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16:58:26 <Ralph> Ralph has joined #ietf
16:58:34 <MikeM> ok, how does Zakim know that?
16:58:43 <DanC> caller-id
16:58:54 <MikeM> which is odd since it got my last name wrong....
16:59:11 <DanC> somebody made the binding between your number and your name in a previous telcon
16:59:21 <MikeM> ahhh...
16:59:32 <DanC> you can correct the spelling ala: Zakim, Michael is really _right spelling_
16:59:46 <MikeM> Zakim, Michael is really Michael Mealling
16:59:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Michael is really Michael Mealling', MikeM
16:59:53 <DanC> no spaces
17:00:08 <MikeM> Zakim, Michael is really Michael_Mealling
17:00:08 <Zakim> +Michael_Mealling; got it
17:00:26 <Zakim> +DanC
17:03:19 <tim-lex> Zakim, mute me
17:03:19 <Zakim> sorry, tim-lex, I do not see a party named 'tim-lex'
17:03:27 <timbl> Zakim, mute me
17:03:27 <Zakim> TimBL should now be muted
17:04:55 <timbl> porr no is odd
17:07:32 <timbl> typing w knuckles -- grea sandwich
17:08:16 <Zakim> +Leslie_Daigle
17:09:09 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:09:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ted_Hardy, TimBL (muted), Michael_Mealling, DanC, Leslie_Daigle
17:09:45 <leslie> leslie has joined #ietf
17:09:47 <DanC> I'm expecting Martin Duerst, Michael Sperberg-McQueen
17:09:50 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:09:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ted_Hardy, TimBL (muted), Michael_Mealling, DanC, Leslie_Daigle
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17:10:37 <Zakim> +Amy
17:10:40 <hardie> Howhowdy; just shifted to an outside account.
17:10:42 <Zakim> -Amy
17:11:43 <Zakim> +Michael
17:12:02 <DanC> agenda + review of action
17:12:08 <DanC> agenda + WebDAV/DASL
17:12:18 <DanC> agenda + input to URI CG
17:12:38 <DanC> agenda + IANA registry referencing
17:12:42 <DanC> agenda + next meeting
17:12:47 <Zakim> +??P27
17:13:05 <leslie> Extracted action items from last meeting:
17:13:05 <leslie> [**1] Ted Hardie -- set up an http archive of w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org readable by the subscribers
17:13:05 <leslie> [**2] Ted Hardie -- estimate last call on draft-freed-mime-p4-*.
17:13:05 <leslie> [**3] Ted Hardie -- enquire with IESG members such as Harald about what's expected in a new smil draft, and whether the author has been notified.
17:13:05 <leslie> [**4] Leslie Daigle -- update this forum on next steps [for draft-iab-char-rep]
17:13:07 <leslie> [**5] Michael Mealling -- raise the "uri maintenance team" idea in the W3C URI CG.
17:13:42 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:13:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ted_Hardy, TimBL (muted), Michael_Mealling, DanC, Leslie_Daigle, Michael, MartinD
17:13:44 <timbl> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3c-ietf-coord/2003Oct/0004.html for W3C team
17:13:50 <timbl> is Leslie's message.
17:13:58 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
17:13:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of action" taken up [from DanC]
17:14:47 <timbl> Zakim, unmute me
17:14:47 <Zakim> TimBL should no longer be muted
17:15:09 <timbl> _________________________________
17:15:14 <timbl> Action items
17:15:40 <timbl> Ted's action  hsn't ahppned because apps.ietf.org is in transision. ned free has health leave
17:16:04 <timbl> **2 ongoing
17:16:05 <Zakim> -Ted_Hardy
17:16:28 <timbl> danC:   Can we add MIME typed to the agenda?
17:16:37 <timbl> various: consider it part of AIANA ite,m
17:17:26 <timbl> Leslie: It is not clear to me when the last call ends
17:17:31 <timbl> 2-4 qweeks?
17:18:02 <timbl> draft-freed-mime-p4-*.
17:18:25 <timbl> MikeM: I was not aware of existence of this draft.
17:18:36 <timbl> Michael SMcQ - I was but haven't teda it
17:18:53 <timbl> [ted rejoind conferenced in ny Leslie, from outside due to fire alarm]
17:19:06 <timbl> 2003-10-27 is last call deadline
17:19:19 <timbl> In other words befroe Minneapolis IETF.
17:19:32 <timbl> Whether IESG gets to look at it depnds on Ned Freed'ds progress.
17:19:37 <timbl> ACTION ITME #3
17:19:43 <timbl> ITEM #3
17:20:06 <timbl> Ted: Harald sent email on that which resolved question
17:20:16 <timbl> DanC: PH sent ,ail sayingit was not resolved
17:21:34 <leslie> Ted's office number:  +1 408 423 0307
17:21:42 <timbl> Tim: Issue is SMIL ___?
17:21:48 <DanC> [[
17:21:49 <DanC> From: 	Philipp Hoschka <ph@w3.org>
17:21:49 <DanC> To: 	Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
17:21:49 <DanC> Cc: 	w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org
17:21:49 <DanC> Subject: 	SMIL media type change request (was: Re: minutes 17Jun for review
17:21:49 <DanC> Date: 	Fri, 04 Jul 2003 00:13:30 +0200
17:21:50 <timbl> Martin Mime type registrartion?
17:21:53 <DanC> ]
17:23:00 <DanC> ACTION DanC: get ted's office number to PH
17:23:06 <timbl> ACTION DanC get Ted's phone # to PH
17:23:12 <timbl> ACTION ITEM #4
17:23:34 <timbl> (action #3 is re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3c-ietf-coord/2003Jul/0000.html)
17:23:43 <timbl> Martin: I wanted top talk about this.
17:24:27 <timbl> ... i wanto know whether that doc is on thcritical parth for the new ____
17:24:32 <timbl> IRI draft
17:24:36 <timbl> Leslie: yes, there are IMHO
17:25:10 <timbl> I spoke with Michelle a month ago, and we can agree that there were things that were not undersood in a largercontext [sic - sribe is not following]
17:25:32 <timbl> Martin: Should we just move aheda with teh IRI draft?
17:25:50 <timbl> Leslie; too many directions at once.
17:26:19 <timbl> ...., I realize that IRI can't wait for resource poblems elsewhere.
17:26:31 <timbl> Ted: Internationalizing email -- rqeuest from J Klenson for a BOF.
17:26:48 <DanC> Klensin?
17:26:49 <timbl> Normally Ned would handle the BOF request,but Ned still out of action.
17:27:00 <timbl> We do notknow whether Ned will be in Minniapolis.
17:27:12 <timbl> Some discussions around IRI connected with that would b good.
17:27:25 <timbl> Email folks don't understand issues which will ahpepend with mailto:
17:27:35 <leslie> Dan -- yes, Klensin
17:27:37 <DanC> yes, Klensin. e.g. http://forum.icann.org/cctld/38BD531A00000004.html
17:27:58 <timbl> If both URI and email mke transitions, it would be nice if they could remnain compatible though the mailto: link
17:28:03 <timbl> -ted
17:28:29 <timbl> Might need an update to deal with bi-di - martin
17:28:33 <timbl> (what might?)
17:28:35 <timbl> @@
17:29:50 <timbl> Action ietm #5: 	[**5] Michael Mealling -- raise the "uri maintenance team" idea in the W3C URI CG.
17:30:05 <timbl> continues.  Atleast a link from the web page exists, more effort necessary.
17:30:08 <Zakim> +Ted_Hardy
17:30:15 <timbl> See agenda item 4 - inout to URI CG
17:30:24 <timbl> agenda?
17:30:34 <DanC> Zakim, close item 1
17:30:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:30:35 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:30:36 <Zakim> 2. WebDAV/DASL [from DanC]
17:30:38 <DanC> Zakim, next item
17:30:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WebDAV/DASL" taken up [from DanC]
17:30:59 <timbl> Ted: Question - take DASL forard? This is abscially XML search.
17:31:16 <timbl> Is there work on XML search in W3C?  What sort of coordination needed?
17:31:29 <timbl> MSM: What do you mean by XML search?
17:31:58 <timbl> ted:  DASl was a sepate group for searching and locating fo the metadata in DAV.
17:32:24 <timbl> It was separate. It is constructed in XML namespaces and elements.
17:32:46 <timbl> Tim: So it is equiavalent to the propblem of searching an XML document?
17:33:11 <timbl> ted: Evry resource is part of a collection - how does on scope the search  to collections ro groups of collections.
17:33:23 <timbl> There is the collection structure which is not expressed in XML relationships themselves.
17:33:36 <timbl> M<artin: What about  XML Query?
17:33:45 <timbl> ... we are just in that discussion.
17:34:12 <timbl> XML query is targetted at searching single documents but also collections of them, butmaybe notwith the DAV-like structure.
17:34:44 <timbl> Ted: Would XML-query be the right place to establish the relationship?
17:35:03 <timbl> Martin: The revisiosn of xpatyh happend withing a group XQ and XSLT working closely together.
17:35:12 <MikeM> sure... folks have been popping in and out with regularity
17:35:19 <timbl> Tim: Paul Cotton contact, as chair of XQ?
17:35:43 <timbl> MSM: You might also want to talk to Liam Quin, whowillalso have some knowledge of DAV.
17:36:05 <timbl> TEd: Jim Whitehead is a co-chair.
17:36:16 <timbl> Lias desaut (sp?) arethe chairs.
17:36:22 <leslie> Lisa Dusseault
17:36:49 <timbl> ACTION Ted:  Put cochairs in touch with Liam and Paul.
17:36:58 <hardie> Lisa Dusseault
17:37:11 <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Oct/0005.html
17:37:21 <timbl> DanC: MSM, does the XQ working group consider protocols for XQ iover the wire?  I think Whitehead is lookoing at that.
17:38:00 <timbl> ... in response to ted's message I discussed this with [various] se resulting message [above linked]
17:38:41 <DanC>  "Lisa Dusseault" <lisa@xythos.com> 
17:38:44 <timbl> "Lisa Dusseault" <lisa@xythos.com>
17:38:49 <timbl> snap
17:38:56 <timbl> ______
17:39:06 <DanC> Zakim, close this item
17:39:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
17:39:07 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:39:08 <timbl> Zakim, take up next agenda
17:39:08 <Zakim> 3. input to URI CG [from DanC]
17:39:09 <Zakim> agendum 3. "input to URI CG" taken up [from DanC]
17:39:10 <DanC> Zakmi, next item
17:39:57 <timbl> Ted:   Discussison on the impact of new schemes and their registration on teh existing scehmes and polices of the IETf and W3C.
17:40:16 <timbl> Do these schemes provdie possibly dangerous alternatie registration mechanisms?
17:40:35 <timbl> Should the URI CG be in the loop?
17:41:19 <timbl> Witthe DOI and indo: schemes specifcially, the DOI for example saw itself as an alternative registaryion system, and info: saw itself  as a way of bringingin namespacxes wfor which they were not the authority.
17:41:34 <timbl> These look like attempts by bother groups to bypasss the existing polices.
17:42:14 <timbl> Question: What should the IESG do about such things?
17:42:53 <timbl> DanC: After the march meeting, I wrote a draft about keeping IANA registries on the web. Ned Freed picked it up - any progerss.
17:43:01 <timbl> Leslie: See next agenda item.
17:43:40 <timbl> DanC:   Meanwhile, as michale said, many things are brewing,. the URI CG has not met yet, but I propose that we invite these people and tim to discuss them.
17:44:38 <timbl> DanC: For exmaple, these grouppospose info you cannot look up, which eth TAG considers a bad idea.
17:44:58 <timbl> ted; LArry is working on non-ietf trees.
17:45:17 <timbl> there is a gripe that the process in the ietf tree takes too lonmg.
17:45:41 <timbl> This is disingenuous for doi as they have never put in a regstration.
17:46:03 <timbl> this was dois as a urn.
17:46:21 <timbl> DOI hand handles have ebeen part of the URN scheme going back to 1994.
17:46:36 <timbl> Thereare falgs in the ___ algorithm for accommodating handles.
17:46:48 <DanC> DDDS
17:46:59 <timbl> They are poposing a resolution system which replaces DNS where DNS fits in.
17:47:41 <timbl> They refused to coorperate as a URN scheme becase they wantd to be a full URI scheme.
17:47:52 <timbl> Ted: I could ocme to themeeting - depedns on when and where.
17:48:16 <hardie> the next two months are evil
17:48:25 <timbl> [attempts to discuss calendaring for URI CG meeting]
17:48:55 <timbl> Ted: last 1.5 weeks of this  month are  bad for me
17:49:03 <DanC> it was MM
17:49:27 <timbl> I'll be in chicago  then open for a week before the ietfv meeting
17:49:35 <timbl> IETF is 9-14 november.
17:49:41 <DanC> http://www.ietf.org/meetings/IETF-58.html
17:50:46 <timbl> ACTION DanC  propose a meeting with 7 days notice
17:51:06 <DanC> next week , e.g. Fri, and week before IETF look less bad than others
17:51:09 <DanC> Zakim, close this item
17:51:09 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
17:51:10 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:51:10 <timbl> Zakim, next item
17:51:11 <Zakim> 4. IANA registry referencing [from DanC]
17:51:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "IANA registry referencing" taken up [from DanC]
17:51:29 <DanC> draft-connolly-w3c-accessible-registries
17:51:40 <DanC> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-connolly-w3c-accessible-registries-00.txt
17:51:41 <timbl> Two issues.   IANA registration online.
17:51:50 <MikeM> the draft has expired but has been reposted
17:51:53 <timbl> and SMIL mime types
17:51:56 <timbl> DanC:
17:52:07 <timbl> There is a TAG issue about media types and URIs.
17:52:15 <timbl> The TAG said use URIs for importan things.
17:52:26 <timbl> So, what areth URIs for inetrnet media types?
17:52:41 <timbl> IANA has a web site, but no policy for persistence.
17:52:48 <timbl> Policy would need an internet draft.
17:52:53 <timbl> DanC write draft,
17:53:17 <timbl> Ned took and action to take the issue to the IANA folks.
17:54:00 <timbl> Recently, MicahelM pointed out tht there is a BCP  for using URNs.
17:54:18 <timbl> MM:   Do you wnat to be anble to dereference this, or encode all theattrributes too?
17:54:47 <timbl> Don eastlake's draft encodes everything
17:54:57 <timbl> DanC: refer is essential, formal spec is fragvy.
17:55:01 <timbl> gravy.
17:55:02 <hardie> so the URN with DDDS would be derferencing here?
17:55:12 <timbl> danc: no need for all the attrributes.
17:57:53 <timbl> Tim:  You don't need to encode the attributes, because they are only read when you understand the internet conet type name
17:58:09 <timbl> leslie: the polices may not be consistent with the iana expectations
17:58:40 <timbl> but leavingthat aside, even assuming that is dioable, it is not clear to me what you expect a the end fo the day
17:58:52 <timbl> when you dereference it.
17:59:30 <timbl> If we had a URI scheme which would dereference it ..
17:59:47 <timbl> MM: Why not use DDDS?
17:59:54 <timbl> DAnC: Why is DDS better?
18:00:22 <timbl> MM: you may need to change iana.org to something different.
18:00:39 <timbl> danc: are ou claimingthat ddds provdies persistence?
18:00:50 <timbl> mm: ddds provdies persistence.
18:01:11 <timbl> mm: things like ianat.org change
18:01:55 <timbl> danc: these is adderssed inthe draft
18:02:32 <timbl> mm; If we go danc's way you'd never get new URI schemes.
18:02:55 <timbl> leslie ...   it isnot the ietf's veiew that that is possible
18:02:59 <timbl> danc: are you speeaking for the ietf/
18:03:02 <timbl> ?
18:03:45 <timbl> Leslie: In the particular case of iana.org we concluded that that was a dubious thing?
18:04:16 <timbl> We can do this as an open battle, or we can do it collegially.
18:04:31 <timbl> An individal draft does have to be pushed. - mm
18:05:03 <timbl> Ted; It has to be an IESG member if it is a BCP.
18:05:37 <timbl> Danc: anyone else feelobliged to pick up the action of ned's?
18:05:49 <timbl> leslie: If we did, it would have to be Ted.
18:06:10 <timbl> Leslie: Or you can send it to the RDF editor yourself.
18:06:54 <timbl> Ted; That is a mechanistic thing - but in this case as a proposed BCP it would boiuce back.
18:07:44 <timbl> [discussion omitted]
18:11:35 <timbl> uri.arpa
18:11:46 <timbl> iana.org
18:12:22 <hardie> Note:  the key issue is ip delegation, which is not an IETF function, as opposed to protocol parameters which are.
18:12:32 <timbl> iana.org is also used for ip assignment
18:13:11 <hardie> http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:s0SzRjNwxCUJ:www.ietf.org/proceedings/02nov/slides/plenary-10/plenary-10.ppt+iana+geoff+huston&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 
18:13:25 <hardie> (Geoff Huston's public plenary talk about this)
18:15:52 <DanC> thx for the pointer, hardie
18:16:11 <DanC> ironic that it comes from the google cache, eh?
18:16:35 <timbl> :)
18:16:52 <DanC> oh, I see, google is providing ppt->html service, not persistence, in this case.
18:16:53 <timbl> It coems from eth google cache only as a ppot -> standards translator
18:17:18 <timbl> Martin: Aslso similar iana issue arrises for ____
18:18:42 <hardie> here's the id version, too: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-iana-03.txt
18:21:49 <timbl> [more discussion or iana.org]
18:22:21 <timbl> Leslie:  We have a philosophical difference with you as to whether a domain name should ever be used in an identifier.
18:23:40 <timbl> ________________
18:23:48 <timbl> PArt II of IANA toopic.
18:24:25 <timbl> MSM:
18:24:47 <timbl> I ahve not been aprt of these discisions  so this is just from reports.
18:24:51 <timbl> Zakim, mute me
18:24:51 <Zakim> TimBL should now be muted
18:25:23 <DanC> 404 @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-00.txt sigh
18:25:28 <leslie> tim, does that mean you're off the call?
18:25:38 <timbl> with the goal of making it possible for the mime type + fragod defining document to be defined bythe same org as defines the format.
18:25:49 <DanC> 200 @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-03.txt
18:25:52 <timbl> For exmpale, for postscript it might be an adobe document.
18:26:04 <timbl> For XML it might be a W3C document.
18:26:33 <timbl> There are a numebr of people in W3C who are trying to get recogncition that the element scheme in XPointer should become the recognized fragid syntax in XML.
18:26:52 <timbl> The XML Core WG, the RFC3032 editors and teh w3C TAg and those present ar interested about this.
18:27:05 <timbl> I am hereto learnwere er are and where conflicet may lie.
18:27:11 <timbl> conflict may lie.
18:27:37 <timbl> Martin: You could ask for a comment for the last call of ned's draft.
18:27:47 <timbl> MSM: when deo sthe last call end?
18:27:52 <timbl> Octover 27 - martin d
18:28:11 <timbl> Ted: Does Ned's draft fix this problem?
18:28:15 <leslie> Dan, I don't understand why you are getting a 404.
18:28:23 <DanC> 4.     External Body Access Types
18:28:30 <DanC> 404 for draft version 00.
18:28:32 <timbl> Martin: yes,it allwos for registrations which  register external standards.
18:28:44 <leslie> Ah.
18:28:46 <leslie> Sorry.
18:28:47 <timbl> Ted; That is the first time we have done something liek that.
18:29:00 <MikeM> that wsa MM
18:29:12 <MikeM> ;-)
18:29:23 <timbl> sorry
18:29:28 <MikeM> np
18:29:56 <timbl> MSM: Are we trying to p[ersuaede th RFC 3023 authors to change it or should the document go into the XML spec?
18:30:09 <timbl> Zakim, unmute me
18:30:09 <Zakim> TimBL should no longer be muted
18:30:22 <timbl> The W3C TAG concluded that the two be in eth XML spec.
18:30:36 <timbl> q+
18:30:48 <timbl> What ar eth constraints on XML xcore?
18:32:19 <timbl> Tim: It is broken for part fo a spec to be in 1 doc and part in another  when they ar erevieds difefrently and in different ors.
18:33:20 <timbl> DanC: Example is multiple root elemenst - allowed by mime type but not by xml spec
18:33:52 <timbl> mm: Does the document address the issuesof how the ietf would be able to review a W3C spec?
18:34:06 <timbl> martin d: There are some assumptions about how this is done.
18:34:35 <timbl> you have to send it to the types-review list ... they they should be explicit .
18:34:46 <timbl> Clealry the document ahs to be publically avauilable.
18:35:32 <timbl> md: When I talked with Frad in SFO we had some discsuiionsabout what  stages in w3c process we should require people to do what.
18:35:43 <DanC> hmm... 3.2.7 Requirements specific to XML media types
18:35:52 <timbl> ... the draft at the moment does not mention w3c process atges, as it i snot a w3c-specific document.
18:36:18 <timbl> md: ... for exmpale you must have it by candidate rec
18:36:45 <Zakim> -Michael_Mealling
18:37:06 <timbl> ld:  is this specific to the m,ime type registration pocess ro more general?
18:37:18 <timbl> tim: specific, at this stage.
18:37:42 <timbl> md; There are some rfcs out hter which defien thinsg like HTML, and we publish new specificatiosn, and we have the question of what happens to the old RFCs.
18:37:51 <timbl> what would the ietf process be?
18:37:58 <timbl> leslie: good question.
18:38:28 <timbl> ... things need to be obsolted by something else, which could be a pointer to the new spec.
18:38:56 <timbl> leslie: The RFC series has vendor and FYI series ... doe sth same ahppen?
18:39:32 <leslie> NOT vendor & fyi series -- STD and BCP numbers
18:39:45 <leslie> STD numbers don't change even as the underlying rfc numbers are updated
18:40:55 <timbl> sory
18:40:57 <timbl> yes.
18:41:13 <timbl> We have "latest version" lsist whcih cover reveiisons but not new major versions.
18:41:32 <timbl> Leslie: How to work together with email?
18:43:10 <timbl> proposal: remindrers get sent arount to people who have not doen action items
18:43:22 <Zakim> -MartinD
18:45:54 <timbl> Next meeting?
18:46:13 <timbl> 13:00 ET
18:47:07 <timbl> Fridat Febraru 06 2004
18:47:39 <timbl> 2004-02-06T08:00Z
18:47:42 <DanC> http://calendar.sidekick.dngr.com/event?id=1076
18:48:19 <timbl> 2004-02-06T20:00Z
18:48:31 <Zakim> -Leslie_Daigle
18:48:33 <Zakim> -DanC
18:48:35 <timbl> ADJOURNED
18:48:36 <Zakim> -Ted_Hardy
18:48:40 <Zakim> -TimBL
18:48:47 <MSM> zakim, who is here?
18:48:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael
18:48:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see MSM, hardie, leslie, Ralph, RRSAgent, Zakim, timbl, DanC, MikeM
18:48:53 <Zakim> -Michael
18:48:54 <Zakim> W3C_IETF()1:00PM has ended
18:50:28 <DanC> Friday, February 6, 2004, at 1:00:00 PM Boston time = Friday, February 6, 2004, at 18:00:00 UTC per http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=2&year=2004&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=43
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18:57:04 <MJDuerst> sorry, I dropped out due to the time limit (charge protection) of 1.5h on my calling card.
18:57:33 <MJDuerst> At that time, my laptop had already run out of power, and I therefore didn't have the
18:57:37 <MJDuerst> access code anymore.
18:57:52 <MJDuerst> I hope you haven't scheduled the next meeting on a Tuesday
19:03:07 <MJDuerst> I have worked hard last time to have this one on a Wednesday :-)
19:07:51 <DanC> next one is on a friday
19:07:55 <DanC> Friday, February 6, 2004, at 1:00:00 PM Boston time = Friday, February 6, 2004, at 18:00:00 UTC per http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=2&year=2004&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=43
19:37:40 <DanC> timbl, for previous IETF/W3C calls, the scribe has (a) formatted the minutes as complete sentences (b) mailed them to the w3c-policy list for review, and after 7 days (c) released them to the public
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19:51:05 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:51:05 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items:
19:51:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to get ted's office number to PH [1]
19:51:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/10/08-ietf-irc#T17-23-00
19:51:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ted to Put cochairs in touch with Liam and Paul. [2]
19:51:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/10/08-ietf-irc#T17-36-49