### Log session started at Thu Mar 13 11:52:20 2003 ### [11:52:20] reagle [reagle@18.29.0.27] has joined #ietf [11:52:20] Channel was created at Thu Mar 13 10:46:15 2003 [11:52:20] Channel synchronized in 0.181 seconds [11:59:18] Allison Mankin , Transport [11:59:21] Joseph Reagle, W3C [11:59:50] Scott Bradner, Transport [12:00:43] Leslie Daigle [12:00:48] Larry Masinter [12:01:11] Ned Freed [12:02:26] Martin Duerst, W3C [12:02:36] Tim Berners-Lee, W3C [12:05:22] Ned is on Draft 4, but Leslie has not review [12:05:59] Allison looked at it [12:06:03] Draft 4 of update to RFC2048. [12:06:07] Ned some comments, but very minor on disclaimer language [12:06:14] will bring up on IESG meeting on Sunday [12:06:28] then will last call it [12:07:19] Reagle can reflect resolution on draft naming in policy. [12:07:59] Martin, I tried this before but Patrick said no. [12:08:16] Scott, precedence wise the ITU has done the same. [12:08:39] Allison, don't recall a clear resolution Scott. [12:09:52] these things are sent to id-editor... [12:09:59] Allison: Leslie, didn't we discuss this. [12:10:06] Leslie: don't recall resolution. [12:10:58] ACTION: (reassign) Allison, bring up at IESG [12:11:58] agenda+ current staus of W3C IPR policy. [12:11:58] Zakim notes agendum 1 added [12:12:47] w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org 's host server moved from U of Tenn to IETF secretariet [12:12:53] problem should be reported there. [12:14:17] ACTION: Ned, will investigate private archiving. [12:14:22] Question to the group... is the mailing list archived, and do we want it to be publicly? [12:15:27] Timbl: public-ietf list where there is public discussion. [12:15:46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ietf-w3c/2002Dec/ [12:17:21] Asking IANA to maintain tidy URIs [12:17:38] make it avialble and not move [12:17:43] Masinter: advance this as a BCP [12:17:51] Ned: don't have a problem with this in pricnple [12:18:01] uri of draft? [12:18:13] Freed: I can sit down with Michelle/IANA and see what she says. [12:18:55] Next week. [12:19:05] ACTION Ned: will talk next week. [12:19:13] IAB needs to be in on that chat. [12:20:09] Action Ned Freed: report back from IANA and IAB [12:20:47] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-00.txt [12:20:57] Reagle, raised question on endorsement question. [12:21:54] discussion on ietf-822 about this. [12:22:09] someone: not sure which lists its happening on. [12:22:20] ietf-822@imc.org [12:22:59] http://www.imc.org/ietf-822/index.html [12:23:31] Martin: W3C has xpointer in Proposed REC, looking at consequences of going to REC for RFC3023 [12:24:23] XML Core WG should take on the responsibility of updating that registration (text/xml, application/xml) [12:24:48] ... and the +xml convention types [12:25:12] ... do an update addressing fragment identifiers in the context of the IETF [12:25:34] Masinter; ?xml-mediatype-mime@imc? should be notified. [12:26:07] ... should be used for discussion of the update [12:26:33] Duerst: but these registrations should end up in the XML specification itself [12:27:02] Masinter: 3023 not only includes the registry details but BCP guidelines for similar registrations [12:27:13] Duerst: split 3023 into two parts. [12:28:13] ... one for the BCP, the xml details. [12:28:18] Reagle: so still a work in progress. [12:28:50] Berners-Lee: we need to figure out which version of the XML spec and such. [12:29:52] The Larry: It is good to have an RFC which explains that the registration has moved - a pointer to close off the statndards series. [12:29:57] Masinter: text/html a short RFC that said the new version exists at the W3C [12:30:51] Masinter: if they w3c xml core plans to update it, they should take it all on. [12:31:17] Masinter: would like to see W3C own both parts. [12:31:47] ACTION Martin: send an email with a plan for revising the document. [12:32:50] Scott is leaving IESG next week, and probably ISOC [12:34:01] Next IETF is July 13-18 in Vienna [12:35:02] IETF meeting July 14-18 [12:35:34] June 24 1:00 EST (Tuesday)? [12:35:50] Timbl: how about the 17th? [12:36:42] ACTION June 17 1:00-2:30 EST (Tuesday) [12:37:03] agenda+ registries XENC. [12:37:03] Zakim notes agendum 2 added [12:37:46] Reagle: status of XML Encryption? [12:38:45] Ned: was going to wait for the new process. [12:39:47] ACTION Ned: will put on IESG agenda [12:39:54] ACTION Ned: SMIL is already on agenda. [12:40:43] If the XENC doesn't have the full registry, it will be bounced. [12:41:17] Reagle: how long will this take for the long term? [12:41:33] Freed: getting the new proposal published and using the process... [12:41:40] ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi <- apparent URI of draft-reagle-xenc-mediatype status [12:42:30] Freed: Last Call the proposal today, then cut two weeks off. [12:42:36] timbl notes that having these meetings not to close before IETF is useful! [12:43:42] REagle: will this take 6-8 weeks at the end? [12:44:12] 4. Update of RFC 2396 (URI spec): Planned BOF by Larry Masinter in SFO [12:44:16] Roy Fielding is driving that. [12:44:45] different issues: update of 2396, another is the IRI discussion, formalization of process of moving new schemes. [12:45:08] ("To be discussed at the IESG Atlanta pre-meeting" <- from status of xenc mediatype) [12:45:35] Masinter: other things aren't being done though they ought to: RFC1738 had some schemes (such as file:) that needs updating, hard to get a champion to update. [12:46:32] Reagle: is it just grunt work. [12:46:49] I bet it isn't just gruntwork [12:46:58] Masinter: figuring out what's implemented, and some subleties, do we obselete gopher: (ugly puzzles) [12:47:06] Reagle: but no philosophical/religious issues? [12:47:16] Masinter: update the ones we care about and note the others are historical. [12:47:29] Timbl: is it worth it if the browsers and urllib folks present? [12:47:38] Masinter: does require some work, to round these folks up. [12:49:39] agenda+ IRI [12:49:39] Zakim notes agendum 3 added [12:49:53] agenda [12:49:57] zakim, agenda? [12:49:57] I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: [12:49:58] 1. current staus of W3C IPR policy. [from reagle] [12:49:59] 2. registries XENC. [from reagle] [12:50:00] 3. IRI [from timbl] [12:50:23] 5. IAB document on internationalization in protocol elements [12:50:36] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-char-rep-00.txt [12:51:27] Martin send email on this, Leslie cc:d and responded ... IAB needs to consider. [12:51:42] ... from a W3C point, we want to move the IRI forward so our other specs can refer to it [12:52:24] Leslie: since that discussion, Ted Hardy (on IAB and incoming APP director) did put out a draft with the general issues the IAB sees. [12:52:36] ... the document is more theoretical, could use more real examples. [12:52:53] ... remaining discussion is whether we understand/agree how the IRI relates to the IAB draft. [12:53:42] ACTION Martin: look at draft-iap-char-rep, then will talk with Ted and Leslie [12:54:27] Ted Hardie, by the way. [12:55:13] Bradner: IETF has a WG clarifying existing policy, nearly done. [12:55:41] ... in SFO question of should they be rechartered, in part to consider changes like the W3C. [12:55:52] TimBL: difficult to summary without Danny W. [12:56:10] ... huge amount of work, public review, and various petitions. [12:56:43] ... goal is to produce a REC that can be implemented without royalties. [12:57:08] ... define milestones where they should've disclosed patents so we won't have submarines. [12:59:28] Masinter: W3C membership/contractual issues. [13:00:51] Reagle: Scott should take up with Danny. 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