IRC log of ws-cg on 2002-11-26

[Marsh]
Zakim, Jonathan_Marsh is Marsh
Zakim, who's on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Fallside, Marsh, Dave_Hollander, Hugo, Michael, MikeChampion
[davidF]
agenda+ review action items
agenda+ LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc
[Marsh]
agenda+ LC comments on WS Description Requirements
[davidF]
agenda+ XMLP re-charter (timeline issue)
agenda+ WS Choroeog update
agenda+ post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG
action items start at http://www.w3.org/2002/10/29-ws-cg-irc#T18-09-37
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to next wscg telcon to report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination
ACTION: Hugo to send email to Lorrie directing her about her issue in WSArch
ACTION: DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call
agenda -
[MSM]
zakim, agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
1. review action items [from davidF]
2. LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc [from davidF]
3. LC comments on WS Description Requirements [from Marsh]
4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]
5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]
[MSM]
zakim, close agendum 1
[Zakim]
6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]
agendum 1 closed
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc [from davidF]
[Marsh]
David: XMLP FTF decided in principle to take on the task of creating a concrete attachement spec.
David: Current thinking is that they will start working on it as they have time left over from working on SOAP 1.2.
David: Currently, last agenda item is this document. If there is time left over, attachment work will begin.
David: We are not attempting to synchronize the concrete and SOAP 1.2 Rec.
David: Expect a separate Recommendation track document.
David: Believe the current charter allows this (timeline notwithstanding)
David: Sent an email to CG on this topic (31 Oct).
Hugo: WSArch made comments on Attachment feature, but not sure they have all been satisfied.
Hugo: Wants to make sure the comment about the Attachment feature isn't lost.
Mike: Chris (F?) and Dave (O?) have an action to draft a comment.
Hugo: Comment is on a usage scenario behind a firewall, SOAP message with URLs within the firewall, sent outside the firewall.
Hugo: The description of the URI resolver for all this.
s/URLs within/URLs pointing within/
David: Attachment doc is on a separate track, comments can be sent against the new doc.
Summary: Comments are welcomed on the Attachment WD. This is a separate track from the SOAP 1.2 Rec.
[davidF]
zakim, agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
2. LC comments on XMLP Att Feature doc [from davidF]
3. LC comments on WS Description Requirements [from Marsh]
4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]
5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]
6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]
[Marsh]
agenda-
[davidF]
zakim, close agendum 2
[Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. LC comments on WS Description Requirements [from Marsh]
[Marsh]
Hugo: Has some comments, but wasn't sure everybody was fully aware of this.
[davidF]
zakim, close agendum 3
[Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]
[Marsh]
Marsh: will make sure the last call was announced to chairs of the relevant groups.
David: Hassle to recharter every two months.
Hugo: Sorry, we were in a hurry last time, didn't think about the date carefully enough.
Hugo: Estimate Recommendation plus six months.
Hugo: When do you plan to go to Rec?
David: Gated by implementation experience currently. Probably by end of Dec we'll have the interop tests between implementation of each feature in the spec.
David: Doesn't appear to be leading to any spec changes. Lots of SOAP experience already out there, and no implementers have complained yet.
David: We're really just collecting evidence now.
David: PR in early January.
David: No outstanding issues. IPR matters have disappeared - no PAG necessary.
Marsh: Attachment spec impacts ultimate timeline?
David: Yes.
Hugo: Perhaps set it to end of July (since Aug is free anyway)?
David: What's the downside of having it too long?
Dave: Can you make it explicit that the expected date is earlier?
MSM: Yes.
[Zakim]
MSM, you wanted to ask about IPR / PAG and statements other than wM's
[Marsh]
MSM: Recollects that there was concern about webMethods (not PAG-inducing), but also some question about Microsoft disclosure.
MSM: Seeking clarification from Microsoft AC rep?
David: Appears to be a nit that is being addressed.
David: MS is aware of it.
agenda-
Hugo: Who has the ball on the rechartering?
ACTION: David to remind team contact to pursue rechartering.
zakim, agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]
5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]
6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]
[Marsh]
agenda-
zakim, agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
4. XMLP re-charter (timeline issue) [from davidF]
5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]
[MSM]
zakim, close agendum 4
[Zakim]
6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]
agendum 4 closed
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
5. WS Choroeog update [from davidF]
[Marsh]
Hugo: Proposal out for AC review until 12 Dec.
zakim, close agendum 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
6. post-SOAP 1.2 activities in XMLP WG [from davidF]
[Marsh]
David: Brings it up periodically, with various suggestions.
David: Attachments always has come up, and is now underway.
David: No other great consensus on what features to do. Not a huge number of things mentioned anyway.
David: Clamor has died down.
DaveH: Any mention of WSA investigation in the area of extensibility framework?
DaveH: Generalizing the SOAP and WSDL extensibility mechanism. Might need some XMLP help on this.
Hugo: WSA has mentioned reliability as an area.
DaveH: Simplicity too!
Hugo: Is that shared by XMLP?
David: Reliability would require chartering a new WG. Big change of direction for WG.
David: Do you mean WSCG should reopen its thinking about the next topic?
Hugo: XMLP can make suggestions to WSA on what's next.
David: Thinks that discussion has lessened because of the existance of WSA - discussion moves there.
DaveH: How formal should the baton-passing from XMLP to WSA be?
David: OK, will bring it to XMLP WG as a discussion point.
zakim, close agendum 6
[Zakim]
agendum 6 closed
I see nothing remaining on the agenda
[Marsh]
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended