IRC log of simile on 2003-06-27

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16:07:28 [RRSAgent]
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16:07:32 [Zakim]
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16:07:37 [em-scribe]
zakim, who is her?
16:07:37 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, em-scribe.
16:07:38 [em-scribe]
zakim, who is here?
16:07:38 [Zakim]
sorry, em-scribe, I don't know what conference this is
16:07:39 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Zakim, RRSAgent, JasonKinner, kevins2, Rob, AndyS, em-scribe
16:07:48 [em-scribe]
arrg... not a w3c call
16:08:17 [em-scribe]
what are the hdl parameters?
16:08:26 [em-scribe]
pointer?
16:08:44 [kevins2]
jason, status update
16:08:46 [em-scribe]
oh! joseki query.. very nice :)
16:08:56 [em-scribe]
more pointers please! :)
16:09:34 [kevins2]
jason, current work based on 1.0.1 of Dspace
16:09:51 [kevins2]
jason, I'm on ipssources now
16:10:14 [AndyS]
Joseki preview (supplied only yesterday) for Jason has inference support
16:10:18 [kevins2]
jason, no visibility of simile project however.
16:10:38 [kevins2]
action Rob to add Jason to simile
16:10:55 [kevins2]
john, cnri debrief
16:10:56 [em-scribe]
very nice :)
16:12:13 [kevins2]
john, cnri presented handles and object repository systems
16:12:38 [kevins2]
john, we also presented some of the simile background to cnri
16:12:56 [JasonKinner]
Pointer to history design document follows.
16:12:59 [JasonKinner]
http://web.mit.edu/simile/www/resources/history-harmony/history-design.pdf
16:14:04 [em-scribe]
thanks JasonKinner... trying to the hdl part of this and listen to conversation at same time
16:14:16 [kevins2]
kenzie, q: should we be having a stronger relationship with cnri?
16:14:30 [kevins2]
kenzie, q: overlap between DOI and Simile?
16:15:00 [em-scribe]
i also dont understand this question?
16:15:23 [Rob]
thanks for scribing, kevin
16:15:35 [kevins2]
john, strong point from meetings -- application and policy and governance layer is distrinct from handle layer
16:16:17 [em]
to clarify slightly... DOI is an application and policy and governance layer is that can be viewed distrinct from handle layer
16:16:17 [AndyS]
(David Karger joins phone conference)
16:16:21 [kevins2]
dk joins
16:17:02 [em]
is anyone other than DOI useing the handle system?
16:18:05 [em]
q+
16:18:06 [kevins2]
kenzie, simile is duplicating ...
16:20:16 [kevins2]
john, dspace doesn't need doi. It is the policy/governance which is of concern, not the technical capabilities of the DOI API.
16:20:34 [kevins2]
john, governance may not even be appropriate to dspace.
16:22:27 [Rob]
kevin: can't see anything Handles can do that DNS can't
16:23:54 [AndyS]
Handles provide a point of indirection at the individual object level
16:24:39 [AndyS]
They could have used more of DNS for the authorities but the object-level is not matched to DNS's ability
16:24:42 [kevins2]
john, whether or not there is a DOI ecosystem, shoudl not impact whether or not simile uses handle system
16:25:08 [kevins2]
john, the set of services is othogonal between DOI and simile -- there are other worlds to consider as well.
16:25:26 [kevins2]
john, using handle system must be an independent decision.
16:26:09 [kevins2]
john, not just indirection -- also type value pairing
16:26:52 [kevins2]
dk, two questions? can we resolve handles? do we use handles for our own data?
16:26:52 [em]
q?
16:27:15 [em]
ack em
16:27:28 [AndyS]
Process: How long do we want to spend on this? Its interesting but not necessarily terminating in 30 mins :-)
16:28:01 [kevins2]
rob, table this discussion
16:28:28 [kevins2]
rob, john, please summarize to the list
16:28:36 [kevins2]
john, action accepted
16:28:46 [AndyS]
16:28:58 [kevins2]
rob, relevant tech doc update
16:29:09 [kevins2]
rob, restructuring document
16:29:16 [kevins2]
rob, will send out later today for comment
16:29:35 [kevins2]
rob, identifying areas of non-concensus
16:30:34 [kevins2]
eric, chandler update
16:31:06 [kevins2]
eric, mitch kapur came to speak to w3c, lcs, and gave presentation on chandler
16:31:41 [kevins2]
eric, Chander is a PIM, w/ 3 components -- wxwindows, python, + rdf
16:32:32 [kevins2]
eric, also talked to haystack the next morning.
16:32:50 [em]
http://osafoundation.org/
16:33:44 [kevins2]
eric, in simile context -- university setting with Chandler -- chandler is normally p2p, but can synch up with groupware
16:34:06 [kevins2]
eric, testing the notion of university setting for chandler, is currently being explored.
16:34:14 [kevins2]
eric, discussed rdf interfaces, etc.
16:34:41 [kevins2]
eric, notion of simile like apps, providing a server to interface with chandler clients
16:35:12 [kevins2]
eric, simple apis of Josecki, http-get, rdf data back is an appealing model
16:35:42 [kevins2]
eric, in future explore requirements or use cases, dissemmination to chandler.
16:36:35 [kevins2]
eric, follow link above to get an idea of chandler.
16:37:32 [kevins2]
dk, chandler + haystack discussed similarities to haystack -- likely value on creating a job for someone to polish haystack UI
16:37:44 [kevins2]
dk, looking for good UI developer.
16:38:25 [kevins2]
dk, use haystack to manipulate chandler model, but need rdf to be exposed more completely.
16:38:33 [kevins2]
dk, ongoing discussions.
16:38:39 [kevins2]
EOF
16:38:57 [kevins2]
rob, use case update tabled.
16:39:42 [kevins2]
kenzie, offsite needs one prepass at clarification and deduplication.
16:39:47 [kevins2]
kenzie, how to edit?
16:40:08 [kevins2]
rob, plain text in email.
16:40:44 [kevins2]
kenzie, have ipsources login
16:40:49 [kevins2]
kenzie, no access to simile.
16:41:06 [kevins2]
rob, action to add all PIs to simile on ipssources
16:42:04 [kevins2]
andy, need learning object from kenzie
16:42:30 [kevins2]
kenzie, will identify a learning object and determine availability
16:42:51 [em]
http://www.imsproject.org/rdf/ is examples for these resources represented in RDF/XML ... its not clear how pervasive this format is in the education community
16:43:33 [em]
http://www.imsproject.org/xml/ is examples in another XML binding ... again, i;m not sure if these are the same as whats out there in the 'wild'
16:44:39 [Rob]
kevin: can close issue 16 from use case document issue list
16:48:43 [Rob]
PIs to read relavant section (4.2.1) and get back to Kevin if there are problems
16:49:22 [Rob]
kevin: Problem is not how to express policy in RDF, easy to translate other languages to RDF -- difficulty is how to express policies about RDF
16:49:40 [Rob]
em: Will provide references for W3C access control system (based on RDF)
16:50:10 [Rob]
john: Don't know how to refer to subgraphs for policy expression -- inference or graph?
16:50:23 [em]
i'll take a look at this... http://web.mit.edu/simile/www/documents/relevantTechnologies/technologies.html#SECTION00052000000000000000
16:50:38 [kevins2]
johhn & kevin, discussed security and policy within the technology doc.
16:50:46 [kevins2]
em, will review as well.
16:52:59 [kevins2]
john, context discussion currently in the mailing list is relevant
16:54:07 [kevins2]
andy, does context include changeable information, or fixed provenance?
16:54:15 [kevins2]
john, take discussion to the list.
16:54:47 [kevins2]
em, notion of quads has nothing to do with quads.
16:54:57 [kevins2]
em, it has to do with environment and rendering.
16:56:05 [kevins2]
em, provenance, in museum sense, is evolving all the time.
16:56:18 [kevins2]
em, lots of notions
16:56:36 [kevins2]
rob, adding a section on this to tech doc.
16:57:06 [kevins2]
rob, closes.
16:57:22 [kevins2]
no meeting next Friday.
16:57:44 [em]
rsspointer?
16:57:48 [em]
rrspointer?
16:57:53 [kevins2]
?
16:57:56 [em]
rrsagent, pointer?
16:57:56 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/27-simile-irc#T16-57-56
16:59:18 [em]
http://www.w3.org/2003/06/27-simile-irc
17:06:57 [Rob]
thanks all