IRC log of rdfcore on 2003-09-19

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14:05:43 [ericm]

action: ericm to update frank's rdfcore email address

14:05:46 [jjc]

Zakim, who's on the call?

14:05:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Manola, Emiller, Jeremy, +1.850.434.aaaa

14:05:49 [Zakim]

+??P19

14:05:55 [Zakim]

+JosD

14:06:11 [ericm]

zakim, +1.850.434.aaaa is PatH

14:06:11 [Zakim]

+PatH; got it

14:06:28 [ericm]

zakim, +??P19 is Bristol

14:06:28 [Zakim]

sorry, ericm, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'

14:06:32 [ericm]

zakim, ??P19 is Bristol

14:06:32 [Zakim]

+Bristol; got it

14:06:40 [ericm]

zakim, Bristol contains Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri

14:06:40 [Zakim]

+Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri; got it

14:06:47 [ericm]

zakim, who is here?

14:06:47 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Manola, Emiller, Jeremy, PatH, Bristol, JosD

14:06:48 [Zakim]

Bristol has Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri

14:06:49 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, jjc, Zakim, ericm

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14:08:24 [jjcscribe]

AGenda:

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1 scribe

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=jjc

14:08:32 [ericm]

agenda = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Sep/0196.html

14:08:34 [jjcscribe]

2 Roll Call

14:08:38 [jjcscribe]

Zakim, who's on the call?

14:08:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Manola, Emiller, Jeremy, PatH, Bristol, JosD

14:08:39 [Zakim]

Bristol has Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri

14:09:16 [jjcscribe]

Review agenda

14:09:50 [jjcscribe]

regrets DanC, Patrick,

14:10:18 [jjcscribe]

URI proposal will be taken under 9 next steps

14:10:37 [jjcscribe]

Jos AOB pass criteria for negativ entailment tests

14:10:57 [jjcscribe]

Next telecon, next week.

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Scribe next week will be Graham.

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5. Minutes

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with two corrections

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Minutes approved

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Completed actions recorded as done

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Withdrawn actions OK

14:13:50 [jjcscribe]

Item 8

14:13:56 [jjcscribe]

rdfs is done??

14:14:11 [jjcscribe]

may be or may be not ...

14:14:28 [jjcscribe]

discussion (em, danbri, bwm)

14:14:41 [danbri_dna]

the rdfs one also describes rdf: ns

14:14:46 [jjcscribe]

continued all four actions

14:15:30 [jjcscribe]

action 2003-08-29#2 perl script will be ready within a week

14:16:22 [jjcscribe]

What needs to be done?

14:16:24 [dajobe-lap]

q+ to ask general point about doc updates

14:16:25 [jjcscribe]

Primer:

14:16:48 [jjcscribe]

Frank - I need to make one fix in response to comment, also affiliation update

14:16:50 [bwm]

ack dajobe

14:16:50 [Zakim]

dajobe-lap, you wanted to ask general point about doc updates

14:17:08 [jjcscribe]

Dave: what changes should we list?

14:17:27 [jjcscribe]

danbri_dna: full changes by ref?

14:18:01 [jjcscribe]

jjcscribe: i think full changes should be in

14:18:20 [jjcscribe]

em: technically danbri is right, inpractice jjc is right

14:18:54 [jjcscribe]

DECISION 2nd last call WDs will record changes between LC1 and LC2

14:19:02 [Zakim]

+Mike_Dean

14:19:06 [danbri_dna]

I quite agree this is the most helpful approach

14:19:16 [jjcscribe]

Changes from intermediate drafts will be highlighted

14:19:49 [jjcscribe]

SYNTAX: minor editorial changes

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ACTION jjc review syntax text on bnode IDs

14:21:06 [jjcscribe]

SCHEMA like daves

14:22:35 [dajobe-lap]

pfp's latest complaint http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JulSep/0339.html

14:25:22 [jjcscribe]

Concepts

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discussion of NFC?

14:26:26 [jjcscribe]

peter still appears to be wanting more informative text, but maybe satisfied with normative text

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editors are declining to add any informative text

14:26:56 [danbri_dna]

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14:29:16 [jjcscribe]

Also URI issue -

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% is resolved,

14:30:47 [jjcscribe]

ctrl chars - both Peter and Martin say it is a mistake

14:31:06 [dajobe-lap]

jjc's text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Sep/0207.html

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14:32:36 [bwm]

A URI reference within an RDF graph (an RDF URI reference) is a Unicode string

14:32:36 [bwm]

[UNICODE] that

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+ does not contain any control characters ( #x00 - #x1F, #x7F-#x9F)

14:32:36 [bwm]

+ and would produce a valid URI ...

14:33:28 [jjcscribe]

Proposal A that RDF concepts is changed to prohibit controlcharacters in RDF URI References

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ACTION Pat ensure that semantics refers to concepts text

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no objections, approved

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Proposal B see msg

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no objections, done

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ACTION jjc implement A and B

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ACTION jjc respond to pfps on URIs, cc martin

14:38:58 [jjcscribe]

Semantics

14:39:24 [jjcscribe]

There is some unclairty in proof appendix, Pat is working on these.

14:40:29 [jjcscribe]

Some of the issues pfps has no said OK but seems to have stopped being unhappy.

14:40:51 [jjcscribe]

Test Cases

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not much to do

14:41:11 [jjcscribe]

LBase - some small changes tracking semantics

14:42:19 [jjcscribe]

EDITORS please use TR version of documents to work from

14:42:57 [danbri_dna]

basically: the versions of our docs that were published to w3.org/TR/ have had a number of small fixes by danbri and ericm; please work from those rather than from the material you submitted to danbri and ericm

14:45:24 [jjcscribe]

action bwm check status of last call issue list

14:46:02 [dajobe-lap]

hmm, do we make a new LC issues list, zapping the old one?

14:47:46 [jjcscribe]

ACTION bwm s/none/no response/ in last call comments

14:51:24 [jjcscribe]

Discussion about I18N issue

14:51:51 [jjcscribe]

minutes of last week, says "No support for changing design"

14:52:19 [bwm]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Sep/0195.html

14:52:26 [jjcscribe]

(discussion today was procedural not technical)

14:54:10 [jjcscribe]

ACTION em Poke Michael

14:54:47 [jjcscribe]

(poking on xmlsch-02 not other issues)

14:56:53 [jjcscribe]

Jeremy proposes schedule changed 03 => 02 and 10 => 08

14:58:34 [jjcscribe]

ACTION ericm contact comm to get publication date

14:59:06 [jjcscribe]

daveb does 03 Nov move back, em no

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ACTION danbri produce boiler plate for OTD

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^OTD^SOTD

15:00:17 [jjcscribe]

ACTION jjc e-mail webont with 02 Oct comment deadline

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ACTION danbri e-mail rdfinterest with 02 Oct comment deadline

15:00:55 [jjcscribe]

ACTION bwm e-mail chairs list concerning LC 2

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^bwm^danbri^

15:02:15 [jjcscribe]

danbri will need to identify which groups are particularly targeted

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ACTION jjc suggest herman sends review as personal comment before webont endorsement

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AOB

15:04:21 [jjcscribe]

negative entailment test pass criteria

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q+

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q+ to disagree with Jos

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Jos worries from WebOnt

15:07:27 [dajobe-lap]

ack jjcscribe

15:07:27 [Zakim]

jjcscribe, you wanted to disagree with Jos

15:07:37 [jjcscribe]

about rule systems having difficulty about passing

15:08:30 [jjcscribe]

jjc rdf or rdfs rule sets are complete so no problem

15:08:37 [jjcscribe]

path may not be practical

15:08:57 [jjcscribe]

jos I am not satisfied, also datatype entailments

15:09:43 [jjcscribe]

brian suggests note in test document, indicating negative entailments are illustative

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pat let's stay silent

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josd but the implementation report?

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ACTION path to consider amendments to test cases text considering non=entailments

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out of itme

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meeting adjourning

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-Bristol

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-PatH

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-Emiller

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-JosD

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-Jeremy

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-Manola

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-Mike_Dean

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SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended

15:13:50 [dajobe-lap]

arrrr! ahoy people

15:14:04 [jjcscribe]

RRSAgent, pointer?

15:14:04 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-irc#T15-14-04

15:15:07 [jjcscribe]

Can someone please change perms on irc log?

15:15:55 [danbri_dna]

jjc, i can't get to w3.org from HP wireless LAN

15:15:57 [danbri_dna]

ericm, can you do it?

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15:16:31 [ericm]

http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-irc is now world

15:24:48 [jjcscribe]

thanks (just the html but that will do)

15:47:02 [ericm]

jjc, not sure why all variants didn't take...

15:47:21 [ericm]

http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-actions and http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-irc should now be world

16:14:27 [ericm]

http://www.netimperative.com/cmn/viewdoc.jsp?cat=all&docid=BEP1_News_0000056532

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