IRC log of ietf on 2003-10-08

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16:57:34 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #ietf
16:58:11 [Zakim]: +Michael_Mealing
16:58:26 [Ralph]: Ralph has joined #ietf
16:58:34 [MikeM]: ok, how does Zakim know that?
16:58:43 [DanC]: caller-id
16:58:54 [MikeM]: which is odd since it got my last name wrong....
16:59:11 [DanC]: somebody made the binding between your number and your name in a previous telcon
16:59:21 [MikeM]: ahhh...
16:59:32 [DanC]: you can correct the spelling ala: Zakim, Michael is really _right spelling_
16:59:46 [MikeM]: Zakim, Michael is really Michael Mealling
16:59:46 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'Michael is really Michael Mealling', MikeM
16:59:53 [DanC]: no spaces
17:00:08 [MikeM]: Zakim, Michael is really Michael_Mealling
17:00:08 [Zakim]: +Michael_Mealling; got it
17:00:26 [Zakim]: +DanC
17:03:19 [tim-lex]: Zakim, mute me
17:03:19 [Zakim]: sorry, tim-lex, I do not see a party named 'tim-lex'
17:03:27 [timbl]: Zakim, mute me
17:03:27 [Zakim]: TimBL should now be muted
17:04:55 [timbl]: porr no is odd
17:07:32 [timbl]: typing w knuckles -- grea sandwich
17:08:16 [Zakim]: +Leslie_Daigle
17:09:09 [DanC]: Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:09:09 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Ted_Hardy, TimBL (muted), Michael_Mealling, DanC, Leslie_Daigle
17:09:45 [leslie]: leslie has joined #ietf
17:09:47 [DanC]: I'm expecting Martin Duerst, Michael Sperberg-McQueen
17:09:50 [DanC]: Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:09:50 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Ted_Hardy, TimBL (muted), Michael_Mealling, DanC, Leslie_Daigle
17:10:16 [hardie]: hardie has joined #ietf
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17:10:37 [Zakim]: +Amy
17:10:40 [hardie]: Howhowdy; just shifted to an outside account.
17:10:42 [Zakim]: -Amy
17:11:43 [Zakim]: +Michael
17:12:02 [DanC]: agenda + review of action
17:12:08 [DanC]: agenda + WebDAV/DASL
17:12:18 [DanC]: agenda + input to URI CG
17:12:38 [DanC]: agenda + IANA registry referencing
17:12:42 [DanC]: agenda + next meeting
17:12:47 [Zakim]: +??P27
17:13:05 [leslie]: Extracted action items from last meeting:
17:13:05 [leslie]: [**1] Ted Hardie -- set up an http archive of w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org readable by the subscribers
17:13:05 [leslie]: [**2] Ted Hardie -- estimate last call on draft-freed-mime-p4-*.
17:13:05 [leslie]: [**3] Ted Hardie -- enquire with IESG members such as Harald about what's expected in a new smil draft, and whether the author has been notified.
17:13:05 [leslie]: [**4] Leslie Daigle -- update this forum on next steps [for draft-iab-char-rep]
17:13:07 [leslie]: [**5] Michael Mealling -- raise the "uri maintenance team" idea in the W3C URI CG.
17:13:42 [DanC]: Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:13:42 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Ted_Hardy, TimBL (muted), Michael_Mealling, DanC, Leslie_Daigle, Michael, MartinD
17:13:44 [timbl]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3c-ietf-coord/2003Oct/0004.html for W3C team
17:13:50 [timbl]: is Leslie's message.
17:13:58 [DanC]: Zakim, take up item 1
17:13:58 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "review of action" taken up [from DanC]
17:14:47 [timbl]: Zakim, unmute me
17:14:47 [Zakim]: TimBL should no longer be muted
17:15:09 [timbl]: _________________________________
17:15:14 [timbl]: Action items
17:15:40 [timbl]: Ted's action hsn't ahppned because apps.ietf.org is in transision. ned free has health leave
17:16:04 [timbl]: **2 ongoing
17:16:05 [Zakim]: -Ted_Hardy
17:16:28 [timbl]: danC: Can we add MIME typed to the agenda?
17:16:37 [timbl]: various: consider it part of AIANA ite,m
17:17:26 [timbl]: Leslie: It is not clear to me when the last call ends
17:17:31 [timbl]: 2-4 qweeks?
17:18:02 [timbl]: draft-freed-mime-p4-*.
17:18:25 [timbl]: MikeM: I was not aware of existence of this draft.
17:18:36 [timbl]: Michael SMcQ - I was but haven't teda it
17:18:53 [timbl]: [ted rejoind conferenced in ny Leslie, from outside due to fire alarm]
17:19:06 [timbl]: 2003-10-27 is last call deadline
17:19:19 [timbl]: In other words befroe Minneapolis IETF.
17:19:32 [timbl]: Whether IESG gets to look at it depnds on Ned Freed'ds progress.
17:19:37 [timbl]: ACTION ITME #3
17:19:43 [timbl]: ITEM #3
17:20:06 [timbl]: Ted: Harald sent email on that which resolved question
17:20:16 [timbl]: DanC: PH sent ,ail sayingit was not resolved
17:21:34 [leslie]: Ted's office number: +1 408 423 0307
17:21:42 [timbl]: Tim: Issue is SMIL ___?
17:21:48 [DanC]: [[
17:21:49 [DanC]: From: Philipp Hoschka <ph@w3.org>
17:21:49 [DanC]: To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
17:21:49 [DanC]: Cc: w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org
17:21:49 [DanC]: Subject: SMIL media type change request (was: Re: minutes 17Jun for review
17:21:49 [DanC]: Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 00:13:30 +0200
17:21:50 [timbl]: Martin Mime type registrartion?
17:21:53 [DanC]: ]
17:23:00 [DanC]: ACTION DanC: get ted's office number to PH
17:23:06 [timbl]: ACTION DanC get Ted's phone # to PH
17:23:12 [timbl]: ACTION ITEM #4
17:23:34 [timbl]: (action #3 is re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3c-ietf-coord/2003Jul/0000.html)
17:23:43 [timbl]: Martin: I wanted top talk about this.
17:24:27 [timbl]: ... i wanto know whether that doc is on thcritical parth for the new ____
17:24:32 [timbl]: IRI draft
17:24:36 [timbl]: Leslie: yes, there are IMHO
17:25:10 [timbl]: I spoke with Michelle a month ago, and we can agree that there were things that were not undersood in a largercontext [sic - sribe is not following]
17:25:32 [timbl]: Martin: Should we just move aheda with teh IRI draft?
17:25:50 [timbl]: Leslie; too many directions at once.
17:26:19 [timbl]: ...., I realize that IRI can't wait for resource poblems elsewhere.
17:26:31 [timbl]: Ted: Internationalizing email -- rqeuest from J Klenson for a BOF.
17:26:48 [DanC]: Klensin?
17:26:49 [timbl]: Normally Ned would handle the BOF request,but Ned still out of action.
17:27:00 [timbl]: We do notknow whether Ned will be in Minniapolis.
17:27:12 [timbl]: Some discussions around IRI connected with that would b good.
17:27:25 [timbl]: Email folks don't understand issues which will ahpepend with mailto:
17:27:35 [leslie]: Dan -- yes, Klensin
17:27:37 [DanC]: yes, Klensin. e.g. http://forum.icann.org/cctld/38BD531A00000004.html
17:27:58 [timbl]: If both URI and email mke transitions, it would be nice if they could remnain compatible though the mailto: link
17:28:03 [timbl]: -ted
17:28:29 [timbl]: Might need an update to deal with bi-di - martin
17:28:33 [timbl]: (what might?)
17:28:35 [timbl]: @@
17:29:50 [timbl]: Action ietm #5: [**5] Michael Mealling -- raise the "uri maintenance team" idea in the W3C URI CG.
17:30:05 [timbl]: continues. Atleast a link from the web page exists, more effort necessary.
17:30:08 [Zakim]: +Ted_Hardy
17:30:15 [timbl]: See agenda item 4 - inout to URI CG
17:30:24 [timbl]: agenda?
17:30:34 [DanC]: Zakim, close item 1
17:30:34 [Zakim]: agendum 1 closed
17:30:35 [Zakim]: I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:30:36 [Zakim]: 2. WebDAV/DASL [from DanC]
17:30:38 [DanC]: Zakim, next item
17:30:38 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "WebDAV/DASL" taken up [from DanC]
17:30:59 [timbl]: Ted: Question - take DASL forard? This is abscially XML search.
17:31:16 [timbl]: Is there work on XML search in W3C? What sort of coordination needed?
17:31:29 [timbl]: MSM: What do you mean by XML search?
17:31:58 [timbl]: ted: DASl was a sepate group for searching and locating fo the metadata in DAV.
17:32:24 [timbl]: It was separate. It is constructed in XML namespaces and elements.
17:32:46 [timbl]: Tim: So it is equiavalent to the propblem of searching an XML document?
17:33:11 [timbl]: ted: Evry resource is part of a collection - how does on scope the search to collections ro groups of collections.
17:33:23 [timbl]: There is the collection structure which is not expressed in XML relationships themselves.
17:33:36 [timbl]: M<artin: What about XML Query?
17:33:45 [timbl]: ... we are just in that discussion.
17:34:12 [timbl]: XML query is targetted at searching single documents but also collections of them, butmaybe notwith the DAV-like structure.
17:34:44 [timbl]: Ted: Would XML-query be the right place to establish the relationship?
17:35:03 [timbl]: Martin: The revisiosn of xpatyh happend withing a group XQ and XSLT working closely together.
17:35:12 [MikeM]: sure... folks have been popping in and out with regularity
17:35:19 [timbl]: Tim: Paul Cotton contact, as chair of XQ?
17:35:43 [timbl]: MSM: You might also want to talk to Liam Quin, whowillalso have some knowledge of DAV.
17:36:05 [timbl]: TEd: Jim Whitehead is a co-chair.
17:36:16 [timbl]: Lias desaut (sp?) arethe chairs.
17:36:22 [leslie]: Lisa Dusseault
17:36:49 [timbl]: ACTION Ted: Put cochairs in touch with Liam and Paul.
17:36:58 [hardie]: Lisa Dusseault
17:37:11 [DanC]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Oct/0005.html
17:37:21 [timbl]: DanC: MSM, does the XQ working group consider protocols for XQ iover the wire? I think Whitehead is lookoing at that.
17:38:00 [timbl]: ... in response to ted's message I discussed this with [various] se resulting message [above linked]
17:38:41 [DanC]: "Lisa Dusseault" <lisa@xythos.com>
17:38:44 [timbl]: "Lisa Dusseault" <lisa@xythos.com>
17:38:49 [timbl]: snap
17:38:56 [timbl]: ______
17:39:06 [DanC]: Zakim, close this item
17:39:06 [Zakim]: agendum 2 closed
17:39:07 [Zakim]: I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:39:08 [timbl]: Zakim, take up next agenda
17:39:08 [Zakim]: 3. input to URI CG [from DanC]
17:39:09 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "input to URI CG" taken up [from DanC]
17:39:10 [DanC]: Zakmi, next item
17:39:57 [timbl]: Ted: Discussison on the impact of new schemes and their registration on teh existing scehmes and polices of the IETf and W3C.
17:40:16 [timbl]: Do these schemes provdie possibly dangerous alternatie registration mechanisms?
17:40:35 [timbl]: Should the URI CG be in the loop?
17:41:19 [timbl]: Witthe DOI and indo: schemes specifcially, the DOI for example saw itself as an alternative registaryion system, and info: saw itself as a way of bringingin namespacxes wfor which they were not the authority.
17:41:34 [timbl]: These look like attempts by bother groups to bypasss the existing polices.
17:42:14 [timbl]: Question: What should the IESG do about such things?
17:42:53 [timbl]: DanC: After the march meeting, I wrote a draft about keeping IANA registries on the web. Ned Freed picked it up - any progerss.
17:43:01 [timbl]: Leslie: See next agenda item.
17:43:40 [timbl]: DanC: Meanwhile, as michale said, many things are brewing,. the URI CG has not met yet, but I propose that we invite these people and tim to discuss them.
17:44:38 [timbl]: DanC: For exmaple, these grouppospose info you cannot look up, which eth TAG considers a bad idea.
17:44:58 [timbl]: ted; LArry is working on non-ietf trees.
17:45:17 [timbl]: there is a gripe that the process in the ietf tree takes too lonmg.
17:45:41 [timbl]: This is disingenuous for doi as they have never put in a regstration.
17:46:03 [timbl]: this was dois as a urn.
17:46:21 [timbl]: DOI hand handles have ebeen part of the URN scheme going back to 1994.
17:46:36 [timbl]: Thereare falgs in the ___ algorithm for accommodating handles.
17:46:48 [DanC]: DDDS
17:46:59 [timbl]: They are poposing a resolution system which replaces DNS where DNS fits in.
17:47:41 [timbl]: They refused to coorperate as a URN scheme becase they wantd to be a full URI scheme.
17:47:52 [timbl]: Ted: I could ocme to themeeting - depedns on when and where.
17:48:16 [hardie]: the next two months are evil
17:48:25 [timbl]: [attempts to discuss calendaring for URI CG meeting]
17:48:55 [timbl]: Ted: last 1.5 weeks of this month are bad for me
17:49:03 [DanC]: it was MM
17:49:27 [timbl]: I'll be in chicago then open for a week before the ietfv meeting
17:49:35 [timbl]: IETF is 9-14 november.
17:49:41 [DanC]: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/IETF-58.html
17:50:46 [timbl]: ACTION DanC propose a meeting with 7 days notice
17:51:06 [DanC]: next week , e.g. Fri, and week before IETF look less bad than others
17:51:09 [DanC]: Zakim, close this item
17:51:09 [Zakim]: agendum 3 closed
17:51:10 [Zakim]: I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:51:10 [timbl]: Zakim, next item
17:51:11 [Zakim]: 4. IANA registry referencing [from DanC]
17:51:12 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "IANA registry referencing" taken up [from DanC]
17:51:29 [DanC]: draft-connolly-w3c-accessible-registries
17:51:40 [DanC]: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-connolly-w3c-accessible-registries-00.txt
17:51:41 [timbl]: Two issues. IANA registration online.
17:51:50 [MikeM]: the draft has expired but has been reposted
17:51:53 [timbl]: and SMIL mime types
17:51:56 [timbl]: DanC:
17:52:07 [timbl]: There is a TAG issue about media types and URIs.
17:52:15 [timbl]: The TAG said use URIs for importan things.
17:52:26 [timbl]: So, what areth URIs for inetrnet media types?
17:52:41 [timbl]: IANA has a web site, but no policy for persistence.
17:52:48 [timbl]: Policy would need an internet draft.
17:52:53 [timbl]: DanC write draft,
17:53:17 [timbl]: Ned took and action to take the issue to the IANA folks.
17:54:00 [timbl]: Recently, MicahelM pointed out tht there is a BCP for using URNs.
17:54:18 [timbl]: MM: Do you wnat to be anble to dereference this, or encode all theattrributes too?
17:54:47 [timbl]: Don eastlake's draft encodes everything
17:54:57 [timbl]: DanC: refer is essential, formal spec is fragvy.
17:55:01 [timbl]: gravy.
17:55:02 [hardie]: so the URN with DDDS would be derferencing here?
17:55:12 [timbl]: danc: no need for all the attrributes.
17:57:53 [timbl]: Tim: You don't need to encode the attributes, because they are only read when you understand the internet conet type name
17:58:09 [timbl]: leslie: the polices may not be consistent with the iana expectations
17:58:40 [timbl]: but leavingthat aside, even assuming that is dioable, it is not clear to me what you expect a the end fo the day
17:58:52 [timbl]: when you dereference it.
17:59:30 [timbl]: If we had a URI scheme which would dereference it ..
17:59:47 [timbl]: MM: Why not use DDDS?
17:59:54 [timbl]: DAnC: Why is DDS better?
18:00:22 [timbl]: MM: you may need to change iana.org to something different.
18:00:39 [timbl]: danc: are ou claimingthat ddds provdies persistence?
18:00:50 [timbl]: mm: ddds provdies persistence.
18:01:11 [timbl]: mm: things like ianat.org change
18:01:55 [timbl]: danc: these is adderssed inthe draft
18:02:32 [timbl]: mm; If we go danc's way you'd never get new URI schemes.
18:02:55 [timbl]: leslie ... it isnot the ietf's veiew that that is possible
18:02:59 [timbl]: danc: are you speeaking for the ietf/
18:03:02 [timbl]: ?
18:03:45 [timbl]: Leslie: In the particular case of iana.org we concluded that that was a dubious thing?
18:04:16 [timbl]: We can do this as an open battle, or we can do it collegially.
18:04:31 [timbl]: An individal draft does have to be pushed. - mm
18:05:03 [timbl]: Ted; It has to be an IESG member if it is a BCP.
18:05:37 [timbl]: Danc: anyone else feelobliged to pick up the action of ned's?
18:05:49 [timbl]: leslie: If we did, it would have to be Ted.
18:06:10 [timbl]: Leslie: Or you can send it to the RDF editor yourself.
18:06:54 [timbl]: Ted; That is a mechanistic thing - but in this case as a proposed BCP it would boiuce back.
18:07:44 [timbl]: [discussion omitted]
18:11:35 [timbl]: uri.arpa
18:11:46 [timbl]: iana.org
18:12:22 [hardie]: Note: the key issue is ip delegation, which is not an IETF function, as opposed to protocol parameters which are.
18:12:32 [timbl]: iana.org is also used for ip assignment
18:13:11 [hardie]: http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:s0SzRjNwxCUJ:www.ietf.org/proceedings/02nov/slides/plenary-10/plenary-10.ppt+iana+geoff+huston&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
18:13:25 [hardie]: (Geoff Huston's public plenary talk about this)
18:15:52 [DanC]: thx for the pointer, hardie
18:16:11 [DanC]: ironic that it comes from the google cache, eh?
18:16:35 [timbl]: :)
18:16:52 [DanC]: oh, I see, google is providing ppt->html service, not persistence, in this case.
18:16:53 [timbl]: It coems from eth google cache only as a ppot -> standards translator
18:17:18 [timbl]: Martin: Aslso similar iana issue arrises for ____
18:18:42 [hardie]: here's the id version, too: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-iana-03.txt
18:21:49 [timbl]: [more discussion or iana.org]
18:22:21 [timbl]: Leslie: We have a philosophical difference with you as to whether a domain name should ever be used in an identifier.
18:23:40 [timbl]: ________________
18:23:48 [timbl]: PArt II of IANA toopic.
18:24:25 [timbl]: MSM:
18:24:47 [timbl]: I ahve not been aprt of these discisions so this is just from reports.
18:24:51 [timbl]: Zakim, mute me
18:24:51 [Zakim]: TimBL should now be muted
18:25:23 [DanC]: 404 @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-00.txt sigh
18:25:28 [leslie]: tim, does that mean you're off the call?
18:25:38 [timbl]: with the goal of making it possible for the mime type + fragod defining document to be defined bythe same org as defines the format.
18:25:49 [DanC]: 200 @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-03.txt
18:25:52 [timbl]: For exmpale, for postscript it might be an adobe document.
18:26:04 [timbl]: For XML it might be a W3C document.
18:26:33 [timbl]: There are a numebr of people in W3C who are trying to get recogncition that the element scheme in XPointer should become the recognized fragid syntax in XML.
18:26:52 [timbl]: The XML Core WG, the RFC3032 editors and teh w3C TAg and those present ar interested about this.
18:27:05 [timbl]: I am hereto learnwere er are and where conflicet may lie.
18:27:11 [timbl]: conflict may lie.
18:27:37 [timbl]: Martin: You could ask for a comment for the last call of ned's draft.
18:27:47 [timbl]: MSM: when deo sthe last call end?
18:27:52 [timbl]: Octover 27 - martin d
18:28:11 [timbl]: Ted: Does Ned's draft fix this problem?
18:28:15 [leslie]: Dan, I don't understand why you are getting a 404.
18:28:23 [DanC]: 4. External Body Access Types
18:28:30 [DanC]: 404 for draft version 00.
18:28:32 [timbl]: Martin: yes,it allwos for registrations which register external standards.
18:28:44 [leslie]: Ah.
18:28:46 [leslie]: Sorry.
18:28:47 [timbl]: Ted; That is the first time we have done something liek that.
18:29:00 [MikeM]: that wsa MM
18:29:12 [MikeM]: ;-)
18:29:23 [timbl]: sorry
18:29:28 [MikeM]: np
18:29:56 [timbl]: MSM: Are we trying to p[ersuaede th RFC 3023 authors to change it or should the document go into the XML spec?
18:30:09 [timbl]: Zakim, unmute me
18:30:09 [Zakim]: TimBL should no longer be muted
18:30:22 [timbl]: The W3C TAG concluded that the two be in eth XML spec.
18:30:36 [timbl]: q+
18:30:48 [timbl]: What ar eth constraints on XML xcore?
18:32:19 [timbl]: Tim: It is broken for part fo a spec to be in 1 doc and part in another when they ar erevieds difefrently and in different ors.
18:33:20 [timbl]: DanC: Example is multiple root elemenst - allowed by mime type but not by xml spec
18:33:52 [timbl]: mm: Does the document address the issuesof how the ietf would be able to review a W3C spec?
18:34:06 [timbl]: martin d: There are some assumptions about how this is done.
18:34:35 [timbl]: you have to send it to the types-review list ... they they should be explicit .
18:34:46 [timbl]: Clealry the document ahs to be publically avauilable.
18:35:32 [timbl]: md: When I talked with Frad in SFO we had some discsuiionsabout what stages in w3c process we should require people to do what.
18:35:43 [DanC]: hmm... 3.2.7 Requirements specific to XML media types
18:35:52 [timbl]: ... the draft at the moment does not mention w3c process atges, as it i snot a w3c-specific document.
18:36:18 [timbl]: md: ... for exmpale you must have it by candidate rec
18:36:45 [Zakim]: -Michael_Mealling
18:37:06 [timbl]: ld: is this specific to the m,ime type registration pocess ro more general?
18:37:18 [timbl]: tim: specific, at this stage.
18:37:42 [timbl]: md; There are some rfcs out hter which defien thinsg like HTML, and we publish new specificatiosn, and we have the question of what happens to the old RFCs.
18:37:51 [timbl]: what would the ietf process be?
18:37:58 [timbl]: leslie: good question.
18:38:28 [timbl]: ... things need to be obsolted by something else, which could be a pointer to the new spec.
18:38:56 [timbl]: leslie: The RFC series has vendor and FYI series ... doe sth same ahppen?
18:39:32 [leslie]: NOT vendor & fyi series -- STD and BCP numbers
18:39:45 [leslie]: STD numbers don't change even as the underlying rfc numbers are updated
18:40:55 [timbl]: sory
18:40:57 [timbl]: yes.
18:41:13 [timbl]: We have "latest version" lsist whcih cover reveiisons but not new major versions.
18:41:32 [timbl]: Leslie: How to work together with email?
18:43:10 [timbl]: proposal: remindrers get sent arount to people who have not doen action items
18:43:22 [Zakim]: -MartinD
18:45:54 [timbl]: Next meeting?
18:46:13 [timbl]: 13:00 ET
18:47:07 [timbl]: Fridat Febraru 06 2004
18:47:39 [timbl]: 2004-02-06T08:00Z
18:47:42 [DanC]: http://calendar.sidekick.dngr.com/event?id=1076
18:48:19 [timbl]: 2004-02-06T20:00Z
18:48:31 [Zakim]: -Leslie_Daigle
18:48:33 [Zakim]: -DanC
18:48:35 [timbl]: ADJOURNED
18:48:36 [Zakim]: -Ted_Hardy
18:48:40 [Zakim]: -TimBL
18:48:47 [MSM]: zakim, who is here?
18:48:47 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Michael
18:48:48 [Zakim]: On IRC I see MSM, hardie, leslie, Ralph, RRSAgent, Zakim, timbl, DanC, MikeM
18:48:53 [Zakim]: -Michael
18:48:54 [Zakim]: W3C_IETF()1:00PM has ended
18:50:28 [DanC]: Friday, February 6, 2004, at 1:00:00 PM Boston time = Friday, February 6, 2004, at 18:00:00 UTC per http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=2&year=2004&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=43
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18:57:04 [MJDuerst]: sorry, I dropped out due to the time limit (charge protection) of 1.5h on my calling card.
18:57:33 [MJDuerst]: At that time, my laptop had already run out of power, and I therefore didn't have the
18:57:37 [MJDuerst]: access code anymore.
18:57:52 [MJDuerst]: I hope you haven't scheduled the next meeting on a Tuesday
19:03:07 [MJDuerst]: I have worked hard last time to have this one on a Wednesday :-)
19:07:51 [DanC]: next one is on a friday
19:07:55 [DanC]: Friday, February 6, 2004, at 1:00:00 PM Boston time = Friday, February 6, 2004, at 18:00:00 UTC per http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=2&year=2004&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=43
19:37:40 [DanC]: timbl, for previous IETF/W3C calls, the scribe has (a) formatted the minutes as complete sentences (b) mailed them to the w3c-policy list for review, and after 7 days (c) released them to the public
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19:51:05 [Ralph]: rrsagent, bye
19:51:05 [RRSAgent]: I see 2 open action items:
19:51:05 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: DanC to get ted's office number to PH [1]
19:51:05 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/10/08-ietf-irc#T17-23-00
19:51:05 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ted to Put cochairs in touch with Liam and Paul. [2]
19:51:05 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/10/08-ietf-irc#T17-36-49