Minutes WS Choreography WG conference call 03 May 2005
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/att-0003/Agenda-05032005-0.txt
1. Roll Call:
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Monica, Charlton, Gary, Nick, Tony, Steve, Yves
2. Scribe:
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Steve
3. Agenda Changes:
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Add proposal for 1092 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/0006.html
Issue 1003 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/0005.html
4. Approve Minutes
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Minutes for 26th April 2005 APPROVED
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-chor/2005May/att-0000/MeetingMinutes20050426-0.txt
5. Agenda Item Review:
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1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL
IN PROGRESS
2. ACTION: SRT Check 1027 for issues pertaining to identity
IN PROGRESS
3. ACTION: Add text in primer or spec to clarify participant relationship/role pertaining to issue 1027
IN PROGRESS
4. ACTION: Chairs to talk with the XPath 2.0 WG to determine the direction of three-valued logic and existential qualifiers
IN PROGRESS
5. ACTION: SRT to create a new issue about accessory pertaining to issue 1128. SRT to investigate
IN PROGRESS
6. ACTION: SRT to rewrite the exit criteria.
IN PROGRESS
7. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues
STANDING ITEM - Martin will start to close issues this week.
8. ACTION: Steve to ask Anders and Monica to address issue pertaining to 1092 Anders to
take Charlton's text to meeting and to return with proposal.
DONE
9. ACTION: Steve to learn about this issue from Nick for the Primer (issue 1079)
IN PROGRESS
10. ACTION: Yves to define what is meant by correctness
IN PROGRESS
11. ACTION: SRT to close issue 1002 and take action to add 1002-addressing
IN PROGRESS
Steve will try to move on some of his actions by next meeting.
12. ACTION: Charlton, Gary and Nick to discuss 1008 off line to resolve (leaving 1008 on the agenda)
IN PROGRESS
13. ACTION: Close 971 as Resolved, won't fix
IN PROGRESS.
14. ACTION: Record 996 as resolved fixed with text in minutes (12 apr)
IN PROGRESS
15. ACTION: Record 998 as resolved won't fix
IN PROGRESS
16. ACTION: Record 1018 as resolved fixed
IN PROGRESS
17. ACTION: Tony to draft conformance section
DONE
18. ACTION: Record 1055 as RESOLVED LATER so is editorial
IN PROGRESS
19. ACTION: Record 1079 as CLOSE WON'T FIX
IN PROGRESS
20. ACTION: SRT - Put in text related to access and modify in the primer.
IN PROGRESS
21. ACTION: SRT - Insert 1028 text provided by GBrown into Issue 1128.
IN PROGRESS
22. ACTION: MC - Close 1110 with the proposed resolution.
IN PROGRESS
23. ACTION: Martin to record issue 1102 as resolved/later.
IN PROGRESS
24. ACTION: Tony to add rns: to the namespace prefix table in the WS-Choreography specification.
IN PROGRESS
25. ACTION: Steve to close 1128 as resolved will not fix, but add text to the primer about
the use of lists and arrays in CDL.
IN PROGRESS
26. ACTION: Steve and/or Martin to generate a list of the issue numbers that the editing team
should be working on as a spot check.
IN PROGRESS
6. Proposals
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PROPOSAL: Issue 1039 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1039
Tony expressed some concern over 8.2 being unsure of it's strict relevance.
Tony also asked for a steer to the Description WG for advice on the conformance section.
Steve promised to provide Tony with a steer to Jonathan Marsh.
NEW ACTION: SRT virtual intro Tony to Jonathan Marsh
Gary asked question about mandatory and non-mandatory extentions.
Tony responded and said he didn't think we had any mandatory but might have some non-mandatory extentions.
Steve asked if it made sense to have a mandatory or non-mandatory extention from a linguistic point-of-view
Tony pointed to WSDL which does have something akin to this concept - hence the steer to the Description WG
Gary wondered if the bullet points are just saying the same thing as is in the spec already
Tony responded saying that he thought the same thing.
Charlton offered another example of conformance with a URL to XForms 1.0 spec
http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-xforms-20031014/
NEW ACTION: Tony to mull over and represent next week.
Gary points out that this is a hard task because there are so many semantic in the document itself.
Tony makes the point that it needs to ref rather than repeat
7. Issues requiring clarification
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Agenda item: 1003 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/0005.html
Gary summarises proposal
Monica asks - could there be interference?
Gary explains that their could but that this is something the academic invited experts could deal with.
Nick - the description is a bit diff to the note a few weeks ago. The three modes correspond to which linerarity?
Gary - each correspond to each of the three
once is strong
Nick - but the proposal does use these terms
Gary - doesn't matter the proposal is not a pi-calculus document but is for users/implementors
Nick - Distinct?
Gary - says persistent.
Nick - 3rd is non-linear
Gary - Server linear
Nick asks for use cases for this Server linearity
Gary asks for use cases for non-linearity
Nick - asks what do we loose if we go this way
Chair notes this is going down a trout-pond and sumamrises:
Seems to be confusion about the issue on non-linear vs server linearity.
Number 2 is ok
Number 1 is ok
But Number 3 is not ok because there appears to be no non-lineasrity and that is a concern.
So what is Number 3 in this proposal and why is it the way it is
Also that Number 1 and Number 2 are as Gary says
We need a tight defn for all three in the first instance and then clear stmt on number 3
NEW ACTION: SRT to elicit clarification from invited experts
6. Proposals (cont)
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PROPOSAL Issue 1092: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2005May/0006.html
Charlton gives summary of proposal
Nick - What happens if we do not put this in?
Nick - What do I get from this?
Nick - Steve asked some time ago what was the business case
Monica - Says that it should apply to all specs in the same way
Steve - Agrees with Monica
Steve suggests removing "[XLANG], [WSFL]
Yves says that even C# is not a std, nor java in some ways. But they are defacto at least the other are not
And they are inputs to to WSBPEL.
Steve conceeds point made by Yves.
Chair summarises as follows:
It is noted that the proposal presented has neutral text that expresses a harmonious relationship
between WS-CDL and ebpp without saying anything as to why or how or what value may be derived.
Given that the text is more of an expression and appears to be supported by one of the co-chairs
of ebBP this would appear to be non-controversial and perhaps useful as an expression of intent.
Such intent could be said to apply to wording used for other specification and standards given
we say little about how things are to be achieved.
Chair proposes to bring this back next week with a strict 15 minute time limit on discussion
followed by a vote if consensus cannot be achieved.
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8. AOB
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There being no other business the meeting was adjourned.
9. Next meeting:
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10th May 2005
SUMMARY OF OUTSTANDING ACTION ITEMS
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1. ACTION: Martin to do UML diagram from scratch for CDL
IN PROGRESS
2. ACTION: SRT Check 1027 for issues pertaining to identity
IN PROGRESS
3. ACTION: Add text in primer or spec to clarify participant relationship/role pertaining to issue 1027
IN PROGRESS
4. ACTION: Chairs to talk with the XPath 2.0 WG to determine the direction of three-valued logic and existential qualifiers
IN PROGRESS
5. ACTION: SRT to create a new issue about accessory pertaining to issue 1128. SRT to investigate
IN PROGRESS
6. ACTION: SRT to rewrite the exit criteria.
IN PROGRESS
7. ACTION: chairs to respond to issue raiser for closed issues
STANDING ITEM - Martin will start to close issues this week.
8. ACTION: Steve to learn about this issue from Nick for the Primer (issue 1079)
IN PROGRESS
9. ACTION: Yves to define what is meant by correctness
IN PROGRESS
10. ACTION: SRT to close issue 1002 and take action to add 1002-addressing
IN PROGRESS
Steve will try to move on some of his actions by next meeting.
11. ACTION: Charlton, Gary and Nick to discuss 1008 off line to resolve (leaving 1008 on the agenda)
IN PROGRESS
12. ACTION: Close 971 as Resolved, won't fix
IN PROGRESS.
13. ACTION: Record 996 as resolved fixed with text in minutes (12 apr)
IN PROGRESS
14. ACTION: Record 998 as resolved won't fix
IN PROGRESS
15. ACTION: Record 1018 as resolved fixed
IN PROGRESS
16. ACTION: Record 1055 as RESOLVED LATER so is editorial
IN PROGRESS
17. ACTION: Record 1079 as CLOSE WON'T FIX
IN PROGRESS
18. ACTION: SRT - Put in text related to access and modify in the primer.
IN PROGRESS
19. ACTION: SRT - Insert 1028 text provided by GBrown into Issue 1128.
IN PROGRESS
20. ACTION: MC - Close 1110 with the proposed resolution.
IN PROGRESS
21. ACTION: Martin to record issue 1102 as resolved/later.
IN PROGRESS
22. ACTION: Tony to add rns: to the namespace prefix table in the WS-Choreography specification.
IN PROGRESS
23. ACTION: Steve to close 1128 as resolved will not fix, but add text to the primer about
the use of lists and arrays in CDL.
IN PROGRESS
24. ACTION: Steve and/or Martin to generate a list of the issue numbers that the editing team
should be working on as a spot check.
IN PROGRESS
25. NEW ACTION: SRT virtual intro Tony to Jonathan Marsh
26. NEW ACTION: Tony to mull over and represent next week.
27. NEW ACTION: SRT to elicit clarification from invited experts