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16:04:18 <stefanom> won't be able to join on the phone, sorry
16:04:24 <marbut> Agenda
16:04:24 <marbut> 1. Round table update from Pis
16:04:24 <marbut> 2. Logistics for arrival of new hires
16:04:24 <marbut> 3. Review project task list - see below
16:04:24 <marbut> 1. ARTSTOR AND OCW DATASETS
16:04:26 <marbut> Progress update from Mark:
16:04:27 <marbut> - Now possible transform OCW data just with XSLT, no need to use Perl. The
16:04:29 <marbut> transform does not do everything the Perl transform did, but this avoids all
16:04:31 <marbut> the team installing Perl on their machines.
16:04:35 <marbut> - Artstor topic, geographic and subject fields are now organized
16:04:37 <marbut> hierarchically where appropriate.
16:04:39 <marbut> - New ANT automatic build script in CVS allows all team members to rebuild
16:04:41 <marbut> datasets, avoids need to upload entire datasets to CVS, team members just
16:04:43 <marbut> need to retrieve updated XSLT scripts from CVS.
16:04:45 <marbut> - Added type information to OCW dataset.
16:04:47 <marbut> To do:
16:04:49 <marbut> - Adopt a common way of displaying names in Artstor and OCW.
16:04:51 <marbut> - Need to change the way typing is done in OCW so it is more compatible with
16:04:53 <marbut> the existing LOM schemas.
16:04:55 <marbut> 2. HAYSTACK / SIMILE
16:04:57 <marbut> Progress update from Steve
16:04:59 <marbut> Progress update from Andy on Joseki / Haystack integration
16:05:01 <marbut> To do:
16:05:05 <marbut> - Need to update simile.ad file so Haystack can display revised OCW dataset.
16:05:07 <marbut> - Now hierarchical information has been added to datasets, Haystack needs to
16:05:09 <marbut> process this in faceted browser.
16:05:11 <marbut> 3. CUSTOM BROWSER
16:05:13 <marbut> Progress update from Mark:
16:05:15 <marbut> - Can now display both Artstor and OCW data
16:05:17 <marbut> - Can display hierarchical facets e.g. geographic, subject and topic
16:05:19 <marbut> - Uploaded to CVS, Rob has been able to retrieve and run on both Linux and
16:05:21 <marbut> Windows.
16:05:23 <marbut> To do:
16:05:25 <marbut> - Write interface so it is possible to switch between using Lucene for
16:05:27 <marbut> queries and RDQL.
16:05:29 <marbut> - Add text search boxes to facets when it is not possible to display all
16:05:33 <marbut> facet values.
16:05:35 <marbut> - Add paging to facets when it is not possible to display all facet values.
16:05:37 <marbut> - Fix Ant / XSLT / MTXSLT / Saxon 7 / ENTITY / DOCTYPE bug.
16:05:39 <marbut> - Need to fix Ant build script so tasks that call XSLT, unzip or Jena
16:05:41 <marbut> Schemagen only rebuild when necessary.
16:05:43 <marbut> - Add Jena persistant model support.
16:05:45 <marbut> - Demonstrate inferencing between the two datasets.
16:05:47 <marbut> - Display facet frequency.
16:05:49 <marbut> - Allow both alphabetic sorting of facets and sorti
16:05:51 <marbut> roll call: andy, steve, rob, mick on the phone
16:05:53 <marbut> mackenzie joins
16:05:56 <marbut> stefano on irc
16:05:57 <marbut> eric sends his regrets
16:06:18 <Rob> Hires update
16:06:47 <Rob> Ryan Lee offer out, likely to start early next week (not definite)
16:07:16 <stefanom> I'm arriving in boston on Saturday night
16:07:29 <stefanom> will start operational on monday
16:07:41 <Rob> Good progress on SIMILE funding from review
16:08:40 <Rob> Mick in Cambridge 28-30 Jan
16:08:52 <stefanom> what happened to the hackaton?
16:09:25 <Rob> demo critical milestone
16:09:42 <marbut> (david karger joins)
16:09:55 <marbut> (Stefano, we'll address you question in the next agenda item)
16:10:29 <stefanom> ok
16:10:31 <Rob> next milestone to achieve demo with scale
16:10:57 <stefanom> sorry for not being able to call in
16:12:05 <Rob> decided to stick with OCW & ARTstor despite lack of public accessibility
16:12:26 <stefanom> +1
16:12:38 <Rob> OK for hires to start at CRL; office, access OK, will need kit (PC etc)
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16:13:17 <marbut_> Mackenzie has the thumbnails for artstor
16:13:29 <marbut_> Mackenzie: But they will not let us make it publically available
16:13:48 <marbut_> SteveGarland: Isn't there no copyright on thumbnails?
16:14:03 <marbut_> Mackenzie: The Mellon Foundation, don't have that position, we are not the copyright owners in this case
16:14:16 <marbut_> I've written a letter to say we will not make them publically available
16:14:34 <marbut_> so I'm looking for an alternative corpus we can use later without such restrictions
16:15:15 <marbut_> David: It's been a slow week, alround, I'm working us through the list of haystack items
16:15:24 <marbut_> that we put together last week
16:15:45 <mickBass> logistics for new hires:
16:15:58 <mickBass> Offices and passes no prob for Stefano and Ryan (for Monday)
16:16:11 <mickBass> Kit (PC) is maybe issue
16:16:39 <stefanom> no prob for me, my laptop is with me and I don't need anything else
16:16:59 <stefanom> maybe I'll need a windows machine later on, but I can go virtualPC for now
16:17:41 <marbut_> mickBass: there are threads on three clients going: based on Haystack, Haystack-web, and the custom client
16:17:43 <Rob> 3 clients.. Haystack rich/Web and Mark B's Web client
16:18:09 <marbut_> (oops, sorry rob)
16:18:43 <Rob> need to review each client and associated issue lists with core tech team
16:20:17 <Rob> when each is at the stage they can view the dataset
16:21:05 <Rob> next thursday PI call time, can walk through each client and issue list with tech team (many in Cambridge, some remote via netmeeting)
16:21:24 <stefanom> good for me
16:22:31 <Rob> Steve G and Rob to sort out logistics for that (PCs etc)
16:22:50 <Rob> ACTION:  Steve G and Rob to sort out logistics for that (PCs etc) 
16:23:30 <Rob> dataset: Mark has enabled all SIMILE people to build dataset from CVS (with Java + Ant installed)
16:24:12 <Rob> can build locally and XSLTs can be updated to fix probs in the RDF serialisations etc
16:24:35 <Rob> (This is IPSSources CVS, not Haystack CVS)
16:25:49 <Rob> Have an ant target that recognises if HAYSTACK_HOME is set, and can then copy data to Haystack, so we can keep separate CVS
16:26:36 <Rob> ACTION: Mark to chase up IPSSources to get David K IPSSources access
16:27:36 <stefanom> Nice job mark!
16:29:11 <Rob> Transforms updated to use subclass relationships for hierarchical controlled vocabs (e.g. China, province)
16:30:05 <Rob> Type info added to OCW.  Looking into getting Haystack to display that.
16:30:24 <Rob> (Low-level type info, e.g. date, number etc. was previously missing)
16:30:49 <Rob> Now have common stylesheet to canonicalise names in Artstor + OCW
16:31:15 <Rob> Need to keep OCW in line with LOM schemas, however
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16:31:42 <mickBass> mick is back after proxy-server difficulty..
16:33:14 <Rob> where to put artstor thumbnails?
16:33:52 <Rob> Need to think about long-term infrastructure needs... worry about that after demo
16:34:22 <Rob> Haystack/SIMILE progress update
16:34:53 <Rob> Haystack Web browser client: Good progress, should have something usable by next week
16:36:10 <Rob> ACTION: Steve to leave a Haystack running, so people can try out it remotely
16:38:08 <Rob> Haystack/Joseki progress update: seems to work OK.  Fine-grained queries rather than a big GET, so won't work for large data sets
16:38:37 <Rob> potential for cache on Haystack side
16:39:42 <Rob> Need to fix simile.ad file in Haystack, updating OCW data uncovered problems
16:40:01 <Rob> ACTION: Need to fix simile.ad file in Haystack, updating OCW data uncovered problems
16:40:22 <Rob> ACTION: Need to find out if/how Haystack deals with sub-classing information
16:41:11 <Rob> Probably don't need Haystack/Joseki integration for demo
16:43:19 <Rob> Progress on thin Web client.  Now can display OCW + ARTstor simultaneously, as well as hierarchical facets.  In CVS, has been run on Linux + Windows, some problems to fix
16:43:32 <Rob> (problems related to instal//build)
16:44:58 <Rob> Issues:  Need to add interface can use Lucene or RDQL; searchable/paging of facet values (900+ even in small dataset); ant/XSLT probs; support for Jena persistent models; demonstrate inferencing
16:45:14 <Rob> also UI issues, sorting facets by alpha/frequency etc.
16:46:06 <Rob> CVS Access progress update: Cleaned up a bit
16:46:28 <Rob> Invitations re-issued to those who never logged in
16:46:44 <Rob> ACTION: Invitations must be acted on within 7 days
16:47:37 <Rob> Identifying corpus subset:  Kevin has done some work.  uses 'visulaising cultures course': USCDAA segment
16:48:36 <Rob> Need user testing for Haystack + custom browser
16:48:45 <Rob> Eric's suggestion of brownsauce+ RDFNavigator
16:53:48 <Rob> simile.mit.edu: need a machine for infrastructure (issue lists, wiki etc.)... but simile.mit.edu is heavyweight for that, can probably find a lighter-weight machine for that.  simile.mit.edu could be used for demo's where heavy-weight processing required
16:54:09 <Rob> could run Haystack Web client on it, but tricky since you need the Haystack UI up and running, so might not work
16:54:48 <stefanom> I would like that machine to be linux/freebsd, would make it much easier to administer for me
16:54:50 <Rob> Send someone to Cannes W3C tech plenary with SIMILE demo?
16:55:17 <Rob> Steve volunteers :)
16:55:31 <Rob> (plenary in March)  Andy going anyway
16:55:53 <Rob> will likely demo in first 1 or 2 days, need to get slot soon
16:58:20 <Rob> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:58:20 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-58-20
16:59:06 <Rob> RRSAgent, bye
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items:
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steve G and Rob to sort out logistics for that (PCs etc)  [1]
16:59:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-22-50
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to chase up IPSSources to get David K IPSSources access [2]
16:59:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-26-36
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steve to leave a Haystack running, so people can try out it remotely [3]
16:59:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-36-10
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Need to fix simile.ad file in Haystack, updating OCW data uncovered problems [4]
16:59:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-40-01
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Need to find out if/how Haystack deals with sub-classing information [5]
16:59:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-40-22
16:59:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Invitations must be acted on within 7 days [6]
16:59:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/22-simile-irc#T16-46-44