16:06:39 [DanC_]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2004Mar/thread.html
16:06:50 [jjcscribe]: there has been some e-mail traffic
16:07:09 [jjcscribe]: discussion of XSLT mapping
16:07:13 [aldoG]: I have to leave for 10 minutes
16:07:13 [Guus]: zakim, whomis here?
16:07:13 [Zakim]: I don't understand your question, Guus.
16:07:20 [Zakim]: -Aldo
16:07:40 [Guus]: zakim, who is here?
16:07:40 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ChrisW, David_Norheim, Ralph, Jim, bristol, Ivan (muted), Natasha_Noy, Jen_Golbeck? (muted), Shimizu, jjcscribe (muted), bwm, Bernard (muted), Nick_Gibbins,
16:07:43 [Zakim]: ... Deb_Mcguinness, Guus, DanC, Mark
16:07:44 [Zakim]: Jim has Aditya
16:07:45 [Zakim]: bristol has libby, DanBri
16:07:46 [Zakim]: On IRC I see bijan, Mark, fab_gandon, dlm, nmg, aditya, jjcscribe, Natasha, DanC_, bwm, Guus, golbeck, aldoG, danbri, libby, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, davidn, ocorcho, ChrisW
16:07:54 [jjcscribe]: How to put RDF in one part of xhtml doc?
16:07:58 [Ralph]: [Mark is Mark Birbeck]
16:08:12 [jjcscribe]: unsolved problem (above)
16:09:02 [jjcscribe]: what is the short term plan
16:09:14 [DanC_]: jjc's review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2004Mar/0004.html
16:10:07 [DanC_]: jjc: in sum, "I like it". I raised a number of technical details.
16:11:22 [jjcscribe]: Mark trying to get stuff into xhtml2 spec
16:11:46 [jjcscribe]: XHTML WG committed
16:12:15 [jjcscribe]: comments on xml.com ...
16:12:37 [jjcscribe]: did not understand what motivates this, what are the problems, what are the constraints etc.
16:12:47 [jjcscribe]: (anyone got URL for comments)
16:13:18 [Zakim]: DanC_, you wanted to ask who feels like a customer of the task force's deliverable
16:13:51 [jjcscribe]: DanC mention GRDDL background doc, useful for Mark?
16:14:05 [bwm]: I feel like a customer
16:14:10 [jjcscribe]: Who is a customer?
16:14:29 [Ralph]: Nick Gibbins: AKT has had to solve this problem
16:14:33 [jjcscribe]: NickG - I am a customer, we want a single solution
16:14:35 [danbri]: q+ to play foaf-as-customer
16:15:08 [jjcscribe]: DanC_: *who* is DC?
16:15:10 [Zakim]: danbri, you wanted to play foaf-as-customer
16:15:33 [jjcscribe]: DanBri - daveb, em, danbri are all on DC advisory board
16:15:58 [jjcscribe]: foaf what is a semantic web homepage?
16:16:05 [jjcscribe]: shoul;d be part of your own homepage
16:16:34 [jjcscribe]: DanC_: are we done, if we are not done what do we need?
16:16:49 [jjcscribe]: q+ to talk abotu ISWC2004 an semantic annotation
16:17:12 [Zakim]: + +068aaee
16:17:21 [ocorcho]: ocorcho has joined #swbp
16:18:22 [jjcscribe]: Zakim, who's talking?
16:18:33 [Zakim]: jjcscribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (50%), Shimizu (6%), DanC (18%), Mark (9%), +068aaee (4%)
16:18:45 [danbri]: is 'the list' public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf ?
16:18:55 [DanC_]: yes, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/
16:19:13 [danbri]: [that's the list I pointed the DC folks at]
16:19:38 [jjcscribe]: ACTION: danC to send mail requesting fedback to both lists.
16:19:52 [aldoG]: i am back
16:20:07 [bwm]: bwm has left #swbp
16:20:49 [jjcscribe]: DanC_: I don't want to lead, can someone else volunteer? Pls think about it
16:21:17 [jjcscribe]: Back to main agenda ...
16:21:20 [jjcscribe]: Thanks to Mark
16:21:21 [DanC_]: s/I don't want to lead/I'm willing to lead, but would be happier for somebody else to lead/
16:21:24 [Zakim]: -Mark
16:22:06 [Zakim]: -bwm
16:22:07 [aldoG]: i am muted
16:22:19 [Mark]: Mark has left #swbp
16:22:29 [jjcscribe]: Aldo tries again on wordnet
16:22:39 [Zakim]: -DanC
16:22:57 [jjcscribe]: TF will review and contact people who have already done ports
16:23:03 [jjcscribe]: Steffen Decker,
16:23:12 [jjcscribe]: OWL translation in Switzerland
16:23:37 [jjcscribe]: Princeton wordnet project
16:23:46 [jjcscribe]: Euro-wordnet ...
16:24:03 [jjcscribe]: Guus: euro is only commercial ... ?
16:24:15 [jjcscribe]: aldoG: yes
16:24:55 [jjcscribe]: aldoG: issues to do with copyright etc of national wordnets
16:25:26 [jjcscribe]: portability issues
16:25:47 [jjcscribe]: what is the psychological models for this sort of ontology
16:26:24 [jjcscribe]: what is the best way to express wordnet relationships in ontological model
16:26:47 [Zakim]: -Natasha_Noy
16:27:41 [jjcscribe]: Guus reminds action on ending stuff to list
16:27:57 [corcho]: corcho has joined #swbp
16:27:57 [jjcscribe]: Next time lets talk about this more, what initial results are we after ...
16:28:07 [jjcscribe]: q+ to talk about accessibility of results
16:28:19 [Zakim]: jjcscribe, you wanted to talk abotu ISWC2004 an semantic annotation and to talk about accessibility of results
16:28:55 [Ralph]: Jeremy: Wordnet is used by a large number of people, so it's important even if it does not have a lot of modelling depth
16:28:56 [danbri]: q+ to 2nd jjc and report his usage
16:29:01 [danbri]: q-
16:29:04 [danbri]: [time...]
16:29:04 [bijan]: Semantic annotation? Terry Payne is doing cool stuff with the AAAI Semantic Web Services symposium
16:29:31 [bijan]: see: http://www.daml.ecs.soton.ac.uk/SSS-SWS04.html
16:29:42 [jjcscribe]: danbri what's the namespace for wordnet
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16:30:43 [Zakim]: -ChrisW
16:30:44 [Zakim]: -Jim
16:30:45 [Zakim]: -Ivan
16:30:45 [Zakim]: -Nick_Gibbins
16:30:46 [Zakim]: -Bernard
16:30:47 [Zakim]: -David_Norheim
16:30:48 [Zakim]: -Aldo
16:30:48 [corcho]: corcho has joined #swbp
16:30:49 [Zakim]: -Shimizu
16:30:50 [jjcscribe]: adjourned
16:30:51 [Zakim]: -jjcscribe
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16:30:55 [Zakim]: -Ralph
16:31:01 [Zakim]: -bristol
16:31:03 [Zakim]: -Deb_Mcguinness
16:31:08 [libby]: thanks guus, ralph
16:31:33 [nmg]: what libby said...
16:31:45 [danbri]: [re wordnet, the big issue to my mind is whether, if we map noun terms to RDF classes, what namespace URI to use (end in # vs /) since that affects what you can do by derferencing a term]
16:31:51 [Zakim]: -Guus
16:32:05 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()10:00AM has ended
16:32:06 [Zakim]: Attendees were ChrisW, Ralph, [UMD], Jim, Aditya, danbri, David_Norheim, libby, Ivan, [CWI], +39.068.aaaa, Natasha_Noy, +1.301.498.aabb, Jen_Golbeck?, +00aacc, bwm,
16:32:08 [Zakim]: ... +33.4.92.43.aadd, Bernard, Shimizu, Deb_Mcguinness, Guus, Nick_Gibbins, jjcscribe, DanC, [BEA], Mark, +068aaee, Aldo
16:32:14 [Guus]: Guus has left #swbp
16:32:37 [libby]: [I use your version all the time for annotations 'cos you don;t have to down load the whole of wordnet, danbri...]
16:33:09 [Ralph]: Libby, that point (downloading the whole) is one that TimBl needs to hear ;)
16:33:50 [corcho]: corcho has left #swbp
16:34:05 [danbri]: I expect this will prompt an interaction with the TAG.
16:34:51 [danbri]: this was an RDF Schema WG issue.
16:34:53 [danbri]: http://www.w3.org/RDF/Group/Schema/openissues.html#c9
16:35:38 [danbri]: I think this excerpt from the Member archives is reasonable in the context: "June 30th minutes... Unanimous vote to close this issue. We agreed that:
16:35:38 [danbri]: "The issue of addressing fragments of an RDF schema is broader than can be addressed within the RDF Schemas working group. We anticipate that other XML and RDF working groups will provide for the resolution of these issues."
16:35:49 [danbri]: (30 June 1998)
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16:51:07 [Ralph]: rrsagent, please excuse us
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: I see 11 open action items:
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph create a strall poll form for meeting times, after talking with Guus about alternatives [1]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T15-24-33
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: danbri to investigate publication of Turtle as SWIG note [2]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T15-29-25
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JimH write description of TF [3]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T15-37-03
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Guus to propose a format for TF description [4]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T15-38-36
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: danbri get rdf-thes contacts from Giis [5]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T15-49-58
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: ChrisW write description of OPEN TF [6]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T15-51-23
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: aldo e-mail update to mailing list [7]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T16-01-59
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: aldo describe Wordnet TF for list [8]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T16-03-20
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: guus, read bernard's e-mail [9]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T16-04-40
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: guus, to finalize e-mail, notify cg, and send out msg [10]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T16-05-30
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: danC to send mail requesting fedback to both lists. [11]
16:51:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/03/18-swbp-irc#T16-19-38