WSAWG Telcon 18 July 2002
Pending Action Items:
1,2,3 - Done
4 same as 3
5,6,7,8 – Done
Statuses:
Use case document sent out
Requirements: defer till next call
Glossary: Alan will send out by COB Monday
5. WG document publishing schedule (15.50 + 10)
Architecture Doc: Discussion followed.
Hugo proposed that we deliver a draft next week. We are already late by 1.5
months. If we wait till after August, we would be late by more than 4 months.
It would be good to have a starting point, no need for consensus, but a good
view of the current thought.
Mark : Currently it is more or less a TOC
Dave H : It will focus the group with something in paper
Dave Orchard : Against publishing – reason doesn’t have sufficient tech content
to ask the W3C community to review
Frank: Couple of issues. Only finite number of times something is read. If
it is completely wrong or not even close to near completion, audience may
be turned-off. Understands TTM, but it is premature to publish anything now.
Zula: We didn't have enough discussion on architecture and it doesn't make
sense to publish anything when there isn't enough in the document (No offense
to editors.)
Daniel A: +1 to delaying the publishing of architecture document for the
above reasons.
Mike: Need to identify real issues. As and editor, he is willing to put more
time
but inappropriate to publish now. Need to rationalize REST vs SOAP.
Dav O.: Has only 1 day in next few days to work on the document as an editor.
The current document only captures something that the editors talked about.
The WG needs to have discussions on this and hence delay publication. Too
little time to publish.
David B.: Prefers inclusion of controversial issues in the first draft for
a broader input from the larger community. Disagrees that the we didn't have
enough discussions on the architecture. We didn't have enough discussions
on the architecture document. The discussion on the arch doc will help the
WG focus better.
Heather: Prefers to be late than being incomplete or imprecise.
Dave H.: Lot of risks on both sides, though slightly prefers early publication.
Chris F: Let me conduct a straw poll. 15 favor delaying publication while
4 favor early publication. So we will delay the publication.
Chris F: What about the publication of Use-Cases document?
No objection from WG so we will proceed with its publication.
Hugo: Emphasizes that the missing timeline is not good as there are concerns
outside that
W3C is not moving fast enough.
6. Review of Mike's proposal for D-AG005
Chris F: Mike C. has put together a list and there were emAIL discussions.
These are attachments 4 and 5.
Mike C.: Mark Baker has proposed some wording similar to that WSA should
be "neutral with respect to transport and application level protocols". His
wordings are that it must support multiple protocols.
Mike thinks that they are same and he is fine with either.
Chris F: Accept or reject?
Hao: Multiple protocols is unclear.
Frank: Multiple protocols and being neutral are two different things. Can
we do a formal vote assuming that Mark B.'s response?
Chris F.: No.
Mike: Separate design time aspects from run-time aspects. There were a few
yeses, a few dissents, and 1 wants to discuss. Dave H. thinks it is out-of-scope.
Chris F: Let us resolve this offline. Discuss 3.3. Can we go with as written?
Hugo: Fairly obscure to him and would be happier w/o it than with it.
D-AC002.1 : rework (Chris ?)
3.6 withdrawn
3.3 – rework i.e. propose different wording
AC002.1.2 -> approved
2.1.3 -> remove
2.2 ->
Discussion on the granularity of CSF.
Daniel : Top level high level goals, then break down the CSFs. So consolidating
CSFs might not be a good idea.
Daniel to consider all the feedback on 2.2 and 2.3 and rework.
7. Review of Zulah's proposals for D-AG006
AC0008 .2 removed
8.5 removed
8.6 approved
ac012.4 removed
2.7 adopted
ac015 : all removed (Chris ?)
Final discussions:
The discussions were around working in August on the document
even though August is a vacation month.
The group concluded that we will keep the con calls, unofficial (i.e. won’t
count towards participation), but minutes would be kept for all to know.
The activity would be to “take the document up a few notches”, add material
from what the harvest group has done so far, et al. No substantial voting
would be done. Any voting would still require more than a week notice after
the vacation.
Adjourned
Resolved:
- RESOLVED: D-AR003.1 accepted: separates the transport of data or means
of access to Web Services from the Web Services themselves.
- RESOLVED: D-AC002 accepted as Mike has proposed
- RESOLVED: D-AC002.1 accepted Mike's proposal
- RESOLVED: D-AC002.1.2 accepted Mike's proposed text
- RESOLVED: remove D-AC002.1.3
- RESOLVED: remove D-AC008.2
- RESOLVED: remove D-AC008.5
- RESOLVED: remove D-AC008.6
- RESOLVED: D-AR012.4 removed
- RESOLVED: D-AC012.7 accepted, remove draft status
- RESOLVED: remove 15.1-7 as Zulah has proposed
Action Items:
- ACTION: DaveH to rework D-AR003.3 [1]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/07/18-ws-arch-irc#T20-31-44
- ACTION: Daniel to propose revised D-AC002.2 and sub-csfs/req'ts
for next week's call [2]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/07/18-ws-arch-irc#T20-45-01
Attendance
Present
AT&T Mark Jones
AT&T Steve Monetti (alt)
BEA Systems David Orchard
Boeing Company Gerald Edgar
Cisco Systems Inc Sandeep Kumar
Cisco Systems Inc Krishna Sankar
Computer Associates Igor Sedukhin
Contivo Dave Hollander
DaimlerChrysler Research Hans-Peter Steiert
DISA Marcel Jemio
France Telecom Shishir Garg
Fujitsu Frank McCabe
Hewlett-Packard Company Yin-Leng Husband
Hewlett-Packard Company Zulah Eckert
IBM Chris Ferris
IBM Heather Kreger
IONA Eric Newcomer
MartSoft Corp. Jun Chen
MITRE Corporation James Davenport
MITRE Corporation Paul Denning
Progress Colleen Evans
Rogue Wave Software Jim Shur
SeeBeyond Technology Corp Ugo Corda
Software AG Michael Champion
Sybase, Inc. Himagiri Mukkamala
Systinet Anne Thomas Manes
The Thomson Corporation Hao He
W. W. Grainger, Inc. Tom Carroll
W. W. Grainger, Inc. Daniel Austin
W3C Hugo Haas
W3C David Booth
Regrets
AT&T Ayse Dilber
Carnegie Mellon University Katia Sycara
ChevronTexaco Roger Cutler
CrossWeave, Inc. Timothy Jones
EDS Mike Ballantyne
Ericsson Nilo Mitra
Exodus/Digital Island Joseph Hui
Idokorro Mobile Mark Baker
Intel Corporation Sharad Garg
Intel Corporation Joel Munter
Ipedo Srinivas Pandrangi
Microsoft Corporation Henrik Nielsen
Nokia Michael Mahan
Nortel Networks Abbie Barbir
Oracle Corporation Martin Chapman
Oracle Corporation Jeff Mischkinsky
SAP Sinisa Zimek
SeeBeyond Technology Corp Alan Davies
Sterling Commerce(SBC) Suresh Damodaran
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Doug Bunting
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Mark Hapner
TIBCO Software, Inc. Scott Vorthmann
T-Nova Deutsche Telekom Jens Meinkoehn
webMethods, Inc. Prasad Yendluri
Absent
Apple Mike Brumbelow
Artesia Technologies Dipto Chakravarty
DaimlerChrysler Research Mario Jeckle
Documentum Don Robertson
EDS Waqar Sadiq
IBM Jim Knutson
Intalio Inc Bob Lojek
IONA Steve Vinoski
Ipedo Alex Cheng
Macromedia Glen Daniels
Macromedia Tom Jordahl
MartSoft Corp. Jin Yu
Microsoft Corporation Allen Brown
OASIS Hal Lockhart
Software AG Nigel Hutchison
VeriSign, Inc. Michael Mealling
Waveset Technologies Darran Rolls
XQRL Inc. Tom Bradford
XQRL Inc. Daniela Florescu