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16:00:05 <DanC> Zakim, this will be WEBO
16:00:05 <Zakim> ok, DanC; I see SW_WebOnt()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:00:09 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has now started
16:00:10 <Zakim> +DanC
16:00:29 <Zakim> DanC, you asked to be reminded at this time to convene
16:00:58 <Zakim> +Jeff_Heflin
16:01:06 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:02:15 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
16:03:28 <Zakim> +??P8
16:03:53 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:03:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "convene, take roll, assign scribe, review record" taken up [from DanC]
16:05:15 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
16:05:25 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeremyC (34%), DanC (31%)
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16:05:47 <DanC> (considering cancelling)
16:05:48 <Zakim> +Tayeb
16:05:58 <jjc> Zakim, who's here?
16:05:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, Jeff_Heflin, Sandro (muted), Evan_Wallace, JeremyC, Tayeb
16:06:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, sandro, RRSAgent, logger, Zakim, DanC
16:06:42 <Zakim> +??P11
16:07:26 <sandro> you were breaking up there, DanC, for a moment.....
16:07:34 <jjc> Zakim, who's here?
16:07:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, Jeff_Heflin, Sandro (muted), Evan_Wallace, JeremyC, JeromeE, HermanT
16:07:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, sandro, RRSAgent, logger, Zakim, DanC
16:07:37 <sandro> but it seems okay now
16:07:58 <jjc> many regrets in agenda and list
16:08:15 <jjc> Minutes 0096 seconded and arried
16:08:21 <jjc> Review agenda.
16:08:39 <jjc> continue gene action jim
16:08:57 <jjc> proposal for outreach telecons
16:11:39 <jjc> Proposal to meet next thrusday
16:11:50 <jjc> Agenda at chairs discretion
16:12:13 <Zakim> + +1.323.444.aaaa
16:12:17 <jjc> seconded, no scribe volunteer
16:12:26 <jjc> Zakim, +aaaa is Jos
16:12:26 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
16:12:34 <jjc> Zakim, aaaa is Jos
16:12:34 <Zakim> +Jos; got it
16:14:01 <jjc> Jeremy asks about change log
16:14:42 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:14:42 <Zakim> agendum 1. "convene, take roll, assign scribe, review record" taken up [from DanC]
16:14:44 <jjc> DanC advises that editors draft should have changes against CR
16:14:49 <DanC> Zakim, close item 1
16:14:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:14:50 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:14:51 <Zakim> 2. Review agenda and misc actions, plan next meeting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Sep/0033.html [from DanC]
16:14:52 <DanC> Zakim, close item 2
16:14:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:14:53 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:14:54 <Zakim> 3. Comment handling [from DanC]
16:14:55 <DanC> Zakim, close item 3
16:14:55 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:14:57 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:14:58 <Zakim> 4. DL Syntax, B1/B2 [from DanC]
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16:17:29 <jjc> Peter action is complete
16:18:14 <DanC> pointer to proof attempt would be handy for today's record, in case somebody like herman wanted to find it
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16:20:09 <DanC> Peter's "problem with B1 B2" message doesn't cirectly cite the proof attempt
16:20:27 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:20:45 <ChrisW> zakim, [IBM] is temporarily ChrisW
16:20:45 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
16:21:15 <jjc> DanC action continued
16:21:27 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:21:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, Jeff_Heflin, Sandro (muted), Evan_Wallace, JeremyC, JeromeE, HermanT, Jos, ChrisW
16:21:28 <DanC> Zakim, close this item
16:21:29 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:21:30 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:21:31 <Zakim> 4. DL Syntax, B1/B2 [from DanC]
16:21:36 <DanC> Zakim, close item 8
16:21:36 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:21:37 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:21:38 <Zakim> 4. DL Syntax, B1/B2 [from DanC]
16:21:46 <DanC> Zakim, close item 4
16:21:46 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:21:47 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:21:48 <Zakim> 5. RDF Internationalization [from DanC]
16:22:18 <jjc> actions completed (x3)
16:26:23 <DanC> Zakim, close this item
16:26:23 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, DanC
16:26:26 <ChrisW> \me is catching up
16:26:28 <DanC> Zakim, close item 5
16:26:28 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:26:29 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:30 <Zakim> 6. Test review [from DanC]
16:26:34 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:26:34 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test review" taken up [from DanC]
16:26:40 <jjc> discussion of whether Guus' msg could be consensus comment
16:26:49 <jjc> new RDF Core specs published tomorrow
16:27:47 <jjc> jos has changed one proposed test (a #)
16:28:12 <jjc> jos believes there are many tests that should be approved
16:30:15 <DanC> Zakim, close agendum 6
16:30:15 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:30:16 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:30:17 <Zakim> 7. Exit criterion: two complete OWL Lite consistency checkers [from DanC]
16:30:27 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
16:30:27 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Exit criterion: two complete OWL Lite consistency checkers" taken up [from DanC]
16:30:54 <jjc> action hendler 
16:31:05 <jjc> action horrocks continued
16:32:17 <DanC> report from hendler 17 July http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Jul/0159.html
16:32:45 <DanC> Zakim, close this agendum
16:32:45 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
16:32:46 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:32:47 <Zakim> 9. Exit Criterion: two reasoners implementing useful subsets of OWL Full ... [from DanC]
16:32:53 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 8
16:32:53 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Exit criterion: Each test [...] is [...] passed" taken up [from DanC]
16:33:05 <jjc> hendler action continued
16:33:21 <jjc> white's action continued
16:33:53 <DanC> (I'm converting PFPS's OWLP log into this format; progress so far http://64.126.64.19/2003-08p/,owlp.rdf )
16:34:07 <jjc> sandro has a tool that can build a reporting tool
16:34:17 <jjc> ^ugg muddle
16:34:35 <DanC> page in progress: http://www.w3.org/2003/08/owl-systems/test-results-out
16:35:51 <jjc> sandro pass/test/incomplete
16:36:04 <jjc> nonentailment test often would be incomplete
16:36:46 <sandro> Full + (NonEntailment|Consistency) == not really possible, as far as we know
16:37:01 <jjc> suggestion that we should modify exit criteria that consistency and nonentailment tests as incomplete rather than pass
16:37:29 <jjc> (for Full tests)
16:38:12 <sandro> Jos: I dont want to switch to calling the NET/CT's not-finding-proof to being not Passing
16:38:20 <DanC> Zakim, close this agendum
16:38:20 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:38:21 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:38:22 <Zakim> 9. Exit Criterion: two reasoners implementing useful subsets of OWL Full ... [from DanC]
16:38:29 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
16:38:29 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Exit Criterion: two reasoners implementing useful subsets of OWL Full ..." taken up [from DanC]
16:38:47 <jjc> sandro's action done
16:38:55 <jjc> jos reported 0023
16:40:28 <jjc> ACTION jos transalte results into sandros format
16:40:37 <sandro> Jos report so far: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Sep/0023.html
16:41:30 <jjc> jeremy has asked dave reynolds, Jena stuff will be late (after 20 sept)
16:42:35 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/03owlt/resultsOntology#T
16:42:45 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/03owlt/resultsOntology#
16:42:55 <DanC> (seems agreeable to test editors)
16:43:16 <jjc> (URL 404)
16:43:18 <DanC> ACTION sandro: cure 404 there
16:43:25 <jjc> ACTION sandro put something at resultOntology
16:43:29 <sandro> in parallel to:   http://www.w3.org/2002/03owlt/testOntology#
16:43:33 <DanC> Zakim, close this agendum
16:43:33 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
16:43:34 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:43:35 <Zakim> 10. exit criterion: two owl syntax checkers passing all tests [from DanC]
16:43:42 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
16:43:42 <Zakim> agendum 10. "exit criterion: two owl syntax checkers passing all tests" taken up [from DanC]
16:43:59 <jjc> Sean has reported
16:44:53 <Zakim> -HermanT
16:45:43 <jjc> Peter reported
16:46:23 <DanC> [[[
16:46:24 <DanC> Reading http://www.w3.org/2002/03owlt/disjointWith/consistent004
16:46:24 <DanC> OWL ERROR: When checking disjoints
16:46:24 <DanC> Disjoints not a clique
16:46:25 <DanC> ]]]
16:47:05 <Zakim> + +1.314.025.aabb
16:48:16 <jjc> Peter's checker passes
16:48:31 <jjc> Horrocks action continued
16:48:36 <jjc> Hendler's action continued
16:51:00 <sandro> DanC: two tests, which share materials....     Manifest#test, Manifest#test2
16:52:24 <jjc> DanC would like DL and Full tests to have different names
16:54:53 <jjc> ACTION jjc to think about problem of two tests per test
16:56:03 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
16:56:03 <Zakim> agendum 10. "exit criterion: two owl syntax checkers passing all tests" taken up [from DanC]
16:56:13 <jjc> Last item DanC is inclined to adjourn rather than discuss last agendum item
16:56:42 <jjc> Adjourned
16:56:42 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
16:56:45 <Zakim> -ChrisW
16:56:46 <Zakim> - +1.314.025.aabb
16:56:47 <Zakim> -JeromeE
16:56:54 <Zakim> -Jeff_Heflin
16:56:55 <Zakim> -JeremyC
16:56:56 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:56:57 <Zakim> -Jos
16:57:02 <Zakim> -DanC
16:57:03 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended
16:57:25 <DanC> jjc, pls *don't* put the actions in 2 places in the record, OK?
16:57:38 <DanC> I much prefer that actions stay tucked under agenda
16:58:25 <jjc> OK
16:58:42 <jjc> (i.e. my usual summary at the top is unwanted)
16:59:01 <DanC> it may be wanted by other chairs, but not this one
16:59:22 <DanC> if your summary grouped things under agenda, that would be ok, maybe.
16:59:28 <jjc> I might sent it as a separate message
17:00:17 <jjc> personally I hardly ever read the minutes - and like a short form
17:02:15 <DanC> er... it's fine to make the minutes short. If you don't think something's worth reading, just don't put it in the minutes at all
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