IRC log of rdfcore on 2003-01-31

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14:59:54 [AaronSw]
zakim, this will be rdfc
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ok, AaronSw
14:59:56 [em]
em has changed the topic to: rdfcore 2002-01-31 teleconference
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SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has now started
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15:00:32 [DaveB]
Zakim, ??P8 is ILRT
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+ILRT; got it
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Zakim, ILRT has DaveB
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+DaveB; got it
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+ +1.850.291.aaaa
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Zakim, ??p19 is bwm
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+Bwm; got it
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15:02:15 [JosD]
Zakim, ??P20 is JosD
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+JosD; got it
15:02:27 [em]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see ILRT, +1.850.291.aaaa, Bwm, JosD, EMiller
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ILRT has DaveB
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, JosD, em, DaveB, AaronSw, bwm, DanCon, logger
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15:03:16 [em]
zakim, 1.850.291.aaaa is PatH
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sorry, em, I do not recognize a party named '1.850.291.aaaa'
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zakim, +1.850.291.aaaa is PatH
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+PatH; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see ILRT, PatH, Bwm, JosD, EMiller, DanC
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ILRT has DaveB
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Zakim, ILRT has JanG
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+JanG; got it
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15:04:51 [JosD]
regrets DanB, FrankM, GrahamK
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15:05:11 [DanCon]
FYI about WebOnt pubs
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AOB from DanC
15:05:39 [em]
zakim, who is talking?
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em, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bwm (40%)
15:05:55 [DanCon]
we're likely to publish all our OWL drafts Monday. NOT last call.
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15:06:26 [DanCon]
regrets for next Fri; I'll be at a TAG ftf.
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jan volunteers
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then killed the phone ... ;)
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Volunteer Scribe next week: JanG
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15:07:05 [DaveB]
Zakim, ??P8 is ILRT
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+ILRT; got it
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zakim, +??P22 is jjc
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sorry, em, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
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===== 5: Minutes of 2003-01-24 telecon
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zakim, ??P22 is jjc
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+Jjc; got it
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Zakim, ILRT has DaveB,JanG
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+DaveB, JanG; got it
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JanG send regrets
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minutes approved
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=========== 6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
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======== 7: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
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em's action continued as well as danbris's
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========== 8: Handling last call comments.
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ack danc
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DanCon, you wanted to ask graph?
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ACTION Brian put lcc application code in CVS
15:10:59 [jang]
[if it hasn't been addressed yet - couldn't find it in last week's minutes - which document do we update as we go along?
15:11:01 [JosD]
how much editorial discretion should there be?
15:12:06 [jang]
ah, that's how you do it
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each editor keeps a list of changes
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link back to the original message
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q+ to ask [if it hasn't been addressed yet - couldn't find it in last week's minutes - which document do we update as we go along?
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editors role to bring stuff back to the group
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ack jang
15:14:39 [Zakim]
Jang, you wanted to ask [if it hasn't been addressed yet - couldn't find it in last week's minutes - which document do we update as we go along?
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ack danc
15:15:22 [JosD]
jjc: strip list in editors draft for PR and one can still look into editors draft
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15:16:41 [DaveB]
reminds me, the mime type I-D needs renewing RSN
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expires Feb sometime?
15:17:17 [JosD]
danc: these are the changes for LC and say to director they are all editorial
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(otherwise another LC)
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Zakim, who is here
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JosD, you need to end that query with '?'
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media: hm, good point
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Zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see PatH, Bwm, JosD, EMiller, DanC, PatrickS, ILRT, Jjc, AaronSw
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ILRT has DaveB, JanG
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On IRC I see jang, RRSAgent, Zakim, JosD, em, DaveB, AaronSw, bwm, DanCon, logger
15:18:09 [DaveB]
AaronSw: expires 21 Feb says
15:18:36 [DanCon]
clarification: "editorial" meaning minor, i.e. reviewers would agree "yes, my review still applies after those changes have been made"
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process handling comments via www-rdf-comments
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s/process/process of/
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no other issues
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JanG: which document to update
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bwm: new editors draft
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DanC: not a good idea, strong preference to have them in CVS
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my intention: to update the copy of TR document under rdfcore/TR/ as required, respond to queries with the diff.
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... one commit per week and the one underneath the WG directory
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... DanC prefers in place
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em: published docs were modified. ensure the REAL TR documents go under the rdfcore/TR doc
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make sure ther's an cvs up first prior to edits!
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em: make sure to checkout first
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ACTION: Brian to update the WG page link
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... to editors drafts
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============= 9: FAQ: Relationship to XML Family of specs
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... to do the update
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15:30:54 [AaronSw]
danc, we're discussing rdf and xml, not rdf and html
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bwm: there is a chartered deliverable
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* provide an account of the relationship between RDF and the XML family of technologies (particularly Schemas and Infoset/Query)
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from charter
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this will be continued
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========== 11: Comments Review
15:33:52 [DanCon]
I don't think danc-01 is ready for WG discussion. I'd prefer to continue negotiating with the editor.
15:34:15 [DaveB]
I thought we were discussing danc-02 ?
15:34:56 [DanCon]
sorry, yes, danc-02 isn't ready for WG discussion.
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======== 11: Comments Review
15:35:55 [DaveB]
this is item 10, JosD
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15:36:31 [JosD]
10:00:00 Fri Jan 31 2003 in America/New York duration 60 minutes
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which is equivalent to
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15:00:00 Fri Dec 31 2003 in Europe/London
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Phone: +1-617-761-6200 (Zakim)#7332
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irc: #rdfcore
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1: Scribe Jos this week
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2: Roll Call
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3: Review Agenda
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4: Next telecon 07 Feb 2003
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Volunteer Scribe
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5: Minutes of 2003-01-24 telecon
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6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
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ACTION: 2003-01-17#6 ericM
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publish the last call WDs and Lbase Note
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ACTION: 2003-01-24#1 jjc
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Send msg to I18N asking for relevant LC review
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15:37:00 [DaveB]
uh oh
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15:37:02 [JosD]
ACTION: 2003-01-24#2 bwm
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Send msg to XML Schema WG asking for relevant LC review
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15:37:08 [JosD]
15:37:10 [JosD]
ACTION: 2003-01-24#3 bwm
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Send msg to asking for relevant LC review
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15:37:18 [JosD]
ACTION: 2003-01-24#8 patrickS
15:37:19 [AaronSw]
logger, kick JosD
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Send msg to UAProf asking for relevant LC review
15:37:21 [logger]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'kick JosD', AaronSw. Try /msg logger help
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ACTION: 2003-01-24#9 patrickS
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Send msg to Open EBook Forum asking for relevant LC review
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ACTION: 2002-01-24#11 bwm
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send announcement to chairs list
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ACTION: 2003-01-24#12 jjc
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Send msg to XML C14N WG asking for relevant LC review
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ACTION: 2003-01-24#13 bwm
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Send msg to RDF interest asking for relevant LC review
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7: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
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2003-01-24#4 em Send msg to David of XMLP asking for relevant LC review
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2003-01-24#5 danbri Send msg to SVG asking for relevant LC review
15:38:04 [JosD]
2003-01-24#6 danbri Send msg to XHTML WG asking for relevant LC review
15:38:07 [JosD]
2003-01-24#7 danbri Send msg to RDF IG about LC
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2003-01-24#10 danbri remind RSS people to send their comments to
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8: Handling last call comments.
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Comments on comment tracking documents:
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What to do with the app source code?
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DanC suggests editors discretion to make editorial corrections
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Patrick suggests WG should review whether it considers issue editorial
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15:39:20 [jang]
jang: danc just reads out the contents of jang-01
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ACTION: to review JanG proposed text for testcases
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bwm: accepted?
15:40:20 [jang]
ok, cheers
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[jang-01] resolved with consensus
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ACTION: jang to create test case for jang-01 and send details to jos
15:43:30 [DanCon]
no, Brian, we (the WG) doesn't need to decide a disposion of every comment. Only those that raise substantive issues.
15:45:01 [DanCon]
ah... now I see what you mean by "every comment"; it's "every comment that resulted in an issue". yes, we have to decide all those.
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======= 11: Comments Review
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JanG volunteers to make weekly trawl through rdf comments and check we aren't dropping any.
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bmw: this is a big help!
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15:47:27 [bwm]
15:47:51 [AaronSw]
quoting from
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jeremy: take e.g. reagle-01
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DanC: 1. yes the dsign is goofy, but here are the 3 testcases
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DanC: 2. here is a design change
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Path: be careful here, may influence other documents
15:52:55 [DanCon]
"oh, Jeremy's only moaning at .3dB this week. We're good to go."
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15:52:59 [JosD]
========= 12: XML Schema 1.1 Requirements
15:53:09 [jang]
q+ aside, if we sort out process would a 10-point bulletted list of "this is how we successfgully ran our LC process" be helpful to the wider w3c?
15:53:40 [jang]
zakim, if you understand the nature of teh syntactic error I made then you bloody well ought to try supplying my missing punctuation. imho
15:53:41 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'if you understand the nature of teh syntactic error I made then you bloody well ought to try supplying my missing punctuation. imho', jang
15:54:44 [JosD]
Jeremy: made 2 desiderata
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Jeremy: those were made personally; asking for WG blessing; there could be a 3rd one
15:56:23 [jang]
q+ to mention that meta-issue as AOB when everything else is done (as AOB, brian)
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15:57:17 [AaronSw]
danc proposes to endorse the second comment in above
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(on first class objects)
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RESOLVED: endorse the First class objects (RQ-23)
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... with consensus
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ACTION: Jeremy to report back XML Schema 1.1 Requirements RQ-23
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