IRC log of rdfcore on 2004-01-30
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- 14:59:38 [danbri]
- what do you folks see at: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns
- 14:59:46 [danbri]
- old stuff, or new (incl Ontology tag etc)?
- 15:00:06 [Zakim]
- SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has now started
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- +FrankM
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- -FrankM
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- +FrankM
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- +DanBri
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- +??P20
- 15:00:53 [janet]
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- zakim, please call janet-617
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- ok, janet; the call is being made
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- Zakim, ??p20 is bwm
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- +Janet
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- +bwm; got it
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- +EMiller
- 15:01:34 [danbri]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0095.html
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- +??P21
- 15:01:43 [DaveB]
- Zakim,??P21 is DaveB
- 15:01:43 [Zakim]
- +DaveB; got it
- 15:02:01 [danbri]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 15:02:01 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see FrankM, DanBri, bwm, Janet, EMiller, DaveB
- 15:02:39 [danbri]
- gk, are you dialing in?
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- +GrahamKlyne
- 15:03:21 [bwm]
- http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns contains an ontology section
- 15:03:22 [danbri]
- zakim, pick a scribe?
- 15:03:22 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, danbri.
- 15:03:26 [danbri]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 15:03:26 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanBri
- 15:03:30 [danbri]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 15:03:30 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bwm
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- regrets from danc, pat, janG, jjc
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- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:04:20 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see FrankM, DanBri, bwm, Janet, EMiller, DaveB, GrahamKlyne
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- +Mike_Dean
- 15:04:52 [danbri]
- Janet on testamonials: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0089.html
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- 4: Testimonial Orientation
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- Guest: Janet Daly
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- Janet: congrats on having docs ready
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- ... preparing for a big announcement about rdfcore and webont drafts
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- ... plans
- 15:06:00 [DaveB]
- janet knows this is logged, yeah?
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- ... hoping on Feb 10 that rdfcore and webont drafts will be published as recs (modulo directors decision)
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- ... plan to have a joint announcement under banner of semantic web milestone
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- ... thought it best to have a single big announcement showing how pratical applications are already kicking in
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- ... testimonials are important
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- ... testimonials are accepted through ... missed the date
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- ... focusing on specific current or specific planned uses of the semweb specs
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- ... good to give precise and concrete examples of how these specs are being used
- 15:09:34 [danbri]
- q+ to ask re single quote on RDF vs one on RDF, one on OWL?
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- ... want to dispose of the myth that this is all theoretical
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- q+ to ask janet about closing date for testimonials
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- ... the goal is to have people thinks its real and exciting and they want to learn more
- 15:10:58 [danbri]
- ack me
- 15:10:58 [Zakim]
- danbri, you wanted to ask re single quote on RDF vs one on RDF, one on OWL?
- 15:11:20 [bwm_scribe]
- danbri: do you want single quote on RDF and a single on Owl or a joint quote
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- Janet: there will be two separate testimonial sheets
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- .. can run joint testimonials on both sheets
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- ... or have separate testimonials
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- ... don't make things up
- 15:12:31 [danbri]
- ack bwm_scribe
- 15:12:31 [Zakim]
- bwm_scribe, you wanted to ask janet about closing date for testimonials
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- ack bwm_scribe
- 15:12:44 [danbri]
- janet: end of business (whever you are) 6 feb
- 15:12:49 [bwm_scribe]
- janet: end date is 06 Feb 2004
- 15:12:51 [danbri]
- ...see mail msg 4: Testimonial Orientation
- 15:12:51 [danbri]
- Guest: Janet Daly
- 15:12:55 [danbri]
- oops bad paste
- 15:12:57 [bwm_scribe]
- that is end date for testimonials
- 15:13:02 [DaveB]
- see janet's mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0089.html
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- janet: folks might want to allow time for w3c review of the testimonial and time to ammend it
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- ... allow one days turnaround
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- ... send to two addresses i.e. comms team and eric miller
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- ... comms team distributed around the globe
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- frank: has this request for testimonials gone to the AC? There are orgs, e.g. Sun that are not on the WG but are users of RDF.
- 15:16:43 [ericm]
- q+
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- Janet: no specific request to membership but likely will today
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- Frank: can we have pointers to examples
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- http://www.w3.org/Press/
- 15:17:14 [ericm]
- Frank, http://www.w3.org/2004/01/ccpp-testimonial
- 15:17:22 [bwm_scribe]
- Janet: start here - you'll find some
- 15:17:41 [danbri]
- q?
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- ack ericm
- 15:17:49 [bwm_scribe]
- Danbri: we've looked at the cc/pp example
- 15:17:54 [DaveB]
- q+
- 15:18:32 [danbri]
- brian, was "5: Press Release Input and Request for Reviewers" on agenda covered? (wasn't sure your intent re 'Reviewers')
- 15:18:34 [bwm_scribe]
- em: whilst we haven't asked the ac yet, em has been approaching folks for testimonials
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- danbri: ask eric - I just copied his request
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- em: I'm pretty excited about the support we are getting ...
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- danbri: eric and janet - do you want reviwers
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- janet: sometimes orgs want to see press release before submitting testimonial
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- ... we hope to have a draft press release this afternoon
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- ... some orgs want to make press releases of their own to accompany w3c announcement
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- ... w3c welcomes that
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- ... w3c would like to see the text no later than 24 hours before announcement
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- ... to check for accurate representation ofw3c
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- ... 2nd thing is that any companion release is at least 15 mins after schedule w3c release
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- q+
- 15:22:24 [danbri]
- ack DaveB
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- daveb: time of release is Tues 10 Feb 10am Eastern
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- daveb: my name is associated with RDF. should I have a director sign testimonial
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- janet: there are no restrictions on name, but suggest choose someone who would recognised in the trade press
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- note: it was janet who gave timing of release
- 15:24:43 [janet]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0089.html
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- janet: press folks have to turn a story round in three hours - to them titles are important
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- daveb: can the person to be rung up be different to the person who provides testimonial
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- janet: take offline
- 15:27:31 [danbri]
- ack bwm_scribe
- 15:28:39 [bwm_scribe]
- bwm: should accompanying press release wait till 15 minutes after scheluded or actual w3c release
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- janet: docs must go first
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- janet: if there is a problem with docs then w3c release will be delayed
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- janet: we might call you and say don't send it
- 15:31:18 [danbri]
- brian: so we'll go ahead unless we hear from you?
- 15:31:22 [danbri]
- janet: yes
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- ...phone numbers needed
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- janet: hp should plan to release on schedule and w3c will call if there is a problem requiring delay
- 15:32:11 [DaveB]
- thanks janet
- 15:32:23 [bwm_scribe]
- if you have any questions send to w3tpr list with cc to eric
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- -Janet
- 15:32:58 [bwm_scribe]
- janet has been dreaming of semweb super tuesday for a while, and its great to finally have it
- 15:33:00 [danbri]
- 6: Next telecon 13 Feb 2004 1000 Boston Time
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- 15:33:19 [DaveB]
- 13feb is a saturday
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- em: brian please take a look at press release
- 15:33:41 [janet]
- no, it's friday the 13th!
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- bwm: ok
- 15:33:53 [DaveB]
- gah, me and dates, me--
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- next meeting: 13 Feb?
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- em suggests 6th rather than 13th
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- next meeting is 6th, if we need it.
- 15:35:34 [danbri]
- 7: Rec Docs sanity check
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- rec docs sanity check
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- to move to rec, there is editorial work to do:
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- em: key points ...
- 15:36:22 [ericm]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/
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- ... using primer as example
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- em: changes will be made by w3c team
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- ... want editors to check the changes
- 15:37:23 [danbri]
- ...i've been making changes in prep for rec
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- ... draw ed's attention to a few main points ...
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- ... style sheets, copyright, links to errata and translations
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- ... want a check on status of the docs sections
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- ... check references are correct
- 15:38:53 [DaveB]
- is "Proposed Recommendation Working Draft" the right phrase in the status? s/Working Draft// ?
- 15:38:58 [bwm_scribe]
- ... there will be a single status section for all docs
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- ... also note big yellow box whcih is a standard disclaimer
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- frank: we should check whether these have the staging URI's are references
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- em: staging ...
- 15:40:17 [gk]
- q+ to ask if editors can be notified when w3c team has made changes
- 15:40:38 [bwm_scribe]
- frank: did you see my email yesterday about some of these
- 15:41:13 [DaveB]
- frank's mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0100.html
- 15:41:15 [danbri]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0100.html
- 15:41:38 [bwm_scribe]
- em: are you willing to pair with me on chekcing the status of the doc?
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- frank: do I need to do anything?
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- em: danbri and em to follow up with Frank
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- em: editors - please do not make any further changes to these documents
- 15:43:17 [bwm_scribe]
- frank: thats fine - please note the comments that I made
- 15:44:14 [bwm_scribe]
- danbri: I have a schema issue
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- danbri: I've updated the doc at the schema namespace URI which requires a change to the schema doc
- 15:44:51 [bwm_scribe]
- em: liase with me. em has write lock on the documents
- 15:45:06 [gk]
- q+ eric's page of diffs ... URI?
- 15:45:17 [gk]
- q+ to ask about eric's page of diffs ... URI?
- 15:45:45 [bwm_scribe]
- em: don't check till the big yellow box is there
- 15:45:51 [danbri]
- q?
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- q+
- 15:45:53 [danbri]
- ack gk
- 15:45:54 [Zakim]
- gk, you wanted to ask if editors can be notified when w3c team has made changes and to ask about eric's page of diffs ... URI?
- 15:46:15 [bwm_scribe]
- gk: em - jjc is unavailable so I assume I'm doing this
- 15:46:26 [bwm_scribe]
- ... em: what is the uri of the page of diffs?
- 15:46:38 [danbri]
- ack bwm_scribe
- 15:47:04 [bwm_scribe]
- em: will need to follow up on that ...
- 15:47:07 [DaveB]
- I just visuall checked CVS 1.56 of rdf syntax, the diffs look ok. refs look ok
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- ACTION: danbri - review schema
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- ACTION: daveb review syntax
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- ACTION: daveb review test cases
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- ACTION: frank primer
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- ACTION: gk concepts
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- ACTION: em review model theory
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- danbri: what about lbase
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- danbri: we have not rev'd it
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- em: yes
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- 8. mime-type registration
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- frank: mime-type reference will expire a month after we publish
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- daveb: syntax does not refer to url of mime-types doc
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- ... refers to the page where you can find it
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- gk: the internet draft references will become obsolete
- 15:50:48 [bwm_scribe]
- gk: dave's suggestion is a good one
- 15:51:13 [bwm_scribe]
- danbri: propose update mimetype reference to ...
- 15:52:06 [ericm]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-syntax-grammar-20030117/
- 15:52:08 [bwm_scribe]
- gk: is the rdf reference on the iana web page yet?
- 15:52:08 [DaveB]
- syntax ref is to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-syntax-grammar-20030117/#ref-iana-media-types
- 15:53:47 [DaveB]
- "Registration Note (Informative): For the state of the MIME type registration, consult IANA MIME Media Types[[IANA-MEDIA-TYPES] "
- 15:54:44 [bwm_scribe]
- bwm: hard to find the reference
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- danbri: em please take this offline
- 15:55:14 [bwm_scribe]
- daveb: do I have to do anything?
- 15:55:24 [bwm_scribe]
- em: no - I have the monkey, though I may consult with DAve
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- ACTION: em use judgement to update IANA reference appropriately
- 15:56:16 [danbri]
- 9: TAG Architecture Doc review
- 15:56:24 [danbri]
- bwm: we agreed as a group to review TAG arch doc
- 15:56:35 [danbri]
- both gk and jang agreed to do this. we have gk's.
- 15:57:06 [danbri]
- ...idea here was to see if there was discussion on gk's points.
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- gk: too soon to do anything detailed with these
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- gk: when we talked about the mimetype registration ...
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- gk: do we want to press ahead as soon as posible or wait till docs get to REC?
- 15:57:50 [bwm_scribe]
- gk: recommend pushing ahead
- 15:58:35 [bwm_scribe]
- bwm: I thought we'd decided to press ahead, is anyone proposing to change this
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- gk: aaron is holding off because he assumed we would wait for rec
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- danbri: rec is so soon - lets do that
- 15:59:39 [bwm_scribe]
- gk: I hadn't realised rec was so soon, so I agree
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- RESOLVED: wait for rec
- 15:59:52 [danbri]
- resolved: to wait for rec
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- ACTION: please let aaron know
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- danbri: quick aob
- 16:00:28 [danbri]
- Interest Group meeting at Tech Plenary http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2004Jan/0188.html
- 16:00:31 [danbri]
- thoughts on agenda solicited
- 16:00:40 [bwm_scribe]
- ... I sent draft agenda for ig meeting at tech plenary. please comment.
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- AJOURNED
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- danbri: I've updated the namespace docs, need to test hte char encoding is right
- 16:01:16 [bwm_scribe]
- mimetype has changed
- 16:03:25 [danbri]
- GRDL example: http://www.w3.org/2003/12/rdf-in-xhtml-xslts/complete-example.html
- 16:05:55 [Zakim]
- -DaveB
- 16:05:57 [Zakim]
- -bwm
- 16:05:59 [Zakim]
- -EMiller
- 16:06:00 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Dean
- 16:06:06 [Zakim]
- -FrankM
- 16:06:09 [Zakim]
- -DanBri
- 16:06:15 [Zakim]
- -GrahamKlyne
- 16:06:16 [Zakim]
- SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended
- 16:06:17 [Zakim]
- Attendees were FrankM, FrankM, DanBri, Janet, bwm, EMiller, DaveB, GrahamKlyne, Mike_Dean
- 16:06:31 [danbri]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 16:06:31 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T16-06-31
- 16:06:55 [danbri]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- I see 8 open action items:
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- ACTION: danbri - review schema [1]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-16
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: daveb review syntax [2]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-31
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: daveb review test cases [3]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-40
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: frank primer [4]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-44
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: gk concepts [5]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-48-09
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: em review model theory [6]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-48-28
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: em use judgement to update IANA reference appropriately [7]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-55-49
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: please let aaron know [8]
- 16:06:55 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T16-00-04
- 16:07:04 [bwm_scribe]
- hmmm, can someone chacl the log please, if not already done