Minutes WS Choreography WG conference call 19 July 2005

IRC: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-ws-chor-irc

Role:
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 Monica Martin, Martin Chapman, Nick Kavantzas, Gary Brown, Charlton 
  Barreto, Yves Lafon, Greg Ritzinger

Scribe: Charlton Barreto

 Agenda: 
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  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jul/att-0007/agenda_20050719.txt 

  martin: goal to address all LC issues 
  
  no comments on the agenda. Approved.


 minutes of last week: 
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  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jul/att-0006/MeetingMinutes20050712-0.txt 

  no comments on the minutes 

  minutes from 2005-Jul-12 adopted 

Action Items:
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1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL

 in progress

2. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues 
        STANDING ITEM 
        
Some emails sent to external issue raisers. in progress 

3. ACTION: Steve to suggest a W3C Web Services Activity coordination group primer.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2005Jul/0008.html
DONE


4. ACTION: SRT to craft exit criteria based on decisions at F2F to send to editors to fold in to document.

On agenda below.
DONE

5. ACTION: Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section on Interoperability (same content)

DONE

6. ACTION - LOG ISSUE FOR ITEM 16 [Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section 
        on Interoperability (same content)]
charlton to do when gets pen 

In progress

7. ACTION: EDITORS TO IMPLEMENT 1092 RESOLUTION AND CORRECT 6/27/2005 SPECIFICATION DRAFT.
           (SEE SUPPORTING INFO ENCLOSED IN MINUTES)

DONE

8. ACTION: MONICA/BUSINESS ANALYSTS NEEDS - WHAT ARE THEY? - MONICA TO ELABORATE

In progress

9. ACTION: SRT/ADD ENTERPRISE DOMAIN EXAMPLE FOR PRIMER.

In progress

10. NEW ACTION: mark 1496 as resolved later and mark as editorial [1]

DONE

11. NEW ACTION: charlton to propose wording on finalise and async choreos [2]

In progress.

Open Issues
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1166:   http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1166

  Charlton to have 1166 text proposed to group and ready for discussion by next 
  conference call 

  martin: should we see the whole set of editorial issues of finalize addressed 
  after 1166 text is provided? 

  no strong opinions against this 
 
1176:   http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1176 

  martin: relabelled it as LC comment, raised by Gary, not sure if still an 
  issue or not 

  Gary: Not a major issue, I'd just as soon close it 
  martin: ok, close, no action (no objections) 

NEW ACTION: Close 1176 as wontfix

1001:   http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1001 
  martin: next issue: 1001 - what is the status of this one? 
and
1003:   http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 
  gary: as far as I'm concerned both of these have been closed - resolved at the 
  London F2F (2005) 

  charlton: as far as i've seen they've both been done by tony 
  19:24:45 [scribe]
  martin: we'll update bugzilla and cross-check to close these ones out 

NEW ACTION: Close out 1001 and 1003 and cross check with editors

957:  http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=957 
doc is now in xhtml so close fixed 

NEW ACTION: close out issue 957


Exit Criteria:
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  martin: exit criteria - srt had an item to address exit criteria wording - 
  email sent out by srt on this:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jul/0015.html 

  change exhibits to exhibit 

  change b from Cover more than one role 
to
  "b.. Involve more than one role" 

  nick: so does this mean two or three? 
  martin: yes
  agreed above "involve..." 
  19:32:14 [scribe]
  martin: two or three 

  Gary: Change "demonstration" to "interoperability" in "Where the demonstration 
  of "key features" based on alignment protocol, 
  coordination protocol and addressing are implementation decisions." 

  from: Where the demonstration of "key features" based on alignment protocol, 
  coordination protocol and addressing are implementation decisions. 


  to: where the interoperability of features such as alignment protocol, 
  coordination protocol and adressing are implementation details 

afetr discussion agreed the following change:
  "Interoperability concerns such as alignment protocol, coordination protocol 
  and adressing are implementation details."

  martin: with the three changes, listed above, we have the exit criteria, 
  editors can incorporate 

NEW ACTION: Editors to incorporate updated exit criteria into the specification 


Editorial Issues
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Issue 1496: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1496 

 greg,you resolved this, correct? 
  yes 

  ok, let's mark it as resolved fixed 
  martin: mark it resolved fixed 
  already done in bugzilla 
  martin: in bugzilla it is reflecting that it is still resolved later 

  NEW ACTION: martin to update issue 1496 in bugzilla to mark resolved fixed and close out





 
Issue 967: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=967

  yves: will do some minor edits for this during the week 
  
Issue 966: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=966 

  yves: has been done 
  yves: you s/receive email now 

  NEW ACTION: martin to update issue 966 as resolved fixed in bugzilla 

Closed Issues
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jul/0004.html

  martin: sent email out last week - agreed issues raised by group members that 
  we should have already resolved - take a couple of days for final review, 
  after which i will change to close confirmed 

  martin, please note that issue 1496 was commented w.r.t. the resolution, but 
  the status just wasn't changed to resolved fixed 

  no objection to leaving this list open for couple of days to review 

  monica: editorial comment on 1086 per my email 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jul/0008.html

  Note, the TypeRef complex type definitions contain the same tag name. Each has 
  different local 
  elements, and describes different attributes and child elements. 

 
  rolereftype first introduced in Example 1 
  CB: i'm happy with the changes 

 m2: rolereftype used in choice in 2.5.1.3 
  suggest somewhere before 2.5.1.3 although I am uncertain about including with 
  Example 1 

  Martin: ok - reopen 1086, add editorial changes, and mark it editorial 

 NEW ACTION: reopen 1086, add editorial changes, and mark it editorial 


  gary: issue 1063 

  gary: want to clarify which situation the specified termination conditions for 
  a choreography are correct 

  nick: finalizer only called when chor completes successfully - one that 
  completes abnormally will not reach a finalizer 

  gary: I just want to clarify that this was the correct view - fine with 
  leaving the language as is. 1063 therefore remains closed.


AOB
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  martin: i think we should go to a CR vote in two weeks time

  martin: let's talk next week, clear up all issues, then in 2 weeks time, go to 
  CR vote 

Summary of outstanding Actions
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1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL

2. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues 
        STANDING ITEM 


6. ACTION - LOG ISSUE FOR ITEM 16 [Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section 
        on Interoperability (same content)]


7. ACTION: EDITORS TO IMPLEMENT 1092 RESOLUTION AND CORRECT 6/27/2005 SPECIFICATION DRAFT.
           (SEE SUPPORTING INFO ENCLOSED IN MINUTES)

8. ACTION: MONICA/BUSINESS ANALYSTS NEEDS - WHAT ARE THEY? - MONICA TO ELABORATE

9. ACTION: SRT/ADD ENTERPRISE DOMAIN EXAMPLE FOR PRIMER.


11. ACTION: charlton to propose wording on finalise and async choreos [2]

NEW Actions:


ACTION: Close 1176 as wontfix

ACTION: Close out 1001 and 1003 and cross check with editors

ACTION: close out issue 957

ACTION: Editors to incorporate updated exit criteria into the specification 

ACTION: martin to update issue 1496 in bugzilla to mark resolved fixed and close out  

ACTION: martin to update issue 966 as resolved fixed in bugzilla 

ACTION: reopen 1086, add editorial changes, and mark it editorial