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15:01:08 <em> zakim, this is rdf
15:01:09 <Zakim> ok, em
15:01:13 <em> zakim, who is here?
15:01:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P17 (muted), ??P18, ??P19, EMiller, ??P21
15:01:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, jjc, bwm, DanCon, danbri, DaveB, logger, em
15:01:48 <DaveB> Zakim, ??P18 is probably DaveB
15:01:49 <Zakim> +DaveB?; got it
15:02:01 <em> zakim,  ??P17 is PatrickS
15:02:02 <Zakim> +PatrickS; got it
15:02:17 <bwm> Zakim, mute ??P21
15:02:19 <Zakim> ??P21 should now be muted
15:02:33 <em> zakim, ??P19 is bwm
15:02:34 <Zakim> +Bwm; got it
15:02:37 <Zakim> +Manola
15:02:43 <bwm> Zakim, unmute ??P21
15:02:44 <Zakim> ??P21 should no longer be muted
15:02:52 <em> zakim, ??P18 is DaveB
15:02:53 <bwm> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:02:53 <Zakim> sorry, em, I do not recognize a party named '??P18'
15:02:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', bwm
15:02:58 <bwm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see PatrickS (muted), DaveB?, Bwm, EMiller, ??P21, Manola
15:03:02 <em> zakim, ??P21 is SteveP
15:03:03 <Zakim> +SteveP; got it
15:03:20 <Zakim> +??P22
15:03:30 <jjc> Zakim, ??P22 is jjc.
15:03:32 <Zakim> +Jjc.; got it
15:04:14 <bwm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see PatrickS (muted), DaveB?, Bwm, EMiller, SteveP, Manola, Jjc.
15:04:21 <jjcscribe> ROLLCALL
15:04:40 <Zakim> +??P25
15:04:58 <bwm> Zakim, ??P25 is jos
15:04:59 <Zakim> +Jos; got it
15:05:13 <JosD> JosD has joined #rdfcore
15:05:39 <em> dancon, yes if you can make it for that, that would be aprpeciated
15:05:49 <jjcscribe> jos scribe next week
15:06:00 <jjcscribe> telecons now 60 mins
15:06:23 <jjcscribe> minutes OK - and approved
15:06:28 <Zakim> +DanBri
15:06:31 <danbri> dan, it's RDFC
15:06:35 <jjcscribe> actions listed as done are OK
15:07:09 <DaveB> ACTION: 2003-01-10#13 daveB
15:07:15 <Zakim> +DanC
15:07:15 <jjcscribe> ACTION: 2003-01-10#13 continued
15:07:47 <jjcscribe> 7: Tech Plenary
15:07:48 <jjcscribe> 7. Tech Plenary
15:08:04 <jjcscribe> 7 moved to end of agenda
15:08:05 <DanCon> re 7   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/meetings/tech-200303/
15:08:13 <jjcscribe> 8 moved to end of agenda
15:08:31 <jjcscribe> Email sent to P3P, XMLP, XML Schema, XLINK, URI, WAI, I18N
15:08:39 <Zakim> -DanBri
15:08:59 <jjcscribe> 9: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
15:09:01 <jjcscribe> 9: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
15:09:01 <jjcscribe> 9: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
15:09:01 <jjcscribe> Soliciting Last Call reviews - agendum
15:09:03 <Zakim> +DanBri
15:09:59 <jjcscribe> P3P review ...
15:10:12 <jjcscribe> no obvious reviewer other than bwm
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15:10:44 <danbri> zakim q+ to mention CCPP, SVG, XHTML all use RDF. should review?
15:10:55 <danbri> Zakim, q+ to mention CCPP, SVG, XHTML all use RDF. should review?
15:10:56 <Zakim> I see DanCon, Danbri on the speaker queue
15:10:58 <DaveB> SVG mentions rdf, doesn't mandate or require it
15:11:15 <jjcscribe> I18N - specific things to be read ...
15:11:22 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:11:44 <mdean> sorry i'm late
15:11:54 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc create draft of detailed paras for I18N review
15:12:11 <jjcscribe> XSD have asked what they should read
15:12:42 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm create draft of detailed paras for XML Schema WG
15:13:32 <jjcscribe> s/create draft/send/   in both of the above actions
15:13:41 <jjcscribe> UAProf
15:13:45 <DanCon> open ebook forum
15:13:49 <jjcscribe> Open Ebook Forum
15:13:59 <jjcscribe> Stickler suggests reviews from these groups
15:14:01 <DaveB> (is that XPackage? )
15:14:44 <DanCon> danbri, where's this list with a "whole bunch"?
15:15:07 <jjcscribe> bwm: highlights also need to cover non-W3C groups
15:15:19 <DaveB> I find http://www.openebook.org/ still looking for other ptrs
15:15:28 <jjcscribe> manola: WebOnt review?
15:15:43 <jjcscribe> connolly: they are commited
15:15:50 <DanCon> s/they/we/
15:16:20 <jjcscribe> XLink WG does not exist anymore - ask XML Core to look at XML Base
15:16:50 <jjcscribe> URI list ...
15:17:01 <jjcscribe> connolly suggests e-mail uri@w3.org
15:17:17 <danbri> q?
15:17:34 <jjcscribe> connolly suggests linking to earlier message from Carroll to uri@w3.org
15:18:08 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm mailto:uri@w3.org
15:18:20 <DanCon> xml core WG chair contact info is available in http://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/#Architecture
15:18:22 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm mailto:Paul.Grosso@xmlcore.w3.org
15:19:45 <DanCon> note to self: test use of RDF in SOAP before PR?
15:19:54 <bwm> ack danC
15:19:56 <Zakim> DanCon, you wanted to suggest that P3P isn't critical but I18N is
15:20:45 <jjcscribe> discussion of XHTML modularization
15:20:54 <jjcscribe> do we want to ask html wg for review
15:20:59 <DaveB> haven't we've moved off LC reviews topic?
15:21:02 <jjcscribe> also soap
15:21:18 <danbri> ok, not a problem for the RDFCore REC-track specs.
15:21:20 <DanCon> yes, daveb's point of order is well made.
15:21:30 <danbri> us as RDF folk, yeah sure absolutely.
15:22:12 <jjcscribe> are we asking XMLP for review?
15:22:15 <em> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/reviewers
15:22:22 <jjcscribe> question: can RDF be used in SOAP?
15:22:59 <bwm> q?
15:23:14 <danbri> q-
15:23:24 <danbri> q+ to mention soap CR ends today
15:23:38 <danbri> (hmm, maybe in any other business?)
15:24:15 <DanCon> ?: 4.1.1 of soap primer shows interaction with RDF
15:24:25 <jjcscribe> ACTION em Ask David of XMLP to review our specs with specific ptrs
15:24:28 <danbri> q+ to add RDFIG?
15:24:53 <DaveB> sec 4.1.1 of soap1.2 http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part0/#L26854 (http get) - not sure if that is what the ptr was
15:25:02 <jjcscribe> josd: svg
15:25:42 <jjcscribe> bwm - some specific dependencies - and people who we would like to get endorsement
15:27:10 <em> bwm, i'm willing to take agenda items 7 & 8 at any time now
15:27:50 <jjcscribe> ACTION danbri contact SVG with specific review questions
15:28:03 <jjcscribe> XHTML - RDF in XHTML
15:28:21 <DaveB> ref http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/#section-rdf-in-HTML
15:28:22 <DaveB> sec 9
15:28:50 <DaveB> lol
15:29:48 <jjcscribe> ACTION danbri contact XHTML for review specifically about (lack of) embedding
15:30:00 <jjcscribe> ACTION danbri contact RDF-IG
15:30:05 <DanCon> DanC: in particular, we don't claim to have addressed the embedding in HTML issue; we owe HTML WG right of review of our decision to postpone.
15:30:09 <bwm> q?
15:30:12 <danbri> q-
15:30:37 <jjcscribe> Now onto Non-W3C groups
15:30:50 <jjcscribe> ACTION Patrick ask UAProf to review
15:31:01 <jjcscribe> ACTION Patrick ask open ebook forum to review
15:31:12 <jjcscribe> discussion about specific questions for these groups
15:31:21 <danbri> re non-w3c groups, I could do: RSS, Mozilla, FOAF
15:31:42 <DanCon> I'd like them to contribute test cases, ala "here's how we're using RDF. Pls put this in your test suite so that when developers test their code, they'll test it on our data."
15:31:56 <jjcscribe> PatrickS: UAProf ask Art Barstow, open ebook - XPackage
15:32:40 <danbri> q+ to volunteer contacting RSS, Mozilla, FOAF
15:33:44 <jjcscribe> *all these actions need last call links !!!, and must be cc-ed to www-rdf-comments
15:33:55 <DaveB> ooh indeed
15:34:10 <jjcscribe> Item 8
15:34:27 <DanCon> hip hip...
15:34:35 <DanCon> hooray! http://www.w3.org/TR/ $Date: 2003/01/24 21:39:21 $
15:35:01 <jjcscribe> done
15:35:05 <jjcscribe> returning to item 9
15:36:18 <DanCon> does reviews page link to www-rdf-comments? (I guess I could fix)
15:36:19 <danbri> remind me url for reviewers page...?
15:36:38 <em> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/reviewers
15:37:02 <DaveB> (item 7?)
15:37:05 <jjcscribe> 10 Last Call Comments
15:37:17 <em> i wont forget agenda 7
15:37:23 <DaveB> ack
15:37:48 <jjcscribe> namespaces 1.1 had one way of showing how comments been handled
15:38:28 <DanCon> note RDF descriptions of the RDF last call specs are in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/new-tr.rdf or... hmm... should be soon.
15:38:48 <jjcscribe> one list for everyone, or one list for all docs
15:39:01 <jjcscribe> connolly: director wants to see one list
15:39:08 <jjcscribe> em: that's one list at the end
15:39:29 <jjcscribe> manola: one list allows commetns cover multiple docs
15:39:45 <bwm> q?
15:39:54 <danbri> q-
15:39:57 <jjcscribe> carroll: one list per doc, and one per multidoc, and collate all at end
15:40:23 <jjcscribe> bwm: we start with one list, maintained by bwm, if we get too many comments we think again
15:40:27 <jjcscribe> no one objects
15:40:51 <jjcscribe> We need to have discipline with incoming comments
15:41:05 <jjcscribe> One editor needs to take the lead on each comment
15:41:24 <jjcscribe> Reflect it back in different words, and we are taking it as number xxx in the issue doc
15:42:47 <jjcscribe> informational, or small typos do not go on to issue list at all
15:44:06 <jjcscribe> em: issue list should be public
15:44:11 <jjcscribe> em: and advertised
15:46:09 <DanCon> [closed] in subject
15:46:32 <DanCon> for the ones where the editors don't think the WG/chair needs to be involved
15:47:07 <DanCon> Poorman issues tracker Dominique Haza?l-Massieux (Thu, Dec 12 2002) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-tools/2002OctDec/0003.html
15:47:12 <jjcscribe> how do we cover multi-document comments?
15:47:35 <jjcscribe> bwm: if you can make a sensible response, respond.
15:48:54 <jjcscribe> we should encourage msgs that are not to comments that they should be sent to comments
15:49:06 <jjcscribe> ACTION danbri remind RSS people to send their comments to www-rdf-comments
15:49:59 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm send announcement to chairs list
15:50:47 <DanCon> member-confidential w3c-tools link above is basically just a pointer to http://www.w3.org/2002/12/open-issues
15:51:12 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc xml c14n msg
15:51:19 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm rdf-interest
15:51:58 <jjcscribe> dean and formal objections - nothing much to point yet ...
15:52:26 <jjcscribe> if mike gets something to bwm before anouncement it will get in announcement
15:52:29 <DanCon> mdean, you had an action in WebOnt to send some problematic datatypes examples... I wonder if that got dropped.
15:52:51 <jjcscribe> Topic CR exit criteria
15:53:33 <jjcscribe> DanC would like to see some integration of datatypes and real database
15:54:03 <jjcscribe> DanC integration points should be tested before PR
15:54:21 <jjcscribe> MikeD Peter Crowther indicates datatype support in Cerebra
15:56:29 <DaveB> lbase out too: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/NOTE-lbase-20030123/
15:56:36 <jjcscribe> discussion about who passes which tests
15:56:46 <jjcscribe> carroll: at least two parsers pass all the tests
15:57:06 <DaveB> sorry...
15:57:07 <jjcscribe> beckett: still unclear which announces parsers pass which tests
15:57:20 <danbri> Nice to see it out... I'll ping www-rdf-logic once the main announcment is out.
15:57:21 <DanCon> I offer a 500 point bounty for a report in EARL that a piece of software passes all (or some substantial portion of them).
15:57:31 <DaveB> my start of ptrs to syntax impl claims http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0166.html
15:58:03 <jjcscribe> ACTION bwm start draft request to advance to PR
15:58:15 <jjcscribe> ACTION em start drafting press release
15:58:21 <DaveB> q+ agenda
15:58:30 <DaveB> q-
15:58:33 <em> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/meetings/tech-200303/
15:58:40 <DanCon> ack danc
15:58:43 <jjcscribe> 7. Techplenary
15:58:51 <DaveB> a- agenda
15:58:55 <DaveB> q- agenda
15:58:59 <jjcscribe> RDF Core slot 6,7 march is now 
15:59:07 <jjcscribe> second phase of semweb activity
15:59:40 <danbri> q+ to talk about difficult of attending if not a WG meeting
15:59:41 <jjcscribe> please sign up to tech plenary selecting RDF Core
16:00:33 <em> yes, i expect that discussing the activity proposal wuold be part of this meeting
16:00:43 <jjcscribe> who cannot go withpout WG meeting?
16:00:54 <jjcscribe> some say yes
16:02:07 <jjcscribe> em: actiuvity proposal will be available
16:02:35 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:02:54 <jjcscribe> bwm: suggests labelling - joint meeting of RDFCore WG/WebOnt WG and observers and IG
16:03:16 <jjcscribe> move discussion offline
16:03:30 <jjcscribe> cheap rate at hotel runs out soon
16:04:06 <DanCon> I move to adjourn.
16:04:22 <Zakim> -PatrickS
16:04:23 <Zakim> -Jos
16:04:26 <Zakim> -DanBri
16:04:26 <Zakim> -EMiller
16:04:28 <Zakim> -Manola
16:04:28 <Zakim> -SteveP
16:04:39 <Zakim> -Bwm
16:04:41 <Zakim> -Jjc.
16:04:42 <Zakim> -DaveB?
16:04:51 <Zakim> -DanC
16:04:53 <Zakim> SW_RDFCore()10:00AM has ended
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