IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-02-18
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- action: wendy and michael propose agenda
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- ===
- 15:32:00 [wendy]
- wcag 1.0 errata
- 15:33:49 [wendy]
- q+ to say "need to create test matrix of what tests we need results from. then gather data. whether by testing or gathering from test results on web"
- 15:34:41 [wendy]
- dave is working on a mapping from wcag 1.0 to 2.0 html techniques (similar to css)
- 15:37:51 [wendy]
- vlue of mapping: have we missed anything? are techniques specifically left out (of 2.0)?
- 15:38:13 [wendy]
- are there conflicts? things we need to deprecate?
- 15:39:58 [wendy]
- eowg interested in 1.0 to 2.0 transition. mapping relevant to discussion.
- 15:42:57 [wendy]
- instead of doing tests ourselves, need to identify what to test then gather results or give to people to test.
- 15:43:19 [wendy]
- creating test files: look to uaag test suite and html test suite. use that format to generate tests.
- 15:43:56 [wendy]
- e.g., label element and for attribute. neither have tests for that. action would be write tests in one of those formats.
- 15:43:58 [wendy]
- wendy: 1.3
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- david: 1.5
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- ben: 7.1, 7.2, 7.3
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- michael: 7.4, 7.5
- 15:44:32 [wendy]
- michael: 10.2
- 15:44:39 [wendy]
- david: 10.5
- 15:45:50 [wendy]
- wendy did 10.2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0061.html
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- david: 1.5, 10.5: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0100.html
- 15:48:58 [wendy]
- uaag test suite: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
- 15:52:17 [wendy]
- tom's group setting up a lab.
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- ack
- 15:52:44 [wendy]
- ack wendy
- 15:52:44 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to say "need to create test matrix of what tests we need results from. then gather data. whether by testing or gathering from test results on web"
- 15:52:51 [wendy]
- ack [Microsoft]
- 15:53:32 [wendy]
- wendy and jenae working on test matrix so that what operating system, asst. tech combinations we would test
- 15:53:38 [wendy]
- can't do just a few but can't do all
- 15:53:53 [wendy]
- test matrix lists os/browser/asst tech combinations. next step is to prioritize.
- 15:54:17 [wendy]
- p1 are those that we commit to test. all techs would need to be tested on these.
- 15:54:34 [wendy]
- test p2 and p3 when folks have time. may not get to.
- 15:56:18 [wendy]
- discuss draft 25 feb mtg, then more discussion at f2f
- 15:56:40 [wendy]
- cancel 3 march meeting
- 15:57:50 [wendy]
- back to wcag 1.0 errata: don't do tests, create test files
- 15:58:18 [wendy]
- what about the other checkpoints w/"until user agents"?
- 16:01:02 [wendy]
- whatever we decide, we need to provide evidendence of that decision
- 16:03:23 [wendy]
- action: wendy talk with uawg about test suite
- 16:04:27 [wendy]
- have the tests done by next week, per assignments.
- 16:10:06 [ChrisR]
- Link to checks and test files: http://checker.atrc.utoronto.ca/checks/checks.html
- 16:14:34 [wendy]
- close 725
- 16:14:55 [wendy]
- action: wendy make edits to css techs based on tim's proposal for 725
- 16:16:23 [wendy]
- issue 726
- 16:16:28 [wendy]
- not sure have techniques under every category
- 16:17:04 [wendy]
- action: wendy change order based on tim's proposal for 726
- 16:18:21 [wendy]
- action: wendy talk with bert and tim at t.p. about 727
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- issue 728
- 16:19:55 [wendy]
- relative and absolute units
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- % missing
- 16:20:29 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0247.html
- 16:20:33 [wendy]
- debate about px
- 16:21:18 [wendy]
- not to define how css defines px, it's an implementation issue w/how browsers handle px.
- 16:21:31 [wendy]
- px is relative to hardware, while %, em, ex are relative to layout.
- 16:21:38 [wendy]
- it is layout that we are more concerned about.
- 16:24:57 [wendy]
- general approach we can take in our techs: replace relative with em and %, replace absolute with px
- 16:26:31 [wendy]
- i.e., use em and % for things that change (font, width), use px for things that don't (margins)
- 16:26:45 [wendy]
- however, if only 10 px indent and text increases, can't tell that indented.
- 16:26:54 [wendy]
- the interactions are complex
- 16:28:46 [wendy]
- want to provide authors with information about what to look for, how to test.
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- 16:31:16 [Zakim]
- -Chris_Ridpath
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- -Lisa_Seeman
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Dave_MacDonald
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- -Ben
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- -Tom
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- -Wendy
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- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Chris_Ridpath, Dave_MacDonald, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Tom, Wendy, [Microsoft], Lisa_Seeman
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- 16:38:59 [wendy]
- [11:29] <wendy> reflowing layouts
- 16:38:59 [wendy]
- [11:29] <wendy> ask tantek
- 16:38:59 [wendy]
- [11:29] <wendy> look to a list apart, meyer, etc.
- 16:38:59 [wendy]
- [11:30] <wendy> dave shea's response on wcag .
- 16:38:59 [wendy]
- [11:31] <wendy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0080.html
- 16:38:59 [wendy]
- [11:32] <wendy> action: wendy ask dave to look at issue 728
- 16:39:01 [wendy]
- [11:34] <wendy> next week: test matrix, next steps wcag 1.0 errata, f2f agenda
- 16:39:05 [wendy]
- action: wendy ask dave to look at issue 728
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- zakim, bye
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- 16:39:19 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 6 open action items:
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- ACTION: wendy and michael propose agenda [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T15-31-38
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- ACTION: wendy talk with uawg about test suite [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-03-23
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- ACTION: wendy make edits to css techs based on tim's proposal for 725 [3]
- 16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-14-55
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- ACTION: wendy change order based on tim's proposal for 726 [4]
- 16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-17-04
- 16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wendy talk with bert and tim at t.p. about 727 [5]
- 16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-18-21
- 16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wendy ask dave to look at issue 728 [6]
- 16:39:19 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-39-05