16:47:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #webont
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16:47:35 <jhendler> zakim, this will be webont
16:47:36 <Zakim> ok, jhendler
16:49:17 <jhendler> zakim, this will be SW_WebOnt
16:49:19 <Zakim> ok, jhendler
16:49:36 <jhendler> RRSAgent, pointer
16:49:36 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2003/02/27-webont-irc#T16-49-36
16:51:46 <jhendler> jhendler has changed the topic to: Webont WG telecon, Feb 27 2003, chair:hendler, scribe:baget
16:52:42 <jhendler> RRSAgent, agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Feb/0391.html
16:52:42 <jhendler> I'm logging. I don't understand 'agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Feb/0391.html', jhendler.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:55:30 <jhendler> agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Feb/0391.html
16:55:40 <jhendler> zakim, the agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Feb/0391.html
16:55:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'the agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Feb/0391.html', jhendler
16:57:01 <jhendler> agenda+ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Feb/0391.html
16:57:22 <nmg> nmg has joined #webont
16:57:31 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM matches both webont and SW_WebOnt
16:58:49 <ora> ora has joined #webont
17:00:38 <pfps> pfps has joined #webont
17:01:06 <pfps> zakim, ??P5 is pfps
17:01:07 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '??P5'
17:01:25 <IanH> IanH has joined #webont
17:01:35 <pfps> zakim, ??p5 is pfps
17:01:36 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '??p5'
17:02:02 <jhendler> zakim, I am [umd]
17:02:03 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not see a party named '[umd]'
17:02:09 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:02:10 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:02:10 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:11 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:02:21 <jhendler> zakim, this is SW_Webont
17:02:22 <Zakim> ok, jhendler
17:02:26 <pfps> zakim, ??P5 is pfps
17:02:27 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
17:02:27 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:02:29 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:02:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeromeE, ??P1, M_Smith, pfps, ??P7, ??P8, +39.058.689.aaaa, ??P10, ??P11, ??P13, Ian_Horrocks, [UMD], Evan_Wallace
17:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:02:33 <jjc> jjc has joined #webont
17:02:40 <jhendler> zakim, I am [umd]
17:02:41 <Zakim> ok, jhendler, I now associate you with [UMD]
17:02:43 <Zakim> +Tim_Finin
17:02:55 <jhendler> zakim, tim_finin is JeffH
17:02:56 <Zakim> +JeffH; got it
17:03:03 <Zakim> +??P20
17:03:04 <Zakim> +??P21
17:03:09 <jjc> Zakim, who is speaking?
17:03:14 <jhendler> zakim, ??p1 is jeremy
17:03:15 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
17:03:20 <Zakim> jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeromeE (29%), M_Smith (4%), ??P8 (5%), +39.058.689.aaaa (15%), [UMD] (25%), Evan_Wallace (20%), ??P21 (55%)
17:03:27 <jhendler> zakim, who is talking
17:03:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', jhendler
17:03:39 <jhendler> zakim, listen
17:03:40 <Zakim> I see Team_Ralph's(test), SW_WebOnt()12:00PM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM
17:03:47 <jjc> Zakim, temporarilly mute P21.
17:03:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'temporarilly mute P21.', jjc
17:03:58 <jhendler> zakim, mute ??p21
17:04:00 <Zakim> ??P21 should now be muted
17:04:02 <timfinin> timfinin has joined #webont
17:04:16 <jhendler> zakim, who is speaking?
17:04:19 <jjc> Zakim, unmute P21.
17:04:20 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not see a party named 'P21.'
17:04:27 <Zakim> jhendler, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JeromeE (17%), jeremy (18%), M_Smith (26%), +39.058.689.aaaa (24%), [UMD] (34%)
17:04:28 <jhendler> zakim, unmute ??p21
17:04:29 <Zakim> ??P21 should no longer be muted
17:04:52 <jhendler> zakim, temporarily mute M_Smith
17:04:53 <Zakim> M_Smith should now be muted
17:04:53 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?.
17:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeromeE, jeremy, M_Smith (muted), pfps, ??P7, ??P8, +39.058.689.aaaa (muted), ??P10, ??P11, ??P13, Ian_Horrocks, [UMD], Evan_Wallace, JeffH, ??P21, ??P20
17:04:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see timfinin, jjc, IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:04:57 <mdean> mdean has joined #webont
17:05:08 <Zakim> M_Smith should now be unmuted again
17:05:18 <jjc> I am calling from +39
17:05:45 <jhendler> zakim, aaaa is jeremy
17:05:47 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
17:05:57 <jjc> I am now muted.
17:06:02 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeromeE, jeremy, M_Smith, pfps, ??P7, ??P8, jeremy.a (muted), ??P10, ??P11, ??P13, Ian_Horrocks, [UMD], Evan_Wallace, JeffH, ??P21, ??P20
17:06:05 <jhendler> zakim, JeromeE is baget
17:06:07 <Zakim> +baget; got it
17:06:22 <jhendler> zakim, temproarily mute baget
17:06:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'temproarily mute baget', jhendler
17:06:33 <jhendler> zakim, temporarily mute baget
17:06:34 <Zakim> baget should now be muted
17:06:48 <Zakim> baget should now be unmuted again
17:07:01 <JosD> JosD has joined #webont
17:07:37 <jhendler> zakim, mute baget
17:07:39 <Zakim> baget should now be muted
17:07:55 <jjc> The unmute command is 60#
17:08:17 <Zakim> +??P24
17:08:23 <baget> OK.
17:08:26 <jhendler> zakim, ??p24 is jos
17:08:27 <Zakim> +jos; got it
17:08:30 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:08:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see baget (muted), jeremy, M_Smith, pfps, ??P7, ??P8, jeremy.a (muted), ??P10, ??P11, ??P13, Ian_Horrocks, [UMD], Evan_Wallace, JeffH, ??P21, ??P20, jos
17:08:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see JosD, mdean, timfinin, jjc, IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:08:54 <jhendler> zakim, [umd] is hendler
17:08:56 <Zakim> +hendler; got it
17:09:04 <jhendler> zakim, ??p7 is ziv
17:09:06 <Zakim> +ziv; got it
17:09:12 <jhendler> zakim, ??p8 is herman
17:09:13 <Zakim> +herman; got it
17:09:21 <jhendler> zakim, jeremy.a is ora
17:09:22 <Zakim> +ora; got it
17:09:30 <jhendler> zakim, ??p10 is timF
17:09:31 <Zakim> +timF; got it
17:09:45 <jhendler> zakim, ??p11 is yassar
17:09:46 <Zakim> +yassar; got it
17:09:53 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:09:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see baget (muted), jeremy, M_Smith, pfps, ziv, herman, ora (muted), timF, yassar, ??P13, Ian_Horrocks, hendler, Evan_Wallace, JeffH, ??P21, ??P20, jos
17:09:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see JosD, mdean, timfinin, jjc, IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:10:19 <ora> zakim, unmute ora 
17:10:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute ora ', ora
17:10:23 <jhendler> zakim, ??p13 is gibbins
17:10:25 <Zakim> +gibbins; got it
17:10:37 <Zakim> +??P25
17:10:39 <jhendler> zakim, ??p21 is hori
17:10:40 <Zakim> +hori; got it
17:10:46 <jhendler> zakim, ??p25 is marwan
17:10:47 <Zakim> +marwan; got it
17:10:52 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:10:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see baget (muted), jeremy, M_Smith, pfps, ziv, herman, ora (muted), timF, yassar, gibbins, Ian_Horrocks, hendler, Evan_Wallace, JeffH, hori, ??P20, jos, marwan
17:10:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see JosD, mdean, timfinin, jjc, IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:11:06 <jjc> The unknown mute is me 
17:11:06 <Zakim> +mikeD; got it
17:11:22 <ora> I don't think I am "ora" on the phone list, since I cannot unmute myself 
17:12:37 <ora> zakim, who is here? 
17:12:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see baget (muted), jeremy, M_Smith, pfps (muted), ziv, herman, ora, timF, yassar, gibbins, Ian_Horrocks, hendler, Evan_Wallace, JeffH, hori, mikeD, jos, marwan
17:12:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see JosD, mdean, timfinin, jjc, IanH, pfps, ora, nmg, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, logger
17:12:58 <baget> Approval of Minutes of last telecon: DONE
17:13:07 <ora> I seem to be "pfps" on the phone :-) 
17:13:27 <pfps> zakim, pfps is orax
17:13:28 <Zakim> +orax; got it
17:13:33 <pfps> zakim, ora is pfps
17:13:34 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
17:13:40 <pfps> zakim, orax is ora
17:13:41 <Zakim> +ora; got it
17:15:36 <baget> Next telecon - March 13th  (note - no telecon March 6!)
17:15:41 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:15:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose herman
17:15:59 <baget> Next scrie: 
17:16:05 <baget> Herman
17:18:21 <Massimo> Massimo has joined #webont
17:18:44 <baget> Relation between RDFS and OWL Lite: Jeremy write something fopr the coordinating group
17:20:08 <baget> Which action continued ?
17:20:26 <baget> MiME type issue, OK...
17:20:51 <baget> Evan and Mike Dean to take MIME type and produce MIME type doc. CONTINUED
17:23:42 <baget> Requirements have been added laer
17:24:40 <jhendler> ACTION: pfps to send Mike S. answer re: anootation questions
17:25:03 <baget> + Requirements -
17:25:04 <baget> http://www.cse.lehigh.edu/~heflin/webont/reqdoc/
17:26:24 <jjc> q+ more on test
17:26:59 <jjc> q+ to say more on test
17:27:10 <baget> continue eviews of these documents
17:32:55 <baget> Questions
17:33:04 <baget> 1) what datatypes reasoners an handle ?
17:33:16 <baget> 2) With what datatypes can they be sound and complete ?
17:33:36 <baget> 3) Axioms required to start ?
17:35:00 <baget> Answer:
17:35:06 <baget>  datatypes implementation issue, basic inheritance mechanism enough at the moment
17:36:21 <baget> Answer 2: Contradictory with current sound and complete definition
17:38:06 <baget> 3: New axioms required for each new datatype
17:42:04 <baget> Support for date, integers ?
17:46:20 <baget> Example of sound and complete reasoner for OWL lite without datatypes. What's is status ?
17:47:54 <baget> Proposal: support primitive datatypes, but not constructed ones.
17:48:02 <Zakim> -timF
17:51:33 <jjc> http://www.w3.org/2002/03owlt/editors-draft/snapshot#consistencyChecker
17:51:38 <jhendler> ACTION: Ian will look at section 4.2.2 of Test editor's draft and propose some wording for what is expected of datatypes
17:52:51 <baget> JimH: It would be beter to go to Last Call with that problem resolved
17:53:07 <baget> good
17:53:36 <baget> 4.0 DL Syntax ISSUE
17:57:50 <baget> For the moment, is it treated as a RDF triple ? (Noise problems)
17:59:00 <baget> It should be possible to give a warning then proceed.
17:59:55 <baget> That should be reflected in the testcase doc.
18:00:53 <baget> RDF generates a warning, then behave nomally
18:01:44 <baget> Implement "Warning test"
18:03:25 <jhendler> Proposed: OWL will use the same solution for unused terms in the OWL namespace that RDF currently uses for the Rdf namespace (i.e. OWL:foober may be used in an ontology, but should generate a warning)
18:03:40 <baget> owl:foobar when foobar not known should generate a warning
18:04:14 <baget> RESOLUTION: owl:foobar when foobar not known should generate a warning
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18:32:47 <Zakim> -jeremy
18:33:02 <Zakim> -M_Smith
18:33:09 <Zakim> -mikeD
18:33:11 <Zakim> -marwan
18:33:11 <Zakim> -pfps
18:33:12 <Zakim> -JeffH
18:33:13 <Zakim> -yassar
18:33:13 <Zakim> -jos
18:33:14 <Zakim> -ora
18:33:14 <Zakim> -ziv
18:33:14 <timfinin> timfinin has left #webont
18:33:16 <jhendler> zakim, bye
18:33:16 <Zakim> -herman
18:33:18 <Zakim> Zakim has left #webont
18:33:23 <jhendler> RRSAgent, bye
18:33:24 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items:
18:33:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to send Mike S. answer re: anootation questions [1]
18:33:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/27-webont-irc#T17-24-40
18:33:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian will look at section 4.2.2 of Test editor's draft and propose some wording for what is expected of datatypes [2]
18:33:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/27-webont-irc#T17-51-38
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