16:07:28 RRSAgent has joined #simile 16:07:32 Zakim has joined #simile 16:07:37 zakim, who is her? 16:07:37 I don't understand your question, em-scribe. 16:07:38 zakim, who is here? 16:07:38 sorry, em-scribe, I don't know what conference this is 16:07:39 On IRC I see Zakim, RRSAgent, JasonKinner, kevins2, Rob, AndyS, em-scribe 16:07:48 arrg... not a w3c call 16:08:17 what are the hdl parameters? 16:08:26 pointer? 16:08:44 jason, status update 16:08:46 oh! joseki query.. very nice :) 16:08:56 more pointers please! :) 16:09:34 jason, current work based on 1.0.1 of Dspace 16:09:51 jason, I'm on ipssources now 16:10:14 Joseki preview (supplied only yesterday) for Jason has inference support 16:10:18 jason, no visibility of simile project however. 16:10:38 action Rob to add Jason to simile 16:10:55 john, cnri debrief 16:10:56 very nice :) 16:12:13 john, cnri presented handles and object repository systems 16:12:38 john, we also presented some of the simile background to cnri 16:12:56 Pointer to history design document follows. 16:12:59 http://web.mit.edu/simile/www/resources/history-harmony/history-design.pdf 16:14:04 thanks JasonKinner... trying to the hdl part of this and listen to conversation at same time 16:14:16 kenzie, q: should we be having a stronger relationship with cnri? 16:14:30 kenzie, q: overlap between DOI and Simile? 16:15:00 i also dont understand this question? 16:15:23 thanks for scribing, kevin 16:15:35 john, strong point from meetings -- application and policy and governance layer is distrinct from handle layer 16:16:17 to clarify slightly... DOI is an application and policy and governance layer is that can be viewed distrinct from handle layer 16:16:17 (David Karger joins phone conference) 16:16:21 dk joins 16:17:02 is anyone other than DOI useing the handle system? 16:18:05 q+ 16:18:06 kenzie, simile is duplicating ... 16:20:16 john, dspace doesn't need doi. It is the policy/governance which is of concern, not the technical capabilities of the DOI API. 16:20:34 john, governance may not even be appropriate to dspace. 16:22:27 kevin: can't see anything Handles can do that DNS can't 16:23:54 Handles provide a point of indirection at the individual object level 16:24:39 They could have used more of DNS for the authorities but the object-level is not matched to DNS's ability 16:24:42 john, whether or not there is a DOI ecosystem, shoudl not impact whether or not simile uses handle system 16:25:08 john, the set of services is othogonal between DOI and simile -- there are other worlds to consider as well. 16:25:26 john, using handle system must be an independent decision. 16:26:09 john, not just indirection -- also type value pairing 16:26:52 dk, two questions? can we resolve handles? do we use handles for our own data? 16:26:52 q? 16:27:15 ack em 16:27:28 Process: How long do we want to spend on this? Its interesting but not necessarily terminating in 30 mins :-) 16:28:01 rob, table this discussion 16:28:28 rob, john, please summarize to the list 16:28:36 john, action accepted 16:28:46 16:28:58 rob, relevant tech doc update 16:29:09 rob, restructuring document 16:29:16 rob, will send out later today for comment 16:29:35 rob, identifying areas of non-concensus 16:30:34 eric, chandler update 16:31:06 eric, mitch kapur came to speak to w3c, lcs, and gave presentation on chandler 16:31:41 eric, Chander is a PIM, w/ 3 components -- wxwindows, python, + rdf 16:32:32 eric, also talked to haystack the next morning. 16:32:50 http://osafoundation.org/ 16:33:44 eric, in simile context -- university setting with Chandler -- chandler is normally p2p, but can synch up with groupware 16:34:06 eric, testing the notion of university setting for chandler, is currently being explored. 16:34:14 eric, discussed rdf interfaces, etc. 16:34:41 eric, notion of simile like apps, providing a server to interface with chandler clients 16:35:12 eric, simple apis of Josecki, http-get, rdf data back is an appealing model 16:35:42 eric, in future explore requirements or use cases, dissemmination to chandler. 16:36:35 eric, follow link above to get an idea of chandler. 16:37:32 dk, chandler + haystack discussed similarities to haystack -- likely value on creating a job for someone to polish haystack UI 16:37:44 dk, looking for good UI developer. 16:38:25 dk, use haystack to manipulate chandler model, but need rdf to be exposed more completely. 16:38:33 dk, ongoing discussions. 16:38:39 EOF 16:38:57 rob, use case update tabled. 16:39:42 kenzie, offsite needs one prepass at clarification and deduplication. 16:39:47 kenzie, how to edit? 16:40:08 rob, plain text in email. 16:40:44 kenzie, have ipsources login 16:40:49 kenzie, no access to simile. 16:41:06 rob, action to add all PIs to simile on ipssources 16:42:04 andy, need learning object from kenzie 16:42:30 kenzie, will identify a learning object and determine availability 16:42:51 http://www.imsproject.org/rdf/ is examples for these resources represented in RDF/XML ... its not clear how pervasive this format is in the education community 16:43:33 http://www.imsproject.org/xml/ is examples in another XML binding ... again, i;m not sure if these are the same as whats out there in the 'wild' 16:44:39 kevin: can close issue 16 from use case document issue list 16:48:43 PIs to read relavant section (4.2.1) and get back to Kevin if there are problems 16:49:22 kevin: Problem is not how to express policy in RDF, easy to translate other languages to RDF -- difficulty is how to express policies about RDF 16:49:40 em: Will provide references for W3C access control system (based on RDF) 16:50:10 john: Don't know how to refer to subgraphs for policy expression -- inference or graph? 16:50:23 i'll take a look at this... http://web.mit.edu/simile/www/documents/relevantTechnologies/technologies.html#SECTION00052000000000000000 16:50:38 johhn & kevin, discussed security and policy within the technology doc. 16:50:46 em, will review as well. 16:52:59 john, context discussion currently in the mailing list is relevant 16:54:07 andy, does context include changeable information, or fixed provenance? 16:54:15 john, take discussion to the list. 16:54:47 em, notion of quads has nothing to do with quads. 16:54:57 em, it has to do with environment and rendering. 16:56:05 em, provenance, in museum sense, is evolving all the time. 16:56:18 em, lots of notions 16:56:36 rob, adding a section on this to tech doc. 16:57:06 rob, closes. 16:57:22 no meeting next Friday. 16:57:44 rsspointer? 16:57:48 rrspointer? 16:57:53 ? 16:57:56 rrsagent, pointer? 16:57:56 See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/27-simile-irc#T16-57-56 16:59:18 http://www.w3.org/2003/06/27-simile-irc 17:06:57 thanks all