IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-02-18

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action: wendy and michael propose agenda
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15:32:00 [wendy]
wcag 1.0 errata
15:33:49 [wendy]
q+ to say "need to create test matrix of what tests we need results from. then gather data. whether by testing or gathering from test results on web"
15:34:41 [wendy]
dave is working on a mapping from wcag 1.0 to 2.0 html techniques (similar to css)
15:37:51 [wendy]
vlue of mapping: have we missed anything? are techniques specifically left out (of 2.0)?
15:38:13 [wendy]
are there conflicts? things we need to deprecate?
15:39:58 [wendy]
eowg interested in 1.0 to 2.0 transition. mapping relevant to discussion.
15:42:57 [wendy]
instead of doing tests ourselves, need to identify what to test then gather results or give to people to test.
15:43:19 [wendy]
creating test files: look to uaag test suite and html test suite. use that format to generate tests.
15:43:56 [wendy]
e.g., label element and for attribute. neither have tests for that. action would be write tests in one of those formats.
15:43:58 [wendy]
wendy: 1.3
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david: 1.5
15:44:20 [wendy]
ben: 7.1, 7.2, 7.3
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michael: 7.4, 7.5
15:44:32 [wendy]
michael: 10.2
15:44:39 [wendy]
david: 10.5
15:45:50 [wendy]
wendy did 10.2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0061.html
15:46:32 [wendy]
david: 1.5, 10.5: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0100.html
15:48:58 [wendy]
uaag test suite: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
15:52:17 [wendy]
tom's group setting up a lab.
15:52:42 [wendy]
ack
15:52:44 [wendy]
ack wendy
15:52:44 [Zakim]
wendy, you wanted to say "need to create test matrix of what tests we need results from. then gather data. whether by testing or gathering from test results on web"
15:52:51 [wendy]
ack [Microsoft]
15:53:32 [wendy]
wendy and jenae working on test matrix so that what operating system, asst. tech combinations we would test
15:53:38 [wendy]
can't do just a few but can't do all
15:53:53 [wendy]
test matrix lists os/browser/asst tech combinations. next step is to prioritize.
15:54:17 [wendy]
p1 are those that we commit to test. all techs would need to be tested on these.
15:54:34 [wendy]
test p2 and p3 when folks have time. may not get to.
15:56:18 [wendy]
discuss draft 25 feb mtg, then more discussion at f2f
15:56:40 [wendy]
cancel 3 march meeting
15:57:50 [wendy]
back to wcag 1.0 errata: don't do tests, create test files
15:58:18 [wendy]
what about the other checkpoints w/"until user agents"?
16:01:02 [wendy]
whatever we decide, we need to provide evidendence of that decision
16:03:23 [wendy]
action: wendy talk with uawg about test suite
16:04:27 [wendy]
have the tests done by next week, per assignments.
16:10:06 [ChrisR]
Link to checks and test files: http://checker.atrc.utoronto.ca/checks/checks.html
16:14:34 [wendy]
close 725
16:14:55 [wendy]
action: wendy make edits to css techs based on tim's proposal for 725
16:16:23 [wendy]
issue 726
16:16:28 [wendy]
not sure have techniques under every category
16:17:04 [wendy]
action: wendy change order based on tim's proposal for 726
16:18:21 [wendy]
action: wendy talk with bert and tim at t.p. about 727
16:19:46 [wendy]
issue 728
16:19:55 [wendy]
relative and absolute units
16:20:13 [wendy]
% missing
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0247.html
16:20:33 [wendy]
debate about px
16:21:18 [wendy]
not to define how css defines px, it's an implementation issue w/how browsers handle px.
16:21:31 [wendy]
px is relative to hardware, while %, em, ex are relative to layout.
16:21:38 [wendy]
it is layout that we are more concerned about.
16:24:57 [wendy]
general approach we can take in our techs: replace relative with em and %, replace absolute with px
16:26:31 [wendy]
i.e., use em and % for things that change (font, width), use px for things that don't (margins)
16:26:45 [wendy]
however, if only 10 px indent and text increases, can't tell that indented.
16:26:54 [wendy]
the interactions are complex
16:28:46 [wendy]
want to provide authors with information about what to look for, how to test.
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16:31:16 [Zakim]
-Chris_Ridpath
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-Lisa_Seeman
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-Michael_Cooper
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-[Microsoft]
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-Dave_MacDonald
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-Ben
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-Tom
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-Wendy
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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Chris_Ridpath, Dave_MacDonald, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Tom, Wendy, [Microsoft], Lisa_Seeman
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16:38:59 [wendy]
[11:29] <wendy> reflowing layouts
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[11:29] <wendy> ask tantek
16:38:59 [wendy]
[11:29] <wendy> look to a list apart, meyer, etc.
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[11:30] <wendy> dave shea's response on wcag .
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[11:31] <wendy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0080.html
16:38:59 [wendy]
[11:32] <wendy> action: wendy ask dave to look at issue 728
16:39:01 [wendy]
[11:34] <wendy> next week: test matrix, next steps wcag 1.0 errata, f2f agenda
16:39:05 [wendy]
action: wendy ask dave to look at issue 728
16:39:16 [wendy]
zakim, bye
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16:39:19 [wendy]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 6 open action items:
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ACTION: wendy and michael propose agenda [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T15-31-38
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ACTION: wendy talk with uawg about test suite [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-03-23
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ACTION: wendy make edits to css techs based on tim's proposal for 725 [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-14-55
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ACTION: wendy change order based on tim's proposal for 726 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-17-04
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ACTION: wendy talk with bert and tim at t.p. about 727 [5]
16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-18-21
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ACTION: wendy ask dave to look at issue 728 [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-39-05