Minutes WS Choreography WG conference call 12 July 2005
IRC: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/12-ws-chor-irc
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jul/att-0012/Agenda-07122005-0.txt
1. Role Call: Monica Martin, Gary Brown, Nick Kavanzas, Martin Chapman, Greg Ritzinger, Yves Lafon, Abbie Barbir, Steve Ross-Talbot, Charlton Barreto
2. Scribe: Martin Chapman
3. Agenda Changes
NONE
4. Approve Minutes
5th July http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jul/att-0002/MeetingMinutes20050705-0.txt
Steve highlights major item from last minutes
Summary of proposal as documented in the minutes of the 10th May conference call
***SUMMARY OF PROPOSAL to resolve issue 1092***
ORIGINAL PROPOSAL: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/0006.html
PROPOSED AMENDMENT (1): "This specification will work" to "This specification is intended to work".
PROPOSED AMENDMENT (2): Add "CEFACT BPSS" to Section 1.3.
PROPOSED AMENDMENT (3):
REPLACE
"A Choreography Description Language may be couple with other computable semantic definitions,
such as those specified in the OASIS ebBP."
WITH
"A choreography description language may couple with other languages such those that add
further computable semantic definitions."
MINUTES APPROVED
5. Action item review
1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL
NO PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
2. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues
STANDING ITEM
Note: We will not email individuals in the group to confirm closed issues - only external issue raisers
3. ACTION: Steve to suggest a W3C Web Services Activity coordination group primer.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
4. ACTION: SRT to craft exit criteria based on decisions at F2F to send to editors to fold in to document.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
5. ACTION: Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section on Interoperability (same content)
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
6. NEW ACTION - LOG ISSUE FOR ITEM 16 [Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section
on Interoperability (same content)]
7. NEW ACTION: CHAIRS TO PLACE Issue 1496 ON 12 JULY 2005 AGENDA.
DONE
8. NEW ACTION: CHAIRS PLACE Issue 1166 ON 12 JULY 2005 AGENDA.
DONE
9. NEW ACTION: EDITORS TO IMPLEMENT 1092 RESOLUTION AND CORRECT 6/27/2005 SPECIFICATION DRAFT.
(SEE SUPPORTING INFO ENCLOSED IN MINUTES)
IN PROGRESS
10. NEW ACTION: MONICA/BUSINESS ANALYSTS NEEDS - WHAT ARE THEY? - MONICA TO ELABORATE
IN PROGRESS
11. NEW ACTION: SRT/ADD ENTERPRISE DOMAIN EXAMPLE FOR PRIMER.
IN PROGRESS
12. NEW ACTION: CHAIRS TO PUT EXIT CRITERIA SCENARIOS ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA 12 JULY 2005.
DONE
6. Proposals/Issues
1496 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jun/0029.html
my editorial action items are done - yves, how do I submit these?
discussion on wording.
version 1-2 makes sense
the comments in the proposal are not relevent to the spec and should go in the primer
srt 2.4.5 or 2.4.7
nick agrees with 2.4.7
any objections to changing 2.4.7
no objections
action: mark 1496 as resolved later and mark as editorial
monica, need to be clear on overlapping, concurrent, parallel
let editors use consisitent terminology
1166 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jun/0021.html
nick, block is already used in workunit, need different term?
nick, not sure use of terminology "overlapping" is correct (see above)
nick, last para, note, semantics already captured so maybe clean up or put in primer
gary, block is quite consistent
since you are waiting for something to happen
need to work out semtics for fanilize activity
see additional propsal at end
nick, dont really need to change spec as this is what spec already says
gary, may need some extra words
gary, rely on user to put gaurds in place so they do finalise
or get finalize to block until completed but might get deadlock
maybe a third option buts gets complicated
nick, proposes to say if a fanalise activity that is still active has no effect
for sub-choreos
nick reading current draft.......
current spec is silent
greg, we talk about finalizer blocks being enabled, is this a case where they are not enabled
gary, sub choreo will prob not be enabled
nick, finalizing activity when performed againt blocks that are not installed has no effect
nick, should cover both cases
2.5.7 para before syntax can add line to above
silent on what happens if more than one
gary, would an installed second one have an effect
propsed resolution as in email plus clrification from nick: finalizing activity when performed againt blocks that are not installed has no effect
i can take a stab at this during my editing period this week
agree to proposal in principle but ned exact wording on finalize activity
i will attempt to produce some wording on this
ACTION: charlton to propose wording on finalise and async choreos
7. Exit Criteria
steve has outstanding action item to reword
charlton reported last week on examples meeting
need to start writing the examples
need comfort level feedback from people before the hard work begins
group thinks proposed scenarios are in ballpark
8. Primer
a new version needs to be published
comments by email appreciated
9. AOB
schedule: need the words on finalise before we finish cr
martin to get bugzilla up to date based on past couple of meetings
and will send out email to remaining external issue raisers
Meeting Closed
SUMMARY OF OUTSTANDING ACTIONS
1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL
NO PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
2. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues
STANDING ITEM
Note: We will not email individuals in the group to confirm closed issues - only external issue raisers
3. ACTION: Steve to suggest a W3C Web Services Activity coordination group primer.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
4. ACTION: SRT to craft exit criteria based on decisions at F2F to send to editors to fold in to document.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
5. ACTION: Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section on Interoperability (same content)
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
6. ACTION - LOG ISSUE FOR ITEM 16 [Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section
on Interoperability (same content)]
IN PROGRESS
7. ACTION: EDITORS TO IMPLEMENT 1092 RESOLUTION AND CORRECT 6/27/2005 SPECIFICATION DRAFT.
(SEE SUPPORTING INFO ENCLOSED IN MINUTES)
IN PROGRESS
8. ACTION: MONICA/BUSINESS ANALYSTS NEEDS - WHAT ARE THEY? - MONICA TO ELABORATE
IN PROGRESS
9. ACTION: SRT/ADD ENTERPRISE DOMAIN EXAMPLE FOR PRIMER.
IN PROGRESS
10. NEW ACTION: mark 1496 as resolved later and mark as editorial [1]
11. NEW ACTION: charlton to propose wording on finalise and async choreos [2]