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14:59:38 <danbri> what do you folks see at: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns
14:59:46 <danbri> old stuff, or new (incl Ontology tag etc)?
15:00:06 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has now started
15:00:13 <Zakim> +FrankM
15:00:16 <Zakim> -FrankM
15:00:17 <Zakim> +FrankM
15:00:18 <Zakim> +DanBri
15:00:51 <Zakim> +??P20
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15:01:01 <janet> zakim, please call janet-617
15:01:01 <Zakim> ok, janet; the call is being made
15:01:03 <bwm> Zakim, ??p20 is bwm
15:01:03 <Zakim> +Janet
15:01:04 <Zakim> +bwm; got it
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15:01:34 <danbri> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0095.html
15:01:36 <Zakim> +??P21
15:01:43 <DaveB> Zakim,??P21 is DaveB
15:01:43 <Zakim> +DaveB; got it
15:02:01 <danbri> zakim, who is on the call?
15:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankM, DanBri, bwm, Janet, EMiller, DaveB
15:02:39 <danbri> gk, are you dialing in?
15:03:20 <Zakim> +GrahamKlyne
15:03:21 <bwm> http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns contains an ontology section
15:03:22 <danbri> zakim, pick a scribe?
15:03:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, danbri.
15:03:26 <danbri> zakim, pick a victim
15:03:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanBri
15:03:30 <danbri> zakim, pick a victim
15:03:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bwm
15:04:15 <bwm_scribe> regrets from danc, pat, janG, jjc
15:04:20 <bwm_scribe> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankM, DanBri, bwm, Janet, EMiller, DaveB, GrahamKlyne
15:04:29 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:04:52 <danbri> Janet on testamonials: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0089.html
15:04:58 <danbri> 4: Testimonial Orientation
15:04:58 <danbri> Guest: Janet Daly
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15:05:10 <bwm_scribe> Janet: congrats on having docs ready
15:05:38 <bwm_scribe> ... preparing for a big announcement about rdfcore and webont drafts
15:05:51 <bwm_scribe> ... plans
15:06:00 <DaveB> janet knows this is logged, yeah?
15:06:34 <bwm_scribe> ... hoping on Feb 10 that rdfcore and webont drafts will be published as recs (modulo directors decision)
15:07:05 <bwm_scribe> ... plan to have a joint announcement under banner of semantic web milestone
15:08:05 <bwm_scribe> ... thought it best to have a single big announcement showing how pratical applications are already kicking in
15:08:17 <bwm_scribe> ... testimonials are important
15:08:32 <bwm_scribe> ... testimonials are accepted through ... missed the date
15:08:54 <bwm_scribe> ... focusing on specific current or specific planned uses of the semweb specs
15:09:21 <bwm_scribe> ... good to give precise and concrete examples of how these specs are being used
15:09:34 <danbri> q+ to ask re single quote on RDF vs one on RDF, one on OWL?
15:09:50 <bwm_scribe> ... want to dispose of the myth that this is all theoretical
15:10:10 <bwm_scribe> q+ to ask janet about closing date for testimonials
15:10:52 <bwm_scribe> ... the goal is to have people thinks its real and exciting and they want to learn more
15:10:58 <danbri> ack me
15:10:58 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask re single quote on RDF vs one on RDF, one on OWL?
15:11:20 <bwm_scribe> danbri: do you want single quote on RDF and a single on Owl or a joint quote
15:11:36 <bwm_scribe> Janet: there will be two separate testimonial sheets
15:11:45 <bwm_scribe> .. can run joint testimonials on both sheets
15:11:55 <bwm_scribe> ... or have separate testimonials
15:12:01 <bwm_scribe> ... don't make things up
15:12:31 <danbri> ack bwm_scribe
15:12:31 <Zakim> bwm_scribe, you wanted to ask janet about closing date for testimonials
15:12:39 <bwm_scribe> ack bwm_scribe
15:12:44 <danbri> janet: end of business (whever you are) 6 feb
15:12:49 <bwm_scribe> janet: end date is 06 Feb 2004
15:12:51 <danbri> ...see mail msg 4: Testimonial Orientation
15:12:51 <danbri> Guest: Janet Daly
15:12:55 <danbri> oops bad paste
15:12:57 <bwm_scribe> that is end date for testimonials
15:13:02 <DaveB> see janet's mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0089.html
15:13:53 <bwm_scribe> janet: folks might want to allow time for w3c review of the testimonial and time to ammend it
15:14:00 <bwm_scribe> ... allow one days turnaround
15:14:22 <bwm_scribe> ... send to two addresses i.e. comms team and eric miller
15:14:39 <bwm_scribe> ... comms team distributed around the globe
15:16:38 <bwm_scribe> frank: has this request for testimonials gone to the AC?  There are orgs, e.g. Sun that are not on the WG but are users of RDF.
15:16:43 <ericm> q+
15:16:51 <bwm_scribe> Janet: no specific request to membership but likely will today
15:17:03 <bwm_scribe> Frank: can we have pointers to examples
15:17:04 <janet> http://www.w3.org/Press/
15:17:14 <ericm> Frank, http://www.w3.org/2004/01/ccpp-testimonial
15:17:22 <bwm_scribe> Janet: start here - you'll find some
15:17:41 <danbri> q?
15:17:48 <danbri> ack ericm
15:17:49 <bwm_scribe> Danbri: we've looked at the cc/pp example
15:17:54 <DaveB> q+
15:18:32 <danbri>  brian, was "5: Press Release Input and Request for Reviewers" on agenda covered? (wasn't sure your intent re 'Reviewers')
15:18:34 <bwm_scribe> em: whilst we haven't asked the ac yet, em has been approaching folks for testimonials
15:18:58 <bwm_scribe> danbri: ask eric - I just copied his request
15:19:27 <bwm_scribe> em: I'm pretty excited about the support we are getting ...
15:19:49 <bwm_scribe> danbri: eric and janet - do you want reviwers
15:20:07 <bwm_scribe> janet: sometimes orgs want to see press release before submitting testimonial
15:20:40 <bwm_scribe> ... we hope to have a draft press release this afternoon
15:21:07 <bwm_scribe> ... some orgs want to make press releases of their own to accompany w3c announcement
15:21:12 <bwm_scribe> ... w3c welcomes that
15:21:29 <bwm_scribe> ... w3c would like to see the text no later than 24 hours before announcement
15:21:37 <bwm_scribe> ... to check for accurate representation ofw3c
15:22:04 <bwm_scribe> ... 2nd thing is that any companion release is at least 15 mins after schedule w3c release
15:22:11 <bwm_scribe> q+
15:22:24 <danbri> ack DaveB
15:23:05 <bwm_scribe> daveb: time of release is Tues 10 Feb 10am Eastern 
15:23:45 <bwm_scribe> daveb: my name is associated with RDF.  should I have a director sign testimonial
15:24:19 <bwm_scribe> janet: there are no restrictions on name, but suggest choose someone who would recognised in the trade press
15:24:38 <bwm_scribe> note: it was janet who gave timing of release
15:24:43 <janet> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0089.html
15:26:31 <bwm_scribe> janet: press folks have to turn a story round in three hours - to them titles are important
15:27:11 <bwm_scribe> daveb: can the person to be rung up be different to the person who provides testimonial
15:27:19 <bwm_scribe> janet: take offline
15:27:31 <danbri> ack bwm_scribe
15:28:39 <bwm_scribe> bwm: should accompanying press release wait till 15 minutes after scheluded or actual w3c release
15:29:11 <bwm_scribe> janet: docs must go first
15:29:40 <bwm_scribe> janet: if there is a problem with docs then w3c release will be delayed
15:30:16 <bwm_scribe> janet: we might call you and say don't send it
15:31:18 <danbri> brian: so we'll go ahead unless we hear from you?
15:31:22 <danbri> janet: yes
15:31:28 <danbri> ...phone numbers needed
15:31:59 <bwm_scribe> janet: hp should plan to release on schedule and w3c will call if there is a problem requiring delay
15:32:11 <DaveB> thanks janet
15:32:23 <bwm_scribe> if you have any questions send to w3tpr list with cc to eric
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15:32:58 <bwm_scribe> janet has been dreaming of semweb super tuesday for a while, and its great to finally have it
15:33:00 <danbri> 6: Next telecon 13 Feb 2004 1000 Boston Time
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15:33:19 <DaveB> 13feb is a saturday
15:33:40 <bwm_scribe> em: brian please take a look at press release
15:33:41 <janet> no, it's friday the 13th!
15:33:43 <bwm_scribe> bwm: ok
15:33:53 <DaveB> gah, me and dates, me--
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15:34:10 <bwm_scribe> next meeting: 13 Feb?
15:34:21 <bwm_scribe> em suggests 6th rather than 13th
15:35:24 <bwm_scribe> next meeting is 6th, if we need it.
15:35:34 <danbri> 7: Rec Docs sanity check
15:35:35 <bwm_scribe> rec docs sanity check
15:35:52 <bwm_scribe> to move to rec, there is editorial work to do:
15:36:01 <bwm_scribe> em: key points ...
15:36:22 <ericm> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/
15:36:24 <bwm_scribe> ... using primer as example
15:37:17 <danbri> em: changes will be made by w3c team
15:37:22 <bwm_scribe> ... want editors to check the changes
15:37:23 <danbri> ...i've been making changes in prep for rec
15:37:41 <bwm_scribe> ... draw ed's attention to a few main points ...
15:38:04 <bwm_scribe> ... style sheets, copyright, links to errata and translations
15:38:16 <bwm_scribe> ... want a check on status of the docs sections
15:38:35 <bwm_scribe> ... check references are correct
15:38:53 <DaveB> is "Proposed Recommendation Working Draft" the right phrase in the status?  s/Working Draft// ?
15:38:58 <bwm_scribe> ... there will be a single status section for all docs
15:39:37 <bwm_scribe> ... also note big yellow box whcih is a standard disclaimer
15:39:58 <bwm_scribe> frank: we should check whether these have the staging URI's are references
15:40:05 <bwm_scribe> em: staging ...
15:40:17 <gk> q+ to ask if editors can be notified when w3c team has made changes
15:40:38 <bwm_scribe> frank: did you see my email yesterday about some of these
15:41:13 <DaveB> frank's mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0100.html
15:41:15 <danbri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2004Jan/0100.html
15:41:38 <bwm_scribe> em: are you willing to pair with me on chekcing the status of the doc?
15:42:06 <bwm_scribe> frank: do I need to do anything?
15:42:35 <bwm_scribe> em: danbri and em to follow up with Frank
15:42:51 <bwm_scribe> em: editors - please do not make any further changes to these documents
15:43:17 <bwm_scribe> frank: thats fine - please note the comments that I made
15:44:14 <bwm_scribe> danbri: I have a schema issue
15:44:37 <bwm_scribe> danbri: I've updated the doc at the schema namespace URI which requires a change to the schema doc
15:44:51 <bwm_scribe> em: liase with me.  em has write lock on the documents
15:45:06 <gk> q+ eric's page of diffs ... URI?
15:45:17 <gk> q+ to ask about eric's page of diffs ... URI?
15:45:45 <bwm_scribe> em: don't check till the big yellow box is there
15:45:51 <danbri> q?
15:45:53 <bwm_scribe> q+
15:45:53 <danbri> ack gk
15:45:54 <Zakim> gk, you wanted to ask if editors can be notified when w3c team has made changes and to ask about eric's page of diffs ... URI?
15:46:15 <bwm_scribe> gk: em - jjc is unavailable so I assume I'm doing this
15:46:26 <bwm_scribe> ... em: what is the uri of the page of diffs?
15:46:38 <danbri> ack bwm_scribe
15:47:04 <bwm_scribe> em: will need to follow up on that ...
15:47:07 <DaveB> I just visuall checked CVS 1.56 of rdf syntax, the diffs look ok.  refs look ok
15:47:16 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: danbri - review schema
15:47:31 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: daveb review syntax
15:47:40 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: daveb review test cases
15:47:44 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: frank primer
15:48:09 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: gk concepts
15:48:28 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: em review model theory
15:48:33 <bwm_scribe> danbri: what about lbase
15:48:42 <bwm_scribe> danbri: we have not rev'd it
15:48:44 <bwm_scribe> em: yes
15:48:58 <bwm_scribe> 8. mime-type registration
15:49:53 <bwm_scribe> frank: mime-type reference will expire a month after we publish
15:50:09 <bwm_scribe> daveb: syntax does not refer to url of mime-types doc
15:50:19 <bwm_scribe> ... refers to the page where you can find it
15:50:40 <bwm_scribe> gk: the internet draft references will become obsolete
15:50:48 <bwm_scribe> gk: dave's suggestion is a good one
15:51:13 <bwm_scribe> danbri: propose update mimetype reference to ...
15:52:06 <ericm> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-syntax-grammar-20030117/
15:52:08 <bwm_scribe> gk: is the rdf reference on the iana web page yet?
15:52:08 <DaveB> syntax ref is to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-syntax-grammar-20030117/#ref-iana-media-types
15:53:47 <DaveB> "Registration Note (Informative): For the state of the MIME type registration, consult IANA MIME Media Types[[IANA-MEDIA-TYPES] "
15:54:44 <bwm_scribe> bwm: hard to find the reference
15:55:02 <bwm_scribe> danbri: em please take this offline
15:55:14 <bwm_scribe> daveb: do I have to do anything?
15:55:24 <bwm_scribe> em: no - I have the monkey, though I may consult with DAve
15:55:49 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: em use judgement to update IANA reference appropriately
15:56:16 <danbri> 9: TAG Architecture Doc review
15:56:24 <danbri> bwm: we agreed as a group to review TAG arch doc
15:56:35 <danbri> both gk and jang agreed to do this. we have gk's.
15:57:06 <danbri> ...idea here was to see if there was discussion on gk's points. 
15:57:08 <bwm_scribe> gk: too soon to do anything detailed with these
15:57:24 <bwm_scribe> gk: when we talked about the mimetype registration ...
15:57:39 <bwm_scribe> gk: do we want to press ahead as soon as posible or wait till docs get to REC?
15:57:50 <bwm_scribe> gk: recommend pushing ahead
15:58:35 <bwm_scribe> bwm: I thought we'd decided to press ahead, is anyone proposing to change this
15:58:56 <bwm_scribe> gk: aaron is holding off because he assumed we would wait for rec
15:59:23 <bwm_scribe> danbri: rec is so soon - lets do that
15:59:39 <bwm_scribe> gk: I hadn't realised rec was so soon, so I agree
15:59:52 <bwm_scribe> RESOLVED: wait for rec
15:59:52 <danbri> resolved: to wait for rec
16:00:04 <bwm_scribe> ACTION: please let aaron know
16:00:12 <bwm_scribe> danbri: quick aob
16:00:28 <danbri> Interest Group meeting at Tech Plenary http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2004Jan/0188.html
16:00:31 <danbri> thoughts on agenda solicited
16:00:40 <bwm_scribe> ... I sent draft agenda for ig meeting at tech plenary.  please comment.
16:00:54 <bwm_scribe> AJOURNED
16:01:11 <bwm_scribe> danbri: I've updated the namespace docs, need to test hte char encoding is right
16:01:16 <bwm_scribe> mimetype has changed
16:03:25 <danbri> GRDL example: http://www.w3.org/2003/12/rdf-in-xhtml-xslts/complete-example.html
16:05:55 <Zakim> -DaveB
16:05:57 <Zakim> -bwm
16:05:59 <Zakim> -EMiller
16:06:00 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:06:06 <Zakim> -FrankM
16:06:09 <Zakim> -DanBri
16:06:15 <Zakim> -GrahamKlyne
16:06:16 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended
16:06:17 <Zakim> Attendees were FrankM, FrankM, DanBri, Janet, bwm, EMiller, DaveB, GrahamKlyne, Mike_Dean
16:06:31 <danbri> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:06:31 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T16-06-31
16:06:55 <danbri> RRSAgent, bye
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items:
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danbri - review schema [1]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-16
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daveb review syntax [2]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-31
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daveb review test cases [3]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-40
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: frank primer [4]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-47-44
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gk concepts [5]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-48-09
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: em review model theory [6]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-48-28
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: em use judgement to update IANA reference appropriately [7]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T15-55-49
16:06:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: please let aaron know [8]
16:06:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/30-rdfcore-irc#T16-00-04
16:07:04 <bwm_scribe> hmmm, can someone chacl the log please, if not already done