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15:00:18 <Zakim> +DanC
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15:01:20 <DanC> Zakim, this is RDF
15:01:20 <Zakim> ok, DanC
15:01:27 <Zakim> +??P18
15:01:37 <Zakim> +FrankM
15:01:40 <Zakim> -??P18
15:01:41 <Zakim> +??P18
15:01:53 <Zakim> +DanC
15:01:57 <Zakim> +DanBri
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15:02:39 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:02:54 <Zakim> +DanC
15:03:25 <Zakim> -DanBri
15:03:59 <DaveB> agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Dec/0006.html
15:04:25 <ericm> zakim, dial emiller-bos
15:04:26 <Zakim> ok, ericm; the call is being made
15:04:26 <Zakim> +Emiller
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15:04:51 <jjc> Zakim,who's on the call?
15:05:01 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P18, FrankM, DanC, ??P21, Mike_Dean, Emiller
15:05:02 <Zakim> +??P20
15:05:12 <DaveB-scr> Zakim, ??P20 is danbri
15:05:12 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
15:05:13 <bwm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Dec/0006.html
15:05:21 <jjc> Zakim, ??P21 is jjc
15:05:21 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
15:05:39 <jjc> Zakim, ??P18 is ilrt
15:05:39 <Zakim> +ilrt; got it
15:05:45 <DaveB-scr> 1. Admin
15:05:46 <DaveB-scr>    - scribe
15:05:46 <DaveB-scr>    - roll call
15:05:46 <DaveB-scr>    - approve minutes of the previous meeting
15:05:46 <DaveB-scr>      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Nov/0063.html
15:05:50 <DaveB-scr> 2. Update from team on PR
15:05:55 <DaveB-scr> 3. mime-type registration
15:05:59 <DaveB-scr> 4. Postponed issues: advice to the CG on what to do about them.
15:06:02 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:06:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see ilrt, FrankM, DanC, jjc, Mike_Dean, Emiller, danbri
15:06:05 <DaveB-scr> Received on
15:06:08 <DaveB-scr> roll call
15:06:13 <DaveB-scr> Zakim, ilrt has bwm, jang, daveb
15:06:13 <Zakim> +bwm, jang, daveb; got it
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15:06:38 <bwm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Nov/0063.html
15:07:09 <DaveB-scr> DanC: minutes comment
15:07:18 <bwm> Zakim, mute danbri
15:07:18 <Zakim> danbri should now be muted
15:07:21 <ericm> zakim, mute danbri
15:07:21 <Zakim> danbri was already muted, ericm
15:07:22 <jjc> Zakim, who's talking
15:07:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', jjc
15:07:29 <jjc> Zakim, who's speaking
15:07:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's speaking', jjc
15:07:32 <jjc> Zakim, who's speaking?
15:07:43 <Zakim> jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ilrt (15%), FrankM (39%)
15:07:48 <DanC> on minutes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Nov/0065.html
15:08:25 <DaveB-scr> amendments are the last mod dates and size sin 0065
15:08:31 <DaveB-scr> of th docs to publish
15:08:53 <Zakim> +GrahamKlyne
15:08:55 <Zakim> -GrahamKlyne
15:09:19 <Zakim> +GrahamKlyne
15:09:45 <DaveB-scr> jang: dated zip files are made for each tetst cases doc
15:09:55 <DaveB-scr> bwm: happy with amendment 0065?
15:10:02 <DaveB-scr> seconded; danc
15:10:04 <DaveB-scr> against: not
15:10:08 <DaveB-scr> ... none
15:10:12 <DaveB-scr> minutes of 2003-11-07 approved
15:10:23 <Zakim> -danbri
15:10:34 <DaveB-scr> item 2 - discuss PR request status with the team
15:11:18 <DaveB-scr> ilrt += danbri
15:11:51 <DaveB-scr> congrats were given to having lots of detailed test cases
15:13:42 <DaveB-scr> summary or rdf core test results http://www.w3.org/2003/11/results/rdf-core-tests
15:15:17 <DaveB-scr> frankm points to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/Overview.html
15:15:18 <DaveB-scr> dec 5
15:16:04 <DaveB-scr> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:03:21 GMT
15:16:08 <DaveB-scr> Content-Length: 425004
15:16:41 <DaveB-scr> md5sum 4ec3fa06098da0e9821cc96beea77328
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15:19:32 <danbri_dna> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:19:32 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2003/12/05-rdfcore-irc#T15-19-32
15:23:13 <DanC> primer... http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/Overview.html
15:23:24 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
15:26:19 <danbri_dna> q+ to report RDFS modifications outstanding (but agreed in WG prior to PR req decision), option (I expect likely won't) to make minor wording tweaks per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003OctDec/0124.html plus change range of rdf:predicate to be rdfs:Resource per WG decision.
15:27:08 <DanC> I get: cvs update: nothing known about WD-rdf-primer-200301117
15:28:08 <ericm> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/
15:28:22 <DanC> ~/w3ccvs/WWW/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR$
15:28:45 <DaveB-scr> then redirected to a file, local diffed
15:28:50 <bwm> www/cvs.w3.org/WWW/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117
15:30:13 <DanC> $ cvs diff -bwu -r1.22 -r1.25 Overview.html |less
15:30:42 <DaveB-scr> see http://www.redland.opensource.ac.uk/tmp/rdfcore.txt
15:33:32 <DaveB-scr> cvs co -D'Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:27:20 GMT' -p WWW/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/Overview.html > some file
15:33:53 <DaveB-scr> ---
15:34:21 <DaveB-scr> primer, danC to add:
15:34:40 <bwm> action: brian to review latest changes to primer are ok. 
15:35:29 <danbri_dna> (I just made the rdf:predicate changes above to RDFS.)
15:36:15 <DaveB-scr> syntax - changes outlined 1) german spelling 2) changelog pointers in changelog
15:37:18 <DaveB-scr> daveb has license to make changes above
15:37:24 <DaveB-scr> shema - 
15:37:26 <DaveB-scr> schema
15:37:50 <DaveB-scr> danbri - changes outstanding, some wording fixes (editorial advisory) - not needed to make them
15:38:06 <DaveB-scr> 2nd was to be consistent with range of rdf:predicate consist with semantics - want to make that change
15:38:21 <DaveB-scr> ... think that is ready to go now in the CVS version
15:38:24 <danbri_dna> ----------------------------
15:38:24 <danbri_dna> revision 1.46
15:38:24 <danbri_dna> date: 2003/12/05 15:33:30;  author: danbri;  state: Exp;  lines: +3 -3
15:38:24 <danbri_dna> Range of rdf:predicate is rdfs:Resource, per change agreed by WG in
15:38:24 <danbri_dna> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Nov/0063.html
15:38:25 <danbri_dna> -
15:38:53 <DaveB-scr> danbri: also changed the xml file in the dir - rdfs schema file
15:38:57 <DanC> revision 1.46
15:38:57 <DanC> date: 2003/12/05 15:33:30;  author: danbri;  state: Exp;  lines: +3 -3
15:38:59 <DanC> golden
15:39:05 <DaveB-scr> bwm: ack
15:39:31 <DaveB-scr> semantics
15:39:32 <danbri_dna> I'm going to double-check these over weekend, but I believe RDFS is done.
15:39:55 <DaveB-scr> primer - above
15:39:59 <DaveB-scr> test cases
15:40:14 <DaveB-scr> jang: an explicit marker added for simple entailment, added with auth last time
15:40:20 <DaveB-scr> ... updates to table
15:40:40 <DaveB-scr> daveb: missing ' or "
15:40:44 <DaveB-scr> ... in ntriples
15:41:06 <DanC> 7Nov meeting corresponds to test cvs 1.64
15:41:31 <DanC> 1.68 ok?
15:41:44 <DaveB-scr> bwm: o
15:41:45 <DaveB-scr> k
15:41:52 <DaveB-scr> ok
15:41:57 <DaveB-scr> concepts
15:42:38 <DanC> as of 7Nov wG meeting we were at revision 1.55
15:42:38 <DanC> date: 2003/10/07 14:19:58;
15:43:22 <DanC> "PR changes made." 1.56 2003/11/15 15:02:04
15:43:48 <DanC> "Change prev version link" 1.57 2003/11/15 15:06:05
15:44:25 <DaveB-scr> bwm: good
15:45:47 <DanC> schema: done. syntax: epsilon. test: epsilon. concepts: done primer: done. semantics: pat-state.
15:46:00 <danbri_dna> q+ to ask whether LBase gets republished too
15:46:04 <danbri_dna> q?
15:46:20 <DanC> schema: done. syntax: epsilon. test: epsilon. concepts: done primer: done pending bwm review. semantics: pat-state.
15:46:26 <DaveB-scr> Test case todo: [[
15:46:28 <DaveB-scr> From: Carlos Viegas Dam&sio <cd@di.fct.unl.pt>
15:46:28 <DaveB-scr> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:29:02 +0100
15:46:28 <DaveB-scr> X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/01ba01c39267$e6197260$dc9e17c3@pccd
15:46:33 <DaveB-scr> http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-rdf-testcases-20031010/#datatypeString
15:46:33 <DaveB-scr> fix to:
15:46:33 <DaveB-scr>   datatypeString ::= '"' string '"' '^^' uriref
15:46:33 <DaveB-scr> ]]
15:47:33 <DaveB-scr> <           <td><a href="#string">string</a> '^^' <a
15:47:33 <DaveB-scr> ---
15:47:33 <DaveB-scr> >           <td>'"' <a href="#string">string</a> '"' '^^' <a
15:47:49 <DaveB-scr> jcarroll: most of changes were the changelog
15:48:14 <DaveB-scr> 3 mime type
15:48:21 <DaveB-scr> gk: registriation is in a fine state
15:48:27 <DaveB-scr> just a condition of timing
15:48:50 <DaveB-scr> ... sufficiently stable to point at, reasonable to request reg publication
15:49:05 <DaveB-scr> but seen a doc says we should wait to REC
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15:49:34 <dajobe_> gk...but wouldn't favour that
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15:49:58 <DanC> ack danc
15:49:58 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to think out loud
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15:50:18 <dajobe_> danc: current state, cites concepts
15:50:23 <dajobe_> daveb: & syntax
15:50:25 <DanC> no, not current...
15:50:30 <DanC> I'm asking about the terminal state
15:50:41 <dajobe_> gk: mime type reg will cite w3c doc
15:51:06 <dajobe_> current http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-swartz-rdfcore-rdfxml-mediatype-03
15:51:15 <dajobe_> gk: iana reg will cite published RFC
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15:51:20 <dajobe_> that RFC will cite the w3c doc
15:51:25 <dajobe_> danc: & w3c doc will cite rfc?
15:51:29 <dajobe_> gk: not sure
15:52:05 <dajobe_> gk: no formal last call but an IESG approved pub
15:52:31 <dajobe_> gk: currently aiming for informational rfc
15:53:20 <dajobe_> daveb: points to syntax, concepts and model theory
15:53:26 <dajobe_> ... undated tr urls
15:54:48 <dajobe_> gk: suggests to pick up after any PR publication of docs
15:54:53 <dajobe_> general agreement
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15:55:15 <danbri_dna> q?
15:55:16 <dajobe_> AOB bwm: TAG last call on arch doc soon, looking for volunteers
15:55:22 <dajobe_> item 4 postponed issues
15:55:41 <danbri_dna> also AOB+, date of next meeting?
15:57:01 <dajobe_> bwm suggest people looking at postponed issues http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#futures
15:57:05 <dajobe_> and discuss via email
15:57:12 <dajobe_> danbri: short & long term
15:57:19 <DanC> Issues Postponed till a future Version of RDF http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#futures
15:57:21 <dajobe_> donm? & afterwards, how often
15:57:33 <dajobe_> after get to REC that is
15:57:44 <dajobe_> danbri/bwm: unavail next week
15:58:01 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 2 minutes; 2 ports must be freed
15:58:49 <dajobe_> em: no urgency on feedback
15:58:54 <dajobe_> bwm: take to email
15:59:01 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 1 minute; 2 ports must be freed
15:59:05 <dajobe_> bwm: maybe one more meeting, possibly not till next year
15:59:10 <dajobe_> meeting closed
15:59:12 <dajobe_> ---
15:59:13 <danbri_dna> thanks.
15:59:16 <Zakim> -Emiller
15:59:18 <Zakim> -DanC
15:59:21 <Zakim> -jjc
15:59:25 <Zakim> -FrankM
15:59:39 <Zakim> -ilrt
16:00:03 <Zakim> -GrahamKlyne
16:00:04 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended