IRC log of webont on 2003-04-03
Timestamps are in UTC.
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- 15:13:41 [DanC]
- Zakim, this will be WEBO
- 15:13:41 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, DanC
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- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:29:11 [Zakim]
- sorry, jjc, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see jjc, Zakim, RRSAgent, logger, DanC
- 15:29:21 [jjc]
- Zakim, what's the time?
- 15:29:21 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, jjc.
- 15:29:51 [DanC]
- conference starts in 90min, jjc
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- Zakim, this will be WEBO
- 15:29:59 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, DanC
- 15:30:07 [jjc]
- logger, pointer
- 15:30:07 [logger]
- See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/webont/2003-04-03#T15-30-07
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- Zakim, this is webo
- 16:59:55 [Zakim]
- ok, jjc
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- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:00:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, ??P10, [EDS]
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- +Tim_Finin
- 17:00:16 [jjc]
- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:00:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, ??P10 (muted), [EDS], Tim_Finin
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- +[UMD]
- 17:00:25 [jjc]
- Zakim, ?P10 is jjc
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- sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P10'
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- +DanC
- 17:00:30 [jjc]
- Zakim, ??P10 is jjc
- 17:00:30 [Zakim]
- +jjc; got it
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- +??P16
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- + +1.801.756.aaaa
- 17:01:04 [jhendler]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:01:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, jjc, [EDS], Tim_Finin, [UMD], DanC, ??P16, +1.801.756.aaaa
- 17:01:06 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jhendler, timfinin, jjc, Zakim, RRSAgent, logger, DanC
- 17:01:13 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: 3Apr http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/. chair: JimH. scribe: ?
- 17:01:14 [jhendler]
- zakim, [umd] is jimH
- 17:01:14 [Zakim]
- +jimH; got it
- 17:01:18 [Zakim]
- +Mike_Dean
- 17:01:30 [jjc]
- Zakim, ??P16 is herman
- 17:01:30 [Zakim]
- +herman; got it
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- +??P33
- 17:01:43 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: 3Apr http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/. chair: JimH. scribe: JeremyC
- 17:01:50 [jjc]
- Zakim, Tim_Finin is heflin
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- +heflin; got it
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- DeborahMc has joined #webont
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- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:02:03 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, jjc, [EDS], heflin, jimH, DanC, herman, +1.801.756.aaaa, Mike_Dean, ??P33
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- Zakim, aaaa is pfps
- 17:02:24 [Zakim]
- +pfps; got it
- 17:02:28 [jjc]
- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:02:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, jjc, [EDS], heflin, jimH, DanC, herman, pfps, Mike_Dean, ??P33
- 17:02:30 [DanC]
- Zakim, where is 801?
- 17:02:30 [Zakim]
- North American dialing code 1.801 is Utah
- 17:03:13 [jjc]
- Zakim, help
- 17:03:13 [Zakim]
- Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
- 17:03:15 [Zakim]
- Some of the commands I know are:
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- xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
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- if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
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- xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
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- I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
- 17:03:24 [Zakim]
- xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
- 17:03:26 [Zakim]
- xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
- 17:03:28 [Zakim]
- who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
- 17:03:30 [Zakim]
- who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
- 17:03:32 [Zakim]
- mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
- 17:03:34 [Zakim]
- unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
- 17:03:36 [Zakim]
- is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
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- list conferences - reports the active conferences
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- this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
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- excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
- 17:03:41 [Zakim]
- I last learned something new on $Date: 2003/03/30 15:50:42 $
- 17:04:40 [jjcscribe]
- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:04:40 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, jjc, [EDS], heflin, jimH, DanC, herman, pfps, Mike_Dean, ??P33
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- +Leo
- 17:05:03 [jhendler]
- zakim, ?p33 is McGuinness
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- sorry, jhendler, I do not recognize a party named '?p33'
- 17:05:24 [jjcscribe]
- Zakim, [eds] is Mike_Smith
- 17:05:24 [Zakim]
- +Mike_Smith; got it
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- +Ian_Horrocks
- 17:05:55 [jjcscribe]
- Zakim, ??P4 is finin
- 17:05:55 [Zakim]
- +finin; got it
- 17:06:14 [jjcscribe]
- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:06:14 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see finin, jjc, Mike_Smith, heflin, jimH, DanC, herman, pfps, Mike_Dean, ??P33, Leo, Ian_Horrocks
- 17:06:24 [jjcscribe]
- Zakim, ??P33 is McGuiness
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- +McGuiness; got it
- 17:06:27 [jjcscribe]
- Zakim, who's on the call?
- 17:06:27 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see finin, jjc, Mike_Smith, heflin, jimH, DanC, herman, pfps, Mike_Dean, McGuiness, Leo, Ian_Horrocks
- 17:06:40 [IanH]
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- regrets in e-mail log
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- Minutes accepted, with amendment.
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Mar/0273.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Mar/0276.html
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- No agenda amendments.
- 17:09:00 [jjcscribe]
- 1.4 Next telecon
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- conflicts with DAML meeting, but telecon going ahead anyway
- 17:09:26 [jjcscribe]
- 1.5 Last Call announcement and distribution update
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- See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Apr/0002.html
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- Sent to DAML lists, seweb, ontoweb
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- Sent to omg, fipa
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- (fipa??)
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- (i.e. maybe it wasn't sent to fipa)
- 17:12:08 [jjcscribe]
- Announcements should assume that people have already been revieiwing WDs
- 17:12:23 [jjcscribe]
- continue ACTION Danc on I18N
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- ACTION: Patel-Schneider to work on proof for issue 5.26 B1,B2
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- Patel-Schneider to work on proof for issue 5.26 B1,B2
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- ACTION Patel-Schneider B.1 B.2 - by 17th April
- 17:14:10 [jjcscribe]
- Heflin action continued
- 17:15:26 [jjcscribe]
- ACTION connolly look into redirects to fix semantic linking problem
- 17:16:57 [DanC]
- (there's an epsilon (<24hrs) after the spec is publised in /TR/ when we can fix little problems. that epsilon has passed. I think a redirect is still feasible.)
- 17:17:34 [jjcscribe]
- 2.0 Discussion of Last Call Comment Handling
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- 2.0 Discussion of Last Call Comment Handling
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- 2.0 Discussion of Last Call Comment Handling
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- 2. Discussion of LC Comment Handling
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- Hendler is about to send a memo
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- after telecon.
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- jimh: there are now strict process rules about making changes
- 17:19:22 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: take care that public comments list is not place for discussion of issues
- 17:19:39 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: discussion should take place on wg list or public list
- 17:21:27 [jjcscribe]
- danc: discussion between authorized representatives of the WG and commentors should take place on comments list
- 17:21:58 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: do not refer to commentators as idiots on webont list
- 17:22:31 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: at least one editor of each doc should be reading the public comments list
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- jimh: when comment on single doc arrives
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- editor can: (a) explain how the issue is already addressed by document(s)
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- answer goes to commentator and public comments list
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- This is for issues that do not change document
- 17:24:08 [DanC]
- (I think it works better if [closed] goes at the end of the subject line, but I've only tested [closed] at the beginning)
- 17:24:13 [DanC]
- s/works/looks/
- 17:24:16 [jjcscribe]
- Once the commentator agrees that the issue has been addressed, we send a msg with [closed] at the beginining
- 17:25:25 [jjcscribe]
- Case (b) requires an editorial change to the document without WG discussion
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- then the editor asks the chair to confirm this is an editorial fix and we are in case (a) more or less
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- Case (c) is when the issue is substantive which may effect other documents
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- or test cases then
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- the editor asks the chairs to add the issue to a WG agenda
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- pfps understanding (start)
- 17:27:56 [jjcscribe]
- pfps: if some changes to the wording without changing meaning
- 17:28:11 [jjcscribe]
- pfps: sends msg to the WG suggesting this change
- 17:28:40 [jjcscribe]
- pfps: if change required is a change to the meaning then
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- pfps: more discussion is needed
- 17:29:57 [jjcscribe]
- pfps: distinction is any fool would do it this way or not
- 17:30:08 [jjcscribe]
- danc: is it observable in tests or code
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- end pfps monologue
- 17:31:09 [jjcscribe]
- danc: please add difference lists in an appendix
- 17:31:27 [jjcscribe]
- danc: if we want to change any bytes we have to detail our diffs
- 17:31:46 [jjcscribe]
- mike_smith: a change log since last release
- 17:32:46 [jjcscribe]
- danc: maybe two lists bigger changes and minor changes
- 17:33:56 [jjcscribe]
- discussion of spelling corrections typos etc
- 17:35:23 [jjcscribe]
- danc: If any bytes change then a msg must come to the WG
- 17:35:56 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: if many documents then leave it alone or put something to the WG
- 17:37:07 [jjcscribe]
- danc: if the reply can be of the form "does this section of the spec answer your question?"
- 17:37:15 [jjcscribe]
- danc: then do it, if not don't
- 17:37:59 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: chairs might reply
- 17:38:29 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: chairs might fix and close issues without any bytes changing
- 17:39:46 [jjcscribe]
- danc asked mcguiness are you well-equipped to handle comments?
- 17:39:51 [jjcscribe]
- mcguiness: yes
- 17:39:59 [jjcscribe]
- mike-smith: yes
- 17:40:03 [jjcscribe]
- mike-dean: yes
- 17:42:23 [DanC]
- webreq@w3.org cc connolly@w3.org
- 17:42:33 [jjcscribe]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/12/open-issues?ml=public-webont-comments&range=1&realm=Public
- 17:42:39 [jjcscribe]
- Danc presents issue tracker
- 17:43:06 [jjcscribe]
- For now mailing list URIs are the issue identifiers
- 17:46:07 [jjcscribe]
- danc makes case for process
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- jimh: connolly will be enforcer
- 17:48:31 [jjcscribe]
- pfps: editors drafts
- 17:48:58 [jjcscribe]
- danc: we want review of last call documents, not an editors draft
- 17:50:08 [jjcscribe]
- danc: we can have editors drafts if we take appropriate care
- 17:51:05 [jjcscribe]
- discussion of whetehr WG webpage points to editors draft
- 17:51:50 [jjcscribe]
- mcguiness I would like reviewers to see editors draft
- 17:51:56 [jjcscribe]
- danc: no the right doc is the LC draft
- 17:52:10 [jjcscribe]
- mike_smith: guide
- 17:52:30 [jjcscribe]
- (no issue)
- 17:53:10 [jjcscribe]
- jjc: test cases is an exception
- 17:53:48 [jjcscribe]
- pfps: there is a risk with any link from the homepage
- 17:54:24 [jjcscribe]
- mike_smith: the editors draft should say on second line beneath title - don't read this, read the LC
- 17:56:36 [jjcscribe]
- Discussion of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/
- 17:57:53 [jjcscribe]
- ACTION: all-editors Add second line to editors draft.
- 17:58:18 [jjcscribe]
- Yes I will exapnd in the minutes
- 17:59:14 [jjcscribe]
- Early comments should be resent
- 17:59:37 [DanC]
- in a pinch, it's OK for WG memebers to forward outstanding comments on behalf of commentors
- 18:02:19 [jjcscribe]
- DanC: WG should sent comments to the WG list not the comment list
- 18:02:42 [jjcscribe]
- JimH: we do want to hear of bugs from WG members
- 18:03:11 [jjcscribe]
- jimh: to WG list
- 18:03:45 [jjcscribe]
- 3.0 BRIEF Discussion of reworking of Guide for "cultural" issues
- 18:05:09 [jjcscribe]
- ACTION mike-smith use more of the food examples in the text, and fewer wine examples
- 18:05:48 [jjcscribe]
- s/fewer/to augment/
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- mcguiness: ontologies will not change
- 18:06:22 [jjcscribe]
- smith: replacements will be identical constructs
- 18:09:24 [jjcscribe]
- action jeffh change firstname/lastname to email in requirements
- 18:09:30 [jjcscribe]
- Adjourned
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- -Mike_Smith
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- -finin
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- -heflin
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- -pfps
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- -Leo
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- -jjc
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- -jimH
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- -Ian_Horrocks
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- -Mike_Dean
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- -DanC
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- -herman
- 18:10:29 [Zakim]
- -McGuiness
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- SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended
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