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16:48:44 <jhendler> zakim, this is Web_ontology
16:48:46 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not see a conference named 'Web_ontology'
16:51:43 <jhendler> zakim, this is SW_Webont
16:51:44 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not see a conference named 'SW_Webont'
16:51:56 <jhendler> zakim, this is SW_WebOnt
16:51:57 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not see a conference named 'SW_WebOnt'
16:52:55 <jhendler> zakim, list
16:52:56 <Zakim> I see no active conferences
16:53:47 <jhendler> zakim, this will be SW_WebOnt
16:53:48 <Zakim> ok, jhendler
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16:59:27 <Zakim> +??P1
16:59:44 <Zakim> +??P2
17:00:35 <Zakim> +??P3
17:00:52 <jhendler> zakim, ??p3 is jimH
17:00:53 <Zakim> +JimH; got it
17:01:11 <jhendler> jhendler has changed the topic to: Web Ontology Working group telecon - 2003-01-02
17:01:41 <jhendler> zakim, ??p3 is Mike Dean
17:01:42 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p3 is Mike Dean', jhendler
17:01:47 <Zakim> +Ian_Horrocks
17:01:48 <jhendler> zakim, ??p3 is Mike_D
17:01:49 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not recognize a party named '??p3'
17:01:50 <Zakim> +??P5
17:02:02 <jhendler> zakim, ??p1 is masahiro
17:02:03 <Zakim> +Masahiro; got it
17:02:20 <Zakim> +John_Stanton
17:02:22 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Stanton, ??P0, Masahiro, ??P2, JimH, Ian_Horrocks, ??P5
17:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see DanC, IanH, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, mdean, logger
17:03:29 <jhendler> agenda link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Jan/0002.html
17:04:05 <Zakim> +??P7
17:04:06 <Zakim> +??P8
17:04:16 <jhendler> zakim, ??p7 is hermanT
17:04:18 <Zakim> +HermanT; got it
17:04:35 <jhendler> zakim, ??p8 is Leo
17:04:36 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
17:04:45 <jhendler> zakim, ??p5 is Marwan
17:04:46 <Zakim> +Marwan; got it
17:05:01 <Zakim> +??P9
17:05:14 <jhendler> zakim, ??p9 is frankvH
17:05:15 <Zakim> +FrankvH; got it
17:05:17 <Zakim> +??P10
17:05:28 <Zakim> +??P11
17:05:33 <jhendler> zakim, ??p10 is peterPS
17:05:34 <Zakim> +PeterPS; got it
17:05:40 <jhendler> zakim, ??p11 us DebM
17:05:41 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p11 us DebM', jhendler
17:05:41 <Zakim> +??P12
17:05:46 <jhendler> zakim, ??p11 is DebM
17:05:47 <Zakim> +DebM; got it
17:05:51 <Zakim> +??P13
17:05:53 <jhendler> zakim, ??p12 is Ziv
17:05:54 <Zakim> +Ziv; got it
17:06:02 <jhendler> zakim, ??p13 is guus
17:06:03 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
17:06:10 <DeborahMc> DeborahMc has joined #webont
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17:07:05 <jhendler> Chair: Guus Schreiber
17:07:10 <jhendler> Scribe: Jim Hendler
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17:07:24 <jhendler> regrets for DanC, Massimo.
17:08:20 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:08:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Stanton, HermanT, Leo, FrankvH, PeterPS, DebM, Ziv, Guus, ??P0, Masahiro, ??P2, JimH, Ian_Horrocks, Marwan
17:08:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see guus, pfps, DeborahMc, DanC, IanH, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, mdean, logger
17:08:59 <jhendler> zakim, ??p0 is MikeD
17:09:00 <Zakim> +MikeD; got it
17:09:06 <jhendler> zakim,??p2 is JeffH
17:09:11 <jhendler> zakim, who is here
17:09:13 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'
17:09:14 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:09:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Stanton, HermanT, Leo, FrankvH, PeterPS, DebM, Ziv, Guus, MikeD, Masahiro, ??P2, JimH, Ian_Horrocks, Marwan
17:09:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see guus, pfps, DeborahMc, DanC, IanH, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, mdean, logger
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17:09:31 <jhendler> zakim, ??p2 is JeffH
17:09:32 <Zakim> +JeffH; got it
17:09:33 <FvH> FvH has left #webont
17:09:41 <jhendler> zakim, who is here
17:09:43 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'
17:09:45 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
17:09:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Stanton, HermanT, Leo, FrankvH, PeterPS, DebM, Ziv, Guus, MikeD, Masahiro, JeffH, JimH, Ian_Horrocks, Marwan
17:09:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see guus, pfps, DeborahMc, DanC, IanH, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, mdean, logger
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17:10:11 <jhendler> ---------------
17:10:42 <jhendler> Meetings record - accept Dec 19 notes - minutes approved (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Dec/0272.html)
17:10:45 <jhendler> --
17:10:59 <jhendler> no agenda amendments
17:11:10 <jhendler> no telecon on Jan 9, next telecon Jan 16
17:11:16 <jhendler> zakim, pick a scribe
17:11:17 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose John_Stanton
17:11:44 <jhendler> scribe for 16th - John Stanton
17:11:48 <jhendler> ----------
17:11:59 <jhendler> f2f update - links in agenda
17:12:29 <Zakim> +??P14
17:13:00 <jhendler> zakim, ??p14 is TimF
17:13:01 <Zakim> +TimF; got it
17:14:32 <jhendler> ACTION: JimH to add f2f agenda link to the Web Ont home page
17:14:57 <jhendler> ------------
17:14:59 <jhendler> Action review
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17:15:41 <jhendler> Action on John Borden re: media types - done by Mike D.
17:15:56 <jhendler> Action on DanC re: MIME and IETF - continued
17:16:14 <jhendler> Action on MikeD to produce examples - continued (Due Jan 9)
17:16:47 <jhendler> Action on PeterPS to bring XML up to date - done - MikeD needs pointer
17:18:15 <jhendler> Action on Guus re: UML - cont
17:18:32 <jhendler> note: UML syntax at risk if not in by f2f.
17:18:40 <jhendler> ----------------
17:19:03 <jhendler> 2.0 Issue clean up (unique names)
17:19:51 <jhendler> chair's reopen issue "Unique Names Assumption"
17:20:22 <jhendler> pfps: the proposal by Dan causes some problems,
17:20:31 <jhendler> summarizes what is in; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Dec/0124.html
17:20:42 <Zakim> +M_Smith
17:21:21 <jhendler> peter proposes we revoke our previous decision
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17:29:59 <jhendler> syntactic problems with the alldifferent noted
17:30:17 <jhendler> ACTION: JimH to write up a proposed closure to this issue to be finalized at f2f and added to documents
17:30:52 <jhendler> -------------
17:31:05 <jhendler> 3.0 Document status
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17:38:13 <Zakim> +??P16
17:38:29 <jjc> Zakim, ??PI1 is jjc
17:38:31 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '??PI1'
17:38:36 <jjc> Zakim, ??P16 is jjc
17:38:37 <Zakim> +Jjc; got it
17:38:44 <jhendler> Jeff: requirements - generally close
17:38:45 <Zakim> -Leo
17:38:53 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
17:38:54 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
17:38:56 <jhendler> Jeff: metafat req needs to be reworded
17:39:04 <jhendler> s/metafat/metadata
17:39:52 <jhendler> [there is a problem with irc chat at this point - some messages missing - will fix in final log]
17:41:06 <jhendler> Deb: header info to be dealt with - Deb, suiggest header is in OWL Lite
17:41:59 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
17:41:59 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
17:42:00 <Zakim> Jjc was not muted, jjc
17:42:01 <Zakim> Jjc was not muted, jjc
17:42:02 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc.
17:42:03 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not see a party named 'jjc.'
17:42:22 <jhendler> WG does not object to header info being in Lite
17:43:51 <jhendler> question about Full - do we include class as instance and/or inverseFunctional
17:45:14 <jhendler> discussion of header info v. sublanguage types
17:46:31 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
17:46:32 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
17:47:45 <jhendler> discussion of how to mention dublin core in features
17:49:16 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
17:49:17 <Zakim> Jjc should no longer be muted
17:50:37 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
17:50:38 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
17:51:16 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
17:51:17 <Zakim> Jjc should no longer be muted
17:51:24 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
17:51:26 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
17:52:07 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
17:52:08 <Zakim> Jjc should no longer be muted
17:54:17 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
17:54:18 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
17:54:35 <jhendler> proposal - that this be called an "informative" document - accepted by editors
17:57:22 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
17:57:23 <Zakim> Jjc should no longer be muted
18:01:16 <jhendler> Guus: given that reference is authorative and feature synopsis informative, and that we keep both in our LC docs
18:01:41 <jhendler> ------
18:01:43 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
18:01:45 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
18:01:53 <jhendler> reference: discussion
18:02:21 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc
18:02:22 <Zakim> Jjc should no longer be muted
18:04:19 <jhendler> suggestion that reference document should be extended
18:05:06 <jjc> Zakim, mute jjc
18:05:07 <Zakim> Jjc should now be muted
18:05:36 <jhendler> Mike - still need to address comments, been working on new stuff (versioning) and also identifying the appropriate levels
18:05:51 <Zakim> -Jjc
18:06:11 <jhendler> Mike - read through reviews - plan to incorporate from Peter
18:06:19 <jhendler> Mike - will try to fix those
18:06:29 <jhendler> Mike - need to get the datatyping stuff right
18:06:52 <jhendler> Mike - need to add XML and then can freeze
18:07:01 <jhendler> Mike - will remove all links to issues
18:07:44 <jhendler> Mike - need to label normative v. non-normative
18:08:35 <jhendler> Mike - needs to add a layering thing
18:09:06 <jjc> sorry I need to go ...
18:11:49 <jhendler> Mike - some concern over growth of size of this doc, but probably okay for now
18:12:08 <jhendler> Mike - I will send email summarizing changes and presenting the f2f version
18:14:38 <jhendler> ---------
18:14:53 <jhendler> Guus - reminder - there will be time at the f2f to work on documents
18:15:36 <jhendler> ----------
18:16:50 <jhendler> Semantics
18:17:11 <jhendler> Peter - summary: I think that I have addressed all the comments
18:17:37 <jhendler> with exception of expanding proof sketch in A.2 to a full proof - may be too hard to do in time
18:18:07 <jhendler> Deb: did you include the layering (informative) stuff ?  Peter, yes
18:18:15 <jhendler> Peter: have lots of anchors and things to add
18:20:15 <jhendler> Peter - I will work out how to index, and to make a naming scheme for them
18:20:59 <jhendler> Peter and Mike S. need to figure that out.
18:22:19 <jhendler> ACTION: Peter and Mike S. to work out how to do table and cross-reference in Guide for Semantics
18:24:07 <jhendler> Peter really needs more reviews, particularly of technical details
18:24:11 <jhendler> ---------
18:24:12 <jhendler> Guide
18:24:41 <jhendler> MikeS: I incorporated the Ontoweb comments, and am working on reviews received
18:25:45 <jhendler> Mike: checking details of what are NOT in food or wine so we can handle those
18:27:31 <jhendler> note: the WG agreed to "backwardCompatibleWith"
18:29:28 <jhendler> ACTION: Guus to create a simple example of class as instance for the Guide
18:29:32 <jhendler> ===========
18:31:48 <jhendler> Discussion of issue clean up (re: a keyword or property for layering)
18:31:57 <jhendler> there does not seem to be consensus on a solution
18:32:09 <jhendler> suggestion to move this to a FAQ and put thought into this later
18:32:48 <jhendler> Peter: having some way of doing it is good, but I don't really like the way Mike suggested
18:33:04 <jhendler> Peter: but using inclusion relationships seems problemativ
18:33:13 <jhendler> Frank: also be another place to cause problems
18:35:12 <jhendler> no action to be taken on this now
18:35:51 <jhendler> we will consider doing an annotation solution in the FAQ after the LC docs go out
18:35:53 <jhendler> ---------
18:35:56 <jhendler> WG schedule
18:38:11 <jhendler> ADJOURNED
18:38:41 <Zakim> -Guus
18:38:42 <Zakim> -John_Stanton
18:39:40 <Zakim> -TimF
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18:44:45 <Zakim> -M_Smith
18:44:46 <Zakim> -JimH
18:44:47 <Zakim> -FrankvH
18:44:47 <Zakim> -HermanT
18:44:48 <Zakim> -Ziv
18:44:51 <Zakim> -PeterPS
18:44:52 <Zakim> -MikeD
18:44:53 <Zakim> -Marwan
18:44:55 <Zakim> -Masahiro
18:44:56 <Zakim> -Ian_Horrocks
18:44:59 <Zakim> -JeffH
18:45:10 <Zakim> -DebM
18:45:11 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended
18:48:55 <jhendler> zakim, goodbye
18:48:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'goodbye', jhendler
18:49:50 <jhendler> zakim, bye
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18:50:01 <jhendler> RRSAgent, bye
18:50:01 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items:
18:50:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JimH to add f2f agenda link to the Web Ont home page [1]
18:50:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/02-webont-irc#T17-14-32
18:50:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JimH to write up a proposed closure to this issue to be finalized at f2f and added to documents [2]
18:50:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/02-webont-irc#T17-30-17
18:50:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Peter and Mike S. to work out how to do table and cross-reference in Guide for Semantics [3]
18:50:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/02-webont-irc#T18-22-19
18:50:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to create a simple example of class as instance for the Guide [4]
18:50:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/02-webont-irc#T18-29-28