IRC log of wai-wcag on 2003-08-07
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 19:56:09 [RRSAgent]
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- 19:57:07 [Zakim]
- +??P14
- 19:57:17 [rellero]
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- 19:57:21 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P14 is Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:57:21 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
- 19:58:35 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 19:58:35 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:59:11 [Zakim]
- +??P15
- 19:59:38 [rscano]
- Zakim, ??P15 is Christine
- 19:59:38 [Zakim]
- +Christine; got it
- 19:59:53 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 19:59:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Yvette_Hoitink, Christine (muted)
- 20:00:12 [rscano]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 20:00:14 [Zakim]
- +??P16
- 20:00:23 [Zakim]
- rscano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Roberto_Scano (25%), ??P16 (4%)
- 20:00:33 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:00:33 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:00:57 [Zakim]
- +??P17
- 20:01:15 [Zakim]
- +Avi_Arditti
- 20:01:24 [bcaldwell]
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- +??P18
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- +??P21
- 20:01:37 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
- 20:01:44 [m3mSEA]
- m3mSEA has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:01:45 [rellero]
- zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
- 20:01:45 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
- 20:01:49 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P17 is Ben_Gregg_Harding
- 20:01:49 [Zakim]
- +Ben_Gregg_Harding; got it
- 20:01:49 [m3mSEA]
- zakim, who's here?
- 20:01:50 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Yvette_Hoitink, Christine (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Ben_Gregg_Harding, Avi_Arditti, ??P18, ??P21, Wendy
- 20:01:52 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see m3mSEA, bcaldwell, rellero, RRSAgent, wendy, rscano, bengt, mcappelli, Yvette, Zakim
- 20:01:57 [m3mSEA]
- zakim, ??P21 is me
- 20:01:57 [Zakim]
- +m3mSEA; got it
- 20:02:15 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:02:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Yvette_Hoitink, Christine, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Ben_Gregg_Harding, Avi_Arditti, ??P18, m3mSEA, Wendy
- 20:02:19 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:02:19 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 20:02:20 [Zakim]
- +Dave_MacDonald
- 20:02:27 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P18 Kerstin
- 20:02:27 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P18 Kerstin', wendy
- 20:02:39 [Zakim]
- +Jibari
- 20:02:40 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P18 is Kerstin
- 20:02:40 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin; got it
- 20:02:48 [wendy]
- zakim, Christine is Cynthia
- 20:02:48 [Zakim]
- +Cynthia; got it
- 20:02:51 [wendy]
- zakim, who's here?
- 20:02:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Cynthia (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Ben_Gregg_Harding, Avi_Arditti, Kerstin, m3mSEA, Wendy, Dave_MacDonald, Jibari
- 20:02:54 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see m3mSEA, bcaldwell, rellero, RRSAgent, wendy, rscano, bengt, mcappelli, Yvette, Zakim
- 20:03:10 [Zakim]
- +??P25
- 20:03:19 [Zakim]
- +JasonWhite
- 20:03:30 [bengt]
- Zakim, ??P25 is Bengt_Farre
- 20:03:30 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 20:04:12 [wendy]
- zakim, Ben_Gregg_Harding is Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony
- 20:04:12 [Zakim]
- +Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony; got it
- 20:04:21 [rscano]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:04:21 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano should now be muted
- 20:04:23 [wendy]
- Graham Harding, Tony Carpenter
- 20:04:29 [bengt]
- zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
- 20:04:29 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
- 20:04:56 [Yvette]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:04:56 [Zakim]
- ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:05:32 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 20:05:59 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P4 is Andi
- 20:05:59 [Zakim]
- +Andi; got it
- 20:06:19 [rscano]
- zakim, who is here?
- 20:06:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano (muted), Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Cynthia (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony, Avi_Arditti, Kerstin, m3mSEA, Wendy,
- 20:06:22 [Zakim]
- ... Dave_MacDonald, Jibari, Bengt_Farre, JasonWhite, Andi
- 20:06:23 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see m3mSEA, bcaldwell, rellero, RRSAgent, wendy, rscano, bengt, mcappelli, Yvette, Zakim
- 20:07:39 [wendy]
- first case of photo-sensitive epilepsy recorded in 1800s
- 20:07:55 [wendy]
- a flickering candle had caused a seizure in someone.
- 20:09:01 [wendy]
- legend about potter's wheel causing seizures.
- 20:09:23 [wendy]
- (Dr. Graham Harding is presenting to the group about photo-sensitive epilepsy)
- 20:09:44 [wendy]
- PSE seizures induced by visual stimulus.
- 20:09:58 [wendy]
- prevelance is about 1 in 4,000
- 20:10:33 [wendy]
- of people who have had a seizure. it is unknown how many people are photo-sensitive but have not had a seizure
- 20:10:46 [wendy]
- incidence of PSE (# of new cases/year).
- 20:10:56 [wendy]
- in UK, 1.1/100K /year
- 20:11:09 [wendy]
- restricted to 17-19 year age group icnreases to 5.7
- 20:11:15 [wendy]
- (5 times as common for young people)
- 20:11:21 [wendy]
- age of onset peaks around puberty
- 20:11:24 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Cooper
- 20:11:46 [wendy]
- zakim, who is talking?
- 20:11:57 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony (33%), Bengt_Farre (11%)
- 20:12:03 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Bengt_Farre
- 20:12:03 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre should now be muted
- 20:12:13 [wendy]
- heard a minor echo. seems to be gone now.
- 20:12:22 [wendy]
- strong genetic factor.
- 20:12:36 [wendy]
- most provoking stimuli?
- 20:13:02 [wendy]
- television (in europe) - 50 Hz (same as electricity). 49% are sensitive to that frequency
- 20:13:22 [bengt]
- PAL Phase Alternate Lines
- 20:13:38 [wendy]
- that's PAL (europe). for NTSC (american) - 60 Hz only 15% are sensitive.
- 20:14:25 [wendy]
- thus, probably same prevalance in populatin but less occurence b/c of flash rates of tv.
- 20:14:49 [wendy]
- ntsc more likely that patients view tv closely and can resolve the 2 lines on the tv
- 20:14:57 [wendy]
- (closely = ~1 meter)
- 20:15:26 [wendy]
- this does not include content or number of frames. it is the effect of the tv itself.
- 20:15:44 [wendy]
- a function of binocular vision (need two eyes to be photo-sensitive)
- 20:16:22 [wendy]
- thus, cover one eye. (don't close eyes - peak sensitivity)
- 20:16:26 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:16:27 [wendy]
- color
- 20:16:29 [bengt]
- zakim, who is talking?
- 20:16:42 [Zakim]
- bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andi (90%), Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony (62%)
- 20:17:02 [wendy]
- colors w/ long wavelengths are provocative
- 20:17:15 [wendy]
- most patients who are photo sensitive are often pattern sensitive
- 20:17:40 [wendy]
- high contrast material presented at particular spatial frequencies. 2-3 cycles/degree most sensitive 5-6 cycles/degre
- 20:17:45 [wendy]
- spatial luminence change
- 20:17:48 [wendy]
- rather than temporal
- 20:18:03 [wendy]
- bars more provocative than checkerboards
- 20:18:10 [Zakim]
- -Cynthia
- 20:18:23 [wendy]
- narrower, longer lines more provocative. doesn't matter orientation.
- 20:18:34 [Zakim]
- +??P8
- 20:18:46 [Zakim]
- -??P8
- 20:19:02 [Zakim]
- +??P8
- 20:19:34 [wendy]
- 1970s BBC "top of the pops" had flickering lights and produced seizures in several people.
- 20:19:56 [wendy]
- 1997 pokemon, 4 seconds, 685 hospital visits
- 20:20:28 [wendy]
- another group, people who have epilepsy who are also photo-sensitive (5-10% of people with epilepsy?)
- 20:20:35 [wendy]
- pokemon: red and blue
- 20:20:59 [wendy]
- not sure if on computer displays if possible to get long wavelength red. look into to see what the color spectrum is.
- 20:21:55 [wendy]
- guidelines used in the UK and in Japan (similar ones in Russia and proposal for international) flash rates restricted to 3/seconds or less
- 20:22:15 [wendy]
- spatial frequencies: bars should be roughly 0.5 and 6 cycles/degree where reasonably high contrast
- 20:22:32 [wendy]
- luminence change of XX YY (missed # and measurement)
- 20:22:41 [wendy]
- restrict area that can be shown.
- 20:23:01 [wendy]
- less than 25% of tv screen.
- 20:23:08 [wendy]
- less thatn 40% if stationary pattern
- 20:23:23 [wendy]
- issues are different for computer screen.
- 20:23:29 [wendy]
- viewing difference is different.
- 20:23:31 [bengt]
- spatial frequency "not between" 0.5 and 6 cycles per degree
- 20:23:43 [wendy]
- thus causing difference in field of vision (% it takes up)
- 20:24:59 [rellero]
- q+ to say "The vertical frequency is influential to the same way as the television in the monitors?"
- 20:25:11 [wendy]
- gregg and graham recorded a video interview that will be made available on the Web.
- 20:26:00 [wendy]
- to create red on tv there is not phosphorous, but there are two spikes.
- 20:26:14 [bengt]
- url: http://www.epilepsytoronto.org/people/eaupdate/vol9-3.html
- 20:26:17 [wendy]
- in eye: red cone, blue cone, and green cone. blue and red overlap, almost identical.
- 20:28:04 [wendy]
- red flash perhaps more trouble due to differences in way red handled by eye.
- 20:28:25 [wendy]
- tony describes tool he's developed to work with televisions.
- 20:28:50 [wendy]
- q+ rscano to say "can translate in italian this page contents and put in webaccessibile.org?"
- 20:28:59 [rscano]
- thank u wendy :)
- 20:29:02 [wendy]
- :)
- 20:29:31 [wendy]
- pass video into machine. analyze for the 4 areas stated in the tv commission guidelines.
- 20:29:35 [wendy]
- (mentioned above)
- 20:30:59 [wendy]
- allowed 3 flashes/second. not allowed to exceed 25% of screen. no more than 20 candellas of contrast chagne in that space (?160 candellas)
- 20:31:28 [bengt]
- "candela" "candelas"
- 20:31:42 [wendy]
- red: 3 /second. 80% saturaction levels of red are dangerous.
- 20:31:47 [rscano]
- s/candellas/candelas
- 20:31:54 [wendy]
- spatial pattern: detect more than 5 pairs of attributes
- 20:31:58 [wendy]
- if moving, 25%
- 20:32:01 [wendy]
- if static, x%
- 20:32:15 [wendy]
- if smoothly flow across the screen, exempt
- 20:32:55 [wendy]
- extended failure: none of broad levels are exceeded but over time might have same effect
- 20:33:04 [wendy]
- i.e., keep something oscillating could cause an issue
- 20:33:14 [wendy]
- feed video in. produce trace on graph.
- 20:33:31 [wendy]
- trace "hardings" that represent a visual rating system
- 20:33:57 [wendy]
- that indicates level of risk
- 20:34:09 [wendy]
- individual frames are highlighted as those that have failed
- 20:34:55 [wendy]
- allowed 6 transitions/second
- 20:35:27 [wendy]
- describes features of tool
- 20:35:35 [wendy]
- wrt television and CRT
- 20:35:46 [wendy]
- 25% or 40% for something at other side of room.
- 20:36:02 [wendy]
- same angle of view for screen in front of you (monitor) could be as little as 10 or 5%
- 20:36:35 [wendy]
- advantage: 90% of sensitivity in 10% of vision (central)
- 20:37:16 [wendy]
- as bring screen close, sensitivity changes
- 20:37:38 [wendy]
- resolution higher, thus higher sensitivity to patterns
- 20:38:39 [wendy]
- if content takes up whole screen (on computer) then smaller percentage and takes up 10 degrees then sensitivity increases perhaps into that "danger zone"
- 20:40:26 [wendy]
- goal is to create a free, downloadable tool that allows you to play or browser content, it will analyze, create file, see triggers as it goes along. what the risk factors rise and fall.
- 20:40:39 [wendy]
- q?
- 20:41:40 [wendy]
- describe commercial that failed test and how could fix it w/out changing it much.
- 20:41:58 [wendy]
- you can have flashing, but need to design it carefully
- 20:42:29 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "Do LCD monitors cause seizures as well or is it just CRTs?"
- 20:42:46 [wendy]
- ack rellero
- 20:42:46 [Zakim]
- rellero, you wanted to say "The vertical frequency is influential to the same way as the television in the monitors?"
- 20:43:45 [bengt]
- regarding lcd? http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/photo.html last part
- 20:44:05 [wendy]
- talk only about central 10 degrees
- 20:44:26 [Yvette]
- q-
- 20:44:34 [wendy]
- take an area of 10 degrees of vision, then rules are the same on the tv and computer
- 20:44:36 [rscano]
- q-
- 20:44:49 [wendy]
- not just vertical lines, doesn't matter orientation. it's the ratio.
- 20:44:56 [wendy]
- diagonal as much a problem as vertical.
- 20:45:10 [wendy]
- critical is the spatial frequency across central 10 degrees of vision where you are looking on the screen.
- 20:45:16 [rscano]
- q- rscano
- 20:45:24 [wendy]
- doesn't apply since tv viewed from greater distance.
- 20:45:32 [bengt]
- spatial frequency also for LCD ?
- 20:45:56 [wendy]
- q+ bengt
- 20:46:00 [wendy]
- q+ cynthia
- 20:46:14 [bengt]
- yep
- 20:46:14 [rscano]
- unmute Bengt_Farre
- 20:46:21 [bengt]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:46:21 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre should no longer be muted
- 20:46:32 [rscano]
- he is unmuted
- 20:47:26 [wendy]
- bengt asks: regarding spatial frequency, does that also apply to LCD screen?
- 20:47:40 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Bengt_Farre
- 20:47:40 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre should now be muted
- 20:47:51 [wendy]
- it is irrespective of the type of screen being used.
- 20:48:15 [wendy]
- fixation point on any monitor, take 10 degrees around that
- 20:48:25 [rellero]
- q+ to say "01,9901again about monitor vertical frequency, is a monitor with a vf of 50 Hz more dangerous of a monitor at 140 Hz? 01,99"
- 20:48:33 [bengt]
- q-
- 20:48:43 [rscano]
- q- bengt
- 20:49:10 [bengt]
- Yes
- 20:49:23 [wendy]
- zakim, who's talking?
- 20:49:34 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony (26%), Kerstin (94%)
- 20:49:49 [wendy]
- zakim, Kerstin is Cythia.a
- 20:49:49 [Zakim]
- +Cythia.a; got it
- 20:49:54 [wendy]
- zakim, Cynthia is Kerstin
- 20:49:54 [Zakim]
- sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named 'Cynthia'
- 20:49:59 [wendy]
- zakim, who's here?
- 20:49:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Scano, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Ben_Gregg_Graham_Tony, Avi_Arditti, Cythia.a, m3mSEA, Wendy, Dave_MacDonald, Jibari, Bengt_Farre
- 20:50:02 [Zakim]
- ... (muted), JasonWhite, Andi, Michael_Cooper, ??P8 (muted)
- 20:50:03 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see m3mSEA, bcaldwell, rellero, RRSAgent, wendy, rscano, bengt, mcappelli, Yvette, Zakim
- 20:50:22 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P8 is Kerstin
- 20:50:22 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin; got it
- 20:50:26 [rscano]
- zakim, cynthia.a is Cynthia_Shelly
- 20:50:26 [Zakim]
- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named 'cynthia.a'
- 20:50:41 [rscano]
- zakim, Cythia.a is Cynthia_Shelly
- 20:50:41 [Zakim]
- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
- 20:51:34 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin
- 20:51:56 [wendy]
- new monitors getting away from scanning system used on crt. this will remove that risk (that becomes less of a risk as frequency rate increases)
- 20:52:12 [wendy]
- LCD, plasma - are all reducing the risk.
- 20:52:21 [wendy]
- but it makes no difference to the presentation of material.
- 20:52:53 [wendy]
- 30-50 degrees of view... in tv, how do you handle things like someone who has a large screen.
- 20:52:56 [Zakim]
- +??P8
- 20:53:07 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P8 is Kerstin
- 20:53:07 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin; got it
- 20:53:43 [wendy]
- not critical b/c we've done calculations that show that the diff between a 20" and 60" tv viewed at normal viewing distance (8 ft) doesn't make any difference.
- 20:53:54 [wendy]
- 90% of visual cortex dealing with central 10 degrees of vision
- 20:54:22 [wendy]
- 10% requires 120degrees. no matter how big screen gets, contribution not significant
- 20:54:43 [wendy]
- situation w/computer screens: central 10 degrees, but where looking? assumption w/tv is that looking at center of tv
- 20:54:49 [wendy]
- diff from computer display
- 20:55:14 [wendy]
- what about cnn-like content w/ticker on bottom, etc.
- 20:55:21 [wendy]
- luckily, not much flicker in those
- 20:56:16 [wendy]
- discusses program and web site for CBC
- 20:56:48 [rscano]
- q?
- 20:57:03 [wendy]
- want to put up examples but afraid to cause seizure. however, can show a thumbnail.
- 20:57:22 [wendy]
- ack cynthia
- 21:03:16 [wendy]
- rellero - do you still have your question? seems to me he already answered that in response to cynthia, or am i missing something?
- 21:04:20 [rellero]
- Yes, was answered
- 21:04:23 [bengt]
- interesting question what is the cutoff frequency for flicker ?
- 21:04:34 [rscano]
- q- rellero
- 21:04:43 [wendy]
- ack Avi
- 21:04:57 [wendy]
- is there a break even point? ideal where don't risk seizure but get people to comprehend more
- 21:05:10 [wendy]
- like fast reading techniques. there is a break point.
- 21:06:36 [wendy]
- (something like) one music video had over 600 violations in 3 minutes (?)
- 21:06:49 [rscano]
- Spice Girls :)
- 21:07:08 [wendy]
- instance of one music video that was broadcast that caused seizures
- 21:07:29 [wendy]
- there are lawsuits in the US against gaming companies. these could pressure adoption of guidelines
- 21:07:38 [wendy]
- what if someone has a seizure? what are the dangers? what to do?
- 21:08:02 [wendy]
- the most common type of seizure is "tonic planic" (?)
- 21:08:10 [wendy]
- person goes stiff and fall to ground and jerk.
- 21:08:41 [wendy]
- period where stop breathing. constriction of muscles may cause various effects.
- 21:08:59 [wendy]
- biting tongue, sound, etc.
- 21:09:14 [wendy]
- may come out of seizure w/in 5 minutes but not know what happened.
- 21:09:23 [wendy]
- slowly gain recover of memory up to point of seizure.
- 21:09:34 [wendy]
- feel tired then sleep afterwards. after come round be confused.
- 21:10:08 [wendy]
- if see someone in a seizure, put them in recovery position. like fetal position: lying on side w/knees near chest, heads facing down to surface lying on (to keep airway clear)
- 21:11:13 [wendy]
- may be confused and may feel threatened.
- 21:11:26 [wendy]
- that is most common.
- 21:11:47 [wendy]
- next: absense - they just go absent. they will glaze off, stare into space.
- 21:12:10 [wendy]
- s/tonic planic/tonic-plonic
- 21:12:34 [wendy]
- myclonic: jerk
- 21:12:44 [wendy]
- primary 3 types of seizures. best response is to observe.
- 21:14:22 [m3mSEA]
- s/tonic-plonic/tonic-clonic/
- 21:14:26 [bcaldwell]
- http://www.crsltd.com/
- 21:14:45 [bcaldwell]
- http://www.hardingfpa.co.uk/
- 21:15:10 [wendy]
- http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/
- 21:16:10 [bengt]
- wendy: the url: http://www.epilepsytoronto.org/people/eaupdate/vol9-3.html
- 21:16:37 [rscano]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 21:16:48 [Zakim]
- rscano, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
- 21:17:24 [wendy]
- documented cases of computer causing seizure?
- 21:17:46 [wendy]
- yes. but in the UK, far less than w/tv.
- 21:17:59 [wendy]
- more experimental use of visual material is beginning to push this up.
- 21:18:04 [wendy]
- suspect this will change.
- 21:18:51 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "Have websites (without games) been known to cause seizures?"
- 21:19:25 [wendy]
- supplement to epilepsia (international journal) about video game or electronic screen game seizures.
- 21:19:32 [wendy]
- more related to crt monitors than lcds
- 21:19:45 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:19:45 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 21:19:49 [wendy]
- zakiack Yvette
- 21:19:52 [wendy]
- ack Yvette
- 21:19:52 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "Have websites (without games) been known to cause seizures?"
- 21:20:36 [wendy]
- CBC
- 21:23:43 [rscano]
- q+ say "what about Macromedia Flash animations inside web sites?"
- 21:24:40 [rscano]
- q+ to say "what about Macromedia Flash animations inside web sites? These could be dangerous also because these can contain games"
- 21:25:01 [m3mSEA]
- q+
- 21:25:12 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:25:12 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 21:25:35 [wendy]
- ack Roberto
- 21:25:35 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano, you wanted to say "what about Macromedia Flash animations inside web sites? These could be dangerous also because these can contain games"
- 21:26:06 [m3mSEA]
- q-
- 21:26:14 [wendy]
- nothing inherent w/Flash, but could write content that could cause seizures.
- 21:26:50 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Roberto_Scano
- 21:26:50 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano should now be muted
- 21:26:50 [rscano]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 21:26:58 [rscano]
- thank u wendy
- 21:27:00 [wendy]
- q?
- 21:27:01 [Zakim]
- rscano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kerstin (4%)
- 21:30:35 [wendy]
- how much communication is done w/people who have PSE about using a patch?
- 21:30:56 [wendy]
- known in the UK (as a technique)
- 21:31:20 [wendy]
- referred to in medical textbooks, but that doesn't necessarily help the patients.
- 21:32:09 [wendy]
- amongst medics, probably well known internationally. but, how to get the info out to patients?
- 21:32:18 [bengt]
- should be in our guideline ?
- 21:33:38 [wendy]
- would be great if someplace that when look up "photo sensitive epilepsy" you get something about "info for people who are photo sensitive"
- 21:33:48 [wendy]
- ie..: view tv from a distance, in a well-lit room.
- 21:34:02 [wendy]
- in prescence of flicker, cover one eye (don't close eyes)
- 21:34:04 [wendy]
- etc
- 21:34:50 [wendy]
- some people might hear diagnosis from doctor, but won't also find out about assistive technology.
- 21:35:03 [wendy]
- (happens w/a variety of conditions)
- 21:35:05 [Zakim]
- -Andi
- 21:38:28 [wendy]
- q?
- 21:38:31 [wendy]
- ack kerstin
- 21:40:21 [Zakim]
- -Cynthia_Shelly
- 21:40:37 [wendy]
- meeting adjourned
- 21:40:37 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin
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- -Avi_Arditti
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- -Yvette_Hoitink
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- -Roberto_Scano
- 21:42:49 [rscano]
- bye
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- 21:44:16 [rellero]
- bye
- 21:44:24 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 21:44:59 [bengt]
- thank you for all information about PSE
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- -Jibari
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- -m3mSEA
- 21:45:54 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
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- 21:46:09 [bengt]
- bye
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- bye
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