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14:05:43 <ericm> action: ericm to update frank's rdfcore email address
14:05:46 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
14:05:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Manola, Emiller, Jeremy, +1.850.434.aaaa
14:05:49 <Zakim> +??P19
14:05:55 <Zakim> +JosD
14:06:11 <ericm> zakim, +1.850.434.aaaa is PatH
14:06:11 <Zakim> +PatH; got it
14:06:28 <ericm> zakim, +??P19 is Bristol
14:06:28 <Zakim> sorry, ericm, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
14:06:32 <ericm> zakim, ??P19 is Bristol
14:06:32 <Zakim> +Bristol; got it
14:06:40 <ericm> zakim, Bristol contains Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri
14:06:40 <Zakim> +Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri; got it
14:06:47 <ericm> zakim, who is here?
14:06:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Manola, Emiller, Jeremy, PatH, Bristol, JosD
14:06:48 <Zakim> Bristol has Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri
14:06:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jjc, Zakim, ericm
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14:08:24 <jjcscribe> AGenda:
14:08:26 <jjcscribe> 1 scribe
14:08:29 <jjcscribe> =jjc
14:08:32 <ericm> agenda = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Sep/0196.html
14:08:34 <jjcscribe> 2 Roll Call
14:08:38 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who's on the call?
14:08:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Manola, Emiller, Jeremy, PatH, Bristol, JosD
14:08:39 <Zakim> Bristol has Jan, DaveB, Brian, Gk, Danbri
14:09:16 <jjcscribe> Review agenda
14:09:50 <jjcscribe> regrets DanC, Patrick,
14:10:18 <jjcscribe> URI proposal will be taken under 9 next steps
14:10:37 <jjcscribe> Jos AOB pass criteria for negativ entailment tests
14:10:57 <jjcscribe> Next telecon, next week.
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14:11:35 <jjcscribe> Scribe next week will be Graham.
14:11:42 <jjcscribe> 5. Minutes
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14:11:56 <jjcscribe> with two corrections
14:12:09 <jjcscribe> Minutes approved
14:12:41 <jjcscribe> Completed actions recorded as done
14:12:54 <jjcscribe> Withdrawn actions OK
14:13:50 <jjcscribe> Item 8
14:13:56 <jjcscribe> rdfs is done??
14:14:11 <jjcscribe> may be or may be not ...
14:14:28 <jjcscribe> discussion (em, danbri, bwm)
14:14:41 <danbri_dna> the rdfs one also describes rdf: ns
14:14:46 <jjcscribe> continued all four actions
14:15:30 <jjcscribe> action 2003-08-29#2 perl script will be ready within a week
14:16:22 <jjcscribe> What needs to be done?
14:16:24 <dajobe-lap> q+ to ask general point about doc updates
14:16:25 <jjcscribe> Primer:
14:16:48 <jjcscribe> Frank - I need to make one fix in response to comment, also affiliation update
14:16:50 <bwm> ack dajobe
14:16:50 <Zakim> dajobe-lap, you wanted to ask general point about doc updates
14:17:08 <jjcscribe> Dave: what changes should we list?
14:17:27 <jjcscribe> danbri_dna: full changes by ref?
14:18:01 <jjcscribe> jjcscribe: i think full changes should be in
14:18:20 <jjcscribe> em: technically danbri is right, inpractice jjc is right
14:18:54 <jjcscribe> DECISION 2nd last call WDs will record changes between LC1 and LC2
14:19:02 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
14:19:06 <danbri_dna> I quite agree this is the most helpful approach
14:19:16 <jjcscribe> Changes from intermediate drafts will be highlighted
14:19:49 <jjcscribe> SYNTAX: minor editorial changes
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14:20:38 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc review syntax text on bnode IDs
14:21:06 <jjcscribe> SCHEMA like daves
14:22:35 <dajobe-lap> pfp's latest complaint http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JulSep/0339.html
14:25:22 <jjcscribe> Concepts
14:25:51 <jjcscribe> discussion of NFC?
14:26:26 <jjcscribe> peter still appears to be wanting more informative text, but maybe satisfied with normative text
14:26:38 <jjcscribe> editors are declining to add any informative text
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14:29:16 <jjcscribe> Also URI issue - 
14:30:20 <jjcscribe> % is resolved, 
14:30:47 <jjcscribe> ctrl chars - both Peter and Martin say it is a mistake
14:31:06 <dajobe-lap> jjc's text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Sep/0207.html
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14:32:36 <bwm> A URI reference within an RDF graph (an RDF URI reference) is a Unicode string 
14:32:36 <bwm> [UNICODE] that 
14:32:36 <bwm> + does not contain any control characters ( #x00 - #x1F, #x7F-#x9F)
14:32:36 <bwm> + and would produce a valid URI ...
14:33:28 <jjcscribe> Proposal A that RDF concepts is changed to prohibit controlcharacters in RDF URI References 
14:33:40 <jjcscribe> ACTION Pat ensure that semantics refers to concepts text
14:33:49 <jjcscribe> no objections, approved
14:37:24 <jjcscribe> Proposal B see msg
14:37:29 <jjcscribe> no objections, done
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14:38:12 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc implement A and B
14:38:30 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc respond to pfps on URIs, cc martin
14:38:58 <jjcscribe> Semantics
14:39:24 <jjcscribe> There is some unclairty in proof appendix, Pat is working on these.
14:40:29 <jjcscribe> Some of the issues pfps has no said OK but seems to have stopped being unhappy.
14:40:51 <jjcscribe> Test Cases
14:40:54 <jjcscribe> not much to do
14:41:11 <jjcscribe> LBase - some small changes tracking semantics
14:42:19 <jjcscribe> EDITORS please use TR version of documents to work from
14:42:57 <danbri_dna> basically: the versions of our docs that were published to w3.org/TR/ have had a number of small fixes by danbri and ericm; please work from those rather than from the material you submitted to danbri and ericm
14:45:24 <jjcscribe> action bwm check status of last call issue list
14:46:02 <dajobe-lap> hmm, do we make a new LC issues list, zapping the old one?
14:47:46 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm s/none/no response/ in last call comments
14:51:24 <jjcscribe> Discussion about I18N issue
14:51:51 <jjcscribe> minutes of last week, says "No support for changing design"
14:52:19 <bwm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Sep/0195.html
14:52:26 <jjcscribe> (discussion today was procedural not technical)
14:54:10 <jjcscribe> ACTION em Poke Michael
14:54:47 <jjcscribe> (poking on xmlsch-02 not other issues)
14:56:53 <jjcscribe> Jeremy proposes schedule changed 03 => 02 and 10 => 08
14:58:34 <jjcscribe> ACTION ericm contact comm to get publication date
14:59:06 <jjcscribe> daveb does 03 Nov move back, em no
14:59:24 <jjcscribe> ACTION danbri produce boiler plate for OTD
14:59:29 <jjcscribe> ^OTD^SOTD
15:00:17 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc e-mail webont with 02 Oct comment deadline
15:00:34 <jjcscribe> ACTION danbri e-mail rdfinterest with 02 Oct comment deadline
15:00:55 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm e-mail chairs list concerning LC 2
15:01:01 <jjcscribe> ^bwm^danbri^
15:02:15 <jjcscribe> danbri will need to identify which groups are particularly targeted
15:03:57 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc suggest herman sends review as personal comment before webont endorsement
15:04:03 <jjcscribe> AOB
15:04:21 <jjcscribe> negative entailment test pass criteria
15:05:02 <jjcscribe> q+
15:05:11 <jjcscribe> q+ to disagree with Jos
15:07:19 <jjcscribe> Jos worries from WebOnt
15:07:27 <dajobe-lap> ack jjcscribe
15:07:27 <Zakim> jjcscribe, you wanted to disagree with Jos
15:07:37 <jjcscribe> about rule systems having difficulty about passing
15:08:30 <jjcscribe> jjc rdf or rdfs rule sets are complete so no problem
15:08:37 <jjcscribe> path may not be practical
15:08:57 <jjcscribe> jos I am not satisfied, also datatype entailments
15:09:43 <jjcscribe> brian suggests note in test document, indicating negative entailments are illustative
15:10:05 <jjcscribe> pat let's stay silent
15:10:15 <jjcscribe> josd but the implementation report?
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15:13:01 <jjcscribe> ACTION path to consider amendments to test cases text considering non=entailments
15:13:11 <jjcscribe> out of itme
15:13:16 <jjcscribe> meeting adjourning
15:13:18 <Zakim> -Bristol
15:13:19 <Zakim> -PatH
15:13:23 <Zakim> -Emiller
15:13:26 <Zakim> -JosD
15:13:26 <Zakim> -Jeremy
15:13:27 <Zakim> -Manola
15:13:35 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
15:13:36 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended
15:13:50 <dajobe-lap> arrrr!  ahoy people
15:14:04 <jjcscribe> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:14:04 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-irc#T15-14-04
15:15:07 <jjcscribe> Can someone please change perms on irc log?
15:15:55 <danbri_dna> jjc, i can't get to w3.org from HP wireless LAN
15:15:57 <danbri_dna> ericm, can you do it?
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15:16:31 <ericm> http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-irc is now world
15:24:48 <jjcscribe> thanks (just the html but that will do)
15:47:02 <ericm> jjc, not sure why all variants didn't take... 
15:47:21 <ericm> http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-actions and http://www.w3.org/2003/09/19-rdfcore-irc should now be world
16:14:27 <ericm> http://www.netimperative.com/cmn/viewdoc.jsp?cat=all&docid=BEP1_News_0000056532
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