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16:59:42 <jhendler> zakim, this is Web_Ontology
16:59:44 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not see a conference named 'Web_Ontology'
16:59:52 <guus> jim, I made it in time
17:00:03 <jhendler> hi guus, glad you got here
17:00:06 <pfps> zakim, ??P1 is pfps
17:00:07 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '??P1'
17:00:22 <jjc> zakim, who's on the call?
17:00:23 <pfps> zakim, ??p1 is pfps
17:00:23 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I don't know what conference this is
17:00:24 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '??p1'
17:00:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, jjc, Raphael, pfps, logger
17:00:36 <jhendler> zakim doesn't know which call we are yet
17:00:57 <pfps> zakim, this is webont
17:00:58 <Zakim> ok, pfps
17:01:05 <pfps> zakim, ??p1 is pfps
17:01:06 <Zakim> +Pfps; got it
17:01:15 <jjc> zakim, who's on the call?
17:01:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, Pfps, [UMD]
17:01:20 <Zakim> +??P35
17:01:22 <Zakim> +Tim_Finin
17:01:23 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:01:26 <Zakim> +??P36
17:01:32 <jjc> Zakim, ??p12 is Jeremy.
17:01:33 <Zakim> +Jeremy.; got it
17:01:35 <jhendler> zakim, [umd] is JimH
17:01:36 <Zakim> +JimH; got it
17:01:39 <jjc> zakim, who's on the call?
17:01:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps (muted), JimH, ??P35, Tim_Finin, Evan_Wallace, ??P36
17:01:41 <jhendler> zakim, ??p36 is raphael
17:01:43 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
17:01:55 <jhendler> zakim, ??p35 is JeffH
17:01:56 <Zakim> +JeffH; got it
17:02:01 <Zakim> +??P37
17:02:04 <guus> zakim, ??p36 Guus
17:02:05 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p36 Guus', guus
17:02:12 <jhendler> zakim, ??p37 is Jerome
17:02:13 <Zakim> +Jerome; got it
17:02:18 <jhendler> zakim, who is here
17:02:20 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:02:20 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'
17:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Tim_Finin, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome
17:02:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, jjc, Raphael, pfps, logger
17:02:58 <Zakim> +Ian_Horrocks
17:03:13 <Zakim> +PatH
17:03:46 <jjc> zakim, who's on the call?
17:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Tim_Finin, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome, Ian_Horrocks, PatH
17:03:48 <Zakim> +??P41
17:03:49 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
17:03:50 <IanH> IanH has joined #webont
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17:04:02 <jjc> zakim, help.
17:04:03 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
17:04:03 <jhendler> zakim, Tim_Finin is Guus
17:04:05 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
17:04:06 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
17:04:08 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
17:04:09 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
17:04:12 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
17:04:13 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
17:04:15 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
17:04:15 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:04:17 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
17:04:20 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
17:04:22 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (such that 60# will not work)
17:04:23 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
17:04:25 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
17:04:26 <jhendler> zakim, ??p41 is herman
17:04:28 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
17:04:29 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
17:04:31 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
17:04:32 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2003/02/06 18:49:11 $
17:04:34 <jjc> zakim, who's on the call?
17:04:34 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
17:04:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Guus, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome, Ian_Horrocks, PatH, Mike_Dean, ??P41
17:04:39 <Zakim> +Marwan_Sabbouh
17:04:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see seanb, IanH, guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, jjc, Raphael, pfps, logger
17:04:42 <Zakim> +Herman; got it
17:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Guus, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome, Ian_Horrocks, PatH, Mike_Dean, Herman, Marwan_Sabbouh
17:05:11 <mdean> mdean has joined #webont
17:05:21 <Zakim> +LynnT
17:05:23 <jhendler> regrets DanC (at TAG meeting)
17:05:51 <hth> hth has joined #webont
17:06:02 <Zakim> +??P46
17:06:16 <jhendler> zakim, ??p46 is DebMcG
17:06:18 <Zakim> +DebMcG; got it
17:06:39 <Zakim> +??P48
17:06:46 <Zakim> +[IBM]
17:06:51 <jhendler> zakim, ??p48 is ruediger
17:06:52 <Zakim> +Ruediger; got it
17:07:00 <jhendler> zakim, [ibm] is ChrisW
17:07:01 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
17:07:22 <guus> guus has joined #webont
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17:07:55 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:07:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Guus, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome, Ian_Horrocks, PatH, Mike_Dean, Herman, Marwan_Sabbouh, LynnT, DebMcG, Ruediger, ChrisW
17:07:56 <ChrisW> ChrisW has joined #webont
17:07:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see DeborahMc, guus, hth, mdean, seanb, IanH, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, baget, jjc, Raphael, pfps, logger
17:08:27 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:08:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Guus, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome, Ian_Horrocks, PatH, Mike_Dean, Herman, Marwan_Sabbouh, LynnT, DebMcG, Ruediger, ChrisW
17:08:30 <Raphael> Attendants: Jeremy., Pfps, JimH, JeffH, Guus, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Jerome, Ian_Horrocks, PatH, Mike_Dean, Herman, Marwan_Sabbouh, LynnT, DebMcG, Ruediger, ChrisW
17:08:52 <Raphael> regrets:
17:08:58 <Raphael> see list
17:10:21 <jhendler> zakim, suggest a scribe
17:10:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'suggest a scribe', jhendler
17:10:28 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:10:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Pfps
17:10:39 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:10:41 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jerome
17:10:53 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:10:55 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DebMcG
17:11:04 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:11:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ruediger
17:11:16 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:11:18 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JeffH
17:11:35 <Raphael> next scribe is jeffh
17:11:47 <jhendler> next chair is guus
17:11:49 <Raphael> guus is chair next week
17:15:53 <Raphael> no only wine to guide people
17:19:46 <Raphael> Note: We will hold editors meeting on tuesday
17:20:02 <Raphael> open to all WG members
17:20:03 <jhendler> note: open to all members of the WG who wish to attend
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17:25:16 <guus> deb, link to tech plenary is in on page for March 6-7 meeting
17:26:29 <DeborahMc> ok - followed that to: http://www.w3.org/2002/10/allgroupoverview.html
17:27:08 <DeborahMc> which has an agenda for the last plenary day (and i am guessing will have an agenda for march 5 sometime
17:27:11 <DeborahMc> thx
17:34:17 <jhendler> discussion of Raphael's review of RDF Schema document
17:34:36 <jhendler> Issue raised with section 4 - is it undercontrained?  Does it affect OWL?
17:35:34 <jhendler> raphael - the underspecification can allow multiple intepretations
17:35:46 <jhendler> pat - use, not interpretation
17:35:57 <jhendler> raphael - so doesn't that mean we have multiple semantics?
17:41:42 <Zakim> +??P2
17:42:13 <jhendler> zakim, ??p2 is yasser
17:42:14 <Zakim> +Yasser; got it
17:43:40 <Zakim> +??P3
17:43:50 <jhendler> zakim, ??p3 is jos
17:43:51 <Zakim> +Jos; got it
17:43:54 <baget>  I voluneer to review RDF conept
17:45:12 <Raphael> ACTION:; Francois RDF concepts doc review
17:45:15 <jhendler> herman reports on review of RDF Semantics - no major problems, will send to WG soon.
17:45:22 <Raphael> agenda item 4
18:14:24 <Raphael> ACTION Jeremy: Propose Resolution for changing mapping rules to handle "strong typing"
18:14:37 <Raphael> to list till next telcon
18:14:58 <Raphael> ACTION: Send draft on document for concrete syntax to Peter by Monday (Jemery)
18:15:15 <Raphael> ACTION; Pat Various Properties clarify
18:15:40 <Raphael> ACTION: Pat to propose a resoultion prior to next weeks telecon
18:16:32 <jhendler> JimH makes lots of unveiled warnings that we have to move to LC as soon as possible
18:16:48 <jhendler> Pat: are you saying risking a 2nd LC is better than risking not moving fast enough??
18:16:57 <jhendler> JimH: Absolutely!!
18:17:59 <jhendler> discussion of semantic problems with annotations
18:22:08 <jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Jan/0299.html
18:28:08 <Raphael> PPS: Calls for Motion to adjurn
18:28:49 <DeborahMc> i just received slides from ray fergeson on protege from the f2f and i will forward to chairs
18:30:16 <Raphael> ACTION: Jeremy propose resolution for annotation semantics
18:30:43 <Zakim> -Jeremy.
18:32:59 <Zakim> -Marwan_Sabbouh
18:34:20 <jjc> RESOLVED: publish Reference as a WD
18:34:31 <jhendler> RESOLVED: to publish  OVERVIEW as a WD
18:34:57 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
18:35:03 <DeborahMc> Overview has also been sent to massimo
18:35:04 <Zakim> -Yasser
18:35:06 <Zakim> -JeffH
18:35:07 <Zakim> -Ruediger
18:35:08 <Zakim> -Jerome
18:35:15 <Zakim> -LynnT
18:35:16 <Zakim> -Ian_Horrocks
18:35:18 <Zakim> -Herman
18:35:21 <Zakim> -Guus
18:36:07 <Zakim> -DebMcG
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18:47:18 <jhendler> RRSAgent, bye
18:47:18 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items:
18:47:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ; Francois RDF concepts doc review [1]
18:47:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/06-webont-irc#T17-45-12
18:47:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to Propose Resolution for changing mapping rules to handle "strong typing" [2]
18:47:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/06-webont-irc#T18-14-24
18:47:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Send draft on document for concrete syntax to Peter by Monday (Jemery) [3]
18:47:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/06-webont-irc#T18-14-58
18:47:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Pat to propose a resoultion prior to next weeks telecon [4]
18:47:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/06-webont-irc#T18-15-40
18:47:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy propose resolution for annotation semantics [5]
18:47:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/02/06-webont-irc#T18-30-16
18:47:30 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone
18:47:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', ChrisW