Minutes WS Choreography WG conference call 5 July 2005

IRC: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/05-ws-chor-irc

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jul/att-0001/Agenda-07052005-0.txt

1. Role Call
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Lafon, G. Brown, Barreto, SRT, Martin present

2. Confirm scribe
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Martin

3. Agenda Changes
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Add question on #1092.

4. Approve minutes
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28th June
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jul/att-0000/MeetingMinutes20050628-0.txt

5. Action item review
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1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL
NO PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
Clarified that this is for the primer not the spec.

2. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues
STANDING ITEM

3. ACTION: Steve to suggest a W3C Web Services Activity coordination group primer.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
SRT: Need context for this action to know how to proceed.
GB: Maybe about examples that go across different standards/specifications.
SRT: This explains this a bit.

4. ACTION: Yves to produce an implementation page for the WS-Choreography website.
DONE
Lafon: Send updates to Lafon on implementations.

5. ACTION: SRT to craft exit criteria based on decisions at F2F to send to editors to fold in to document.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE

6. ACTION: Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section on Interoperability (same content)
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE

7. NEW ACTION - LOG ISSUE FOR ITEM 16 [Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section
on Interoperability (same content)]
SRT: See item #6 in these minutes. See status above.

8. ACTION: Chairs to ensure that it [issue 1496 and Kohei's response] is discussed at conf call next week
DONE
Remain on agenda for 12 July 2005.

9. ACTION: Chairs to bring proposal for 1166 to group for discussion next week or week after
DONE
Remain on agenda for 12 July 2005.

6. Proposals/Issues
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Issue 1496
See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jun/0029.html

SRT: Any questions. Leave on agenda for next week 12 July 2005.
NEW ACTION: CHAIRS TO PLACE ON 12 JULY 2005 AGENDA.

Issue 1166
See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jun/0021.html

SRT: Any questions. Leave on agenda for next week 12 July 2005.
NEW ACTION: CHAIRS PLACE ON 12 JULY 2005 AGENDA.

Issue 1092
Revisit 6/27 spec with 1092.
Reference: Minutes 10 May 2005 summary: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/chor/5/05/10-minutes.html
SRT: Are we in agreement on what was proposed and agreed to in that meeting?
This text in Section 1.5 doesn't adequately implement proposed resolution.
ALL AGREED.

SRT: Should delete UMM statment in Section 1.5.
"UN/CEFACT Modelling Methodology (UMM) [UMM] aims at specifying business processes
from a global business and legal point of view. Within the UMM framwork, mappings to
realization technologies are a key component and CDL with its goal of specifying
exchanges of information is a key target. Therfore UMM fits as natural component
upwards in any collaborative business information systems stack. Its add business
semantics and motivation behind any exchange of information."

Proposal should be implemented as summarized 10 May 2005. Resolved. Editors to implement.

NEW ACTION: EDITORS TO IMPLEMENT 1092 RESOLUTION AND CORRECT 6/27/2005 SPECIFICATION DRAFT.
(SEE SUPPORTING INFO ENCLOSED IN MINUTES)

7. Primer
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See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005Jun/0021.html

GB: Who is the audience? (via email) - Business analyst, software implementer
that builds the description, and the tools implementer. Don't have to specify to a particular audience.
Monica: Agreed but need to separate goals.
GB: Restructure document to address this. Section 3 with examples to ground discussions.
Then explain interaction oriented design and then break into roles, relationships, etc. couched
in terms a business analyst would understand.
SRT: We need to know about business analyst's top needs.
Monica: We should also think about different domains - enterprise example may be required.

NEW ACTION: MONICA/BUSINESS ANALYSTS NEEDS - WHAT ARE THEY? - MONICA TO ELABORATE
NEW ACTION: SRT/ADD ENTERPRISE DOMAIN EXAMPLE FOR PRIMER.

8. AOB
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Barreto: Principles for examples for exit criteria.
Designed with atomic features in mind including exception testing. Positive testing
only. No extensibility. Will include: 40 test scenarios - interactions, QoS, tokens, composability, etc.

Reference: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005Jun/0005.html

NEW ACTION: CHAIRS TO PUT EXIT CRITERIA SCENARIOS ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA 12 JULY 2005.

SUMMARY OF ACTION ITEMS
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1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL
NO PROGRESS - NO CHANGE
Clarified that this is for the primer not the spec.

2. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues
STANDING ITEM

4. ACTION: SRT to craft exit criteria based on decisions at F2F to send to editors to fold in to document.
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE

5. ACTION: Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section on Interoperability (same content)
IN PROGRESS - NO CHANGE

6. NEW ACTION - LOG ISSUE FOR ITEM 16 [Editors to reword section on Relationships to be a section
on Interoperability (same content)]
7. NEW ACTION: CHAIRS TO PLACE Issue 1496 ON 12 JULY 2005 AGENDA.
8. NEW ACTION: CHAIRS PLACE Issue 1166 ON 12 JULY 2005 AGENDA.
9. NEW ACTION: EDITORS TO IMPLEMENT 1092 RESOLUTION AND CORRECT 6/27/2005 SPECIFICATION DRAFT.
(SEE SUPPORTING INFO ENCLOSED IN MINUTES)
10. NEW ACTION: MONICA/BUSINESS ANALYSTS NEEDS - WHAT ARE THEY? - MONICA TO ELABORATE
11. NEW ACTION: SRT/ADD ENTERPRISE DOMAIN EXAMPLE FOR PRIMER.
12. NEW ACTION: CHAIRS TO PUT EXIT CRITERIA SCENARIOS ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA 12 JULY 2005.

SUPPORTING INFO:
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Summary of proposal as documented in the minutes of the 10th May conference call

*** SUMMARY OF PROPOSAL to resolve issue 1092 ***
ORIGINAL PROPOSAL: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/0006.html
PROPOSED AMENDMENT (1): "This specification will work" to "This specification is intended to work".
PROPOSED AMENDMENT (2): Add "CEFACT BPSS" to Section 1.3.
PROPOSED AMENDMENT (3):
REPLACE
"A Choreography Description Language may be couple with other computable semantic definitions,
such as those specified in the OASIS ebBP."
WITH
"A choreography description language may couple with other languages such those that add
further computable semantic definitions."