IRC log of wai-wcag on 2003-08-21

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20:27:33 [RRSAgent]
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20:27:51 [wendy]
wac reads proposed changes to charter. no issues.
20:28:03 [wendy]
wac will inform judy to move forward w/charter
20:28:05 [wendy]
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20:28:33 [wendy]
abbreviations, acronyms, and unambiguous language is similar.
20:28:38 [wendy]
need to translate between languages.
20:29:13 [wendy]
someone point to any word on page and get definition and pronunciation.
20:29:22 [Zakim]
+Dave_MacDonald
20:30:21 [wendy]
ability to mark up individual items but also a mechanism to prevent having to do that too much.
20:30:33 [wendy]
end result: simple rules for disambiguation
20:31:17 [wendy]
every time translate to simpler form, lose some information. but if don't some people can't understand.
20:31:24 [wendy]
means each page would have to be in multiple forms.
20:31:25 [wendy]
q?
20:31:34 [wendy]
ack sh1mmer
20:31:41 [wendy]
plain english campaign?
20:32:14 [wendy]
there are lexicons such as wordnet that include information to disambiguate words according to context.
20:32:46 [wendy]
invite person specializing in AI to discuss w/the group.
20:33:01 [wendy]
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/~wn/
20:33:20 [wendy]
http://www.cyc.com/tech.html
20:33:33 [wendy]
http://www.opencyc.org/
20:33:53 [wendy]
don't have to markup page if it is in a reference dictionary or if you can use cyc
20:33:59 [wendy]
likely language-specific.
20:34:43 [wendy]
re: plain english, trying not to tell people how to write, because want to maintain freedom of expression.
20:35:58 [wendy]
ack john
20:36:16 [wendy]
translating from more to less complex: interesting to start simple and build to complex.
20:36:39 [wendy]
as get deeper into site hierarchy, get more complex. instead of losing info, you gain it.
20:36:58 [wendy]
each level of hierarchy, gets more complex view of topic. start w/most simple, next link is more complex, etc.
20:37:18 [wendy]
changes mindset that you bring to people: instead of losing info, consider gaining info.
20:38:11 [wendy]
not multiple forms of the same page, separate pages that present comparable info.
20:38:38 [wendy]
benefits for other users. effectively generating a summary.
20:38:59 [rscano]
q?
20:39:47 [sh1mmer]
q+
20:39:48 [wendy]
like idea: to markup content but not have to too much. other discussion was about AI, our guidelines need to rely on simpler technologies.
20:40:16 [wendy]
keep it as general and human-oriented as possible.
20:40:20 [wendy]
ack sh1mmer
20:40:31 [wendy]
differentiate the content, language techniques are complex.
20:42:00 [wendy]
AI required to process language, but screen readers might mispronounce words but users can generally adapt to that behavior.
20:42:06 [wendy]
not feasible for the behavior to change.
20:42:32 [wendy]
worry about guidelines that depend on a complex behavior. if we do, who is it helping? what are we looking to do?
20:43:56 [wendy]
marking w/meaning more important than marking with pronunciation.
20:44:14 [wendy]
but, we don't have a standard for doing it.
20:44:31 [wendy]
there is internationalization, translation,...is anyone trying to create a cascading, semantic markup.
20:48:31 [wendy]
OWL FAQ: http://www.w3.org/2003/08/owlfaq
20:48:47 [wendy]
OWL overview: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-features-20030818/
20:50:00 [wendy]
press release: http://www.w3.org/2003/08/owl-pressrelease
20:50:23 [wendy]
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20:50:58 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/wcag2_issues.php#334
20:51:44 [wendy]
no concerns
20:51:45 [wendy]
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20:52:20 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/wcag2_issues.php#332
20:54:46 [wendy]
no concerns.
20:54:47 [wendy]
===
20:55:11 [wendy]
need to bring edits like this up to the group? if bring to the list and no one comments, enough?
20:56:15 [bcaldwell]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/07/review_draft.html
20:59:34 [wendy]
===
20:59:48 [Zakim]
-Andi
20:59:49 [Zakim]
-Kerstin
20:59:49 [Zakim]
-John_Slatin
20:59:49 [Zakim]
-Ben_and_Gregg
20:59:50 [Zakim]
-Dave_MacDonald
20:59:51 [Zakim]
-Doyle_Burnett
20:59:52 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
20:59:53 [Zakim]
-Tom_Croucher
20:59:54 [wendy]
zakim, bye
20:59:55 [Zakim]
Zakim has left #wai-wcag
20:59:59 [wendy]
RRSAgent, bye
20:59:59 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items