16:58:35 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #webont
16:59:27 <guus> zakim, ??p1 is Guus
16:59:28 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '??p1'
16:59:49 <guus> zakim, ??P1 is Guus
16:59:50 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '??P1'
17:00:42 <timfinin> timfinin has joined #webont
17:01:04 <guus> zakim, ??P4 is Jeremy
17:01:05 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '??P4'
17:01:24 <JosD> JosD has joined #webont
17:02:00 <jjc> jjc has joined #webont
17:02:12 <IanH> IanH has joined #webont
17:02:37 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see IanH, jjc, JosD, timfinin, RRSAgent, Zakim, jimH, guus, logger
17:02:48 <nmg> nmg has joined #webont
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17:02:55 <jjc> Zakim, help
17:02:56 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
17:02:57 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
17:02:59 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
17:03:00 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
17:03:02 <jimH> zakim, this is web_ontology
17:03:03 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
17:03:04 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
17:03:06 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
17:03:08 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
17:03:10 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
17:03:12 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
17:03:14 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (such that 60# will not work)
17:03:16 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
17:03:18 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
17:03:20 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
17:03:21 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
17:03:22 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
17:03:23 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2002/11/21 21:20:35 $
17:03:24 <Zakim> sorry, jimH, I do not see a conference named 'web_ontology'
17:03:43 <jjc> Zakim, list conferences.
17:03:44 <Zakim> I see SW_WebOnt()12:00PM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM
17:03:56 <jimH> zakim, this is SW_WebOnt
17:03:57 <Zakim> ok, jimH
17:03:58 <jjc> Zakim, this is SW_WebOnt
17:03:59 <Zakim> this was already SW_WebOnt()12:00PM
17:03:59 <Zakim> ok, jjc
17:04:02 <Zakim> +PatH
17:04:05 <jimH> zakim, who is here
17:04:06 <Zakim> jimH, you need to end that query with '?'
17:04:08 <pfps> pfps has joined #webont
17:04:11 <jimH> zakim, who is here?
17:04:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, ??P4, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, ??P24, ??P29, ??P30, ??P31, Marwan_Sabbouh, ??P33, Tim_Finin, ??P35, ??P36, ??P37, PatH
17:04:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, mdean, nmg, IanH, jjc, JosD, timfinin, RRSAgent, Zakim, jimH, guus, logger
17:04:26 <jjc> Zakim, ??P4 is Jeremy.
17:04:27 <Zakim> +Jeremy.; got it
17:04:34 <pfps> zakim, ??p33 is pfps
17:04:35 <Zakim> +Pfps; got it
17:04:41 <guus> zakim, ??P1 is Guus
17:04:43 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
17:04:59 <guus> zakim, ??P4 is Jeremy
17:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '??P4'
17:05:21 <jimH> jimH has changed the topic to: web ontology working group telecon - November, 21 2002
17:05:23 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, Jeremy., Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, ??P24, ??P29, ??P30, ??P31, Marwan_Sabbouh, Pfps, Tim_Finin, ??P35, ??P36, ??P37, PatH
17:05:31 <Zakim> +[IBM]
17:05:58 <jjc> Zakim, [IBM] is ChrisWelty.
17:05:59 <Zakim> +ChrisWelty.; got it
17:06:01 <Zakim> +??P40
17:06:17 <jjc> Zakim, who is talking?
17:06:28 <Zakim> jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P24 (4%), ??P30 (15%), ??P31 (5%), Marwan_Sabbouh (38%), Tim_Finin (9%), ??P35 (15%), ??P37 (4%)
17:07:04 <DeborahMc> DeborahMc has joined #webont
17:07:17 <jimH> zakim, ??p24 is Jos
17:07:18 <Zakim> +Jos; got it
17:07:29 <jimH> zakim, ??p30 is Ruediger
17:07:30 <Zakim> +Ruediger; got it
17:07:40 <jimH> zakim, ??p31 is Larry
17:07:41 <Zakim> +Larry; got it
17:07:52 <jimH> zakim, ??p35 is herman
17:07:53 <Zakim> +Herman; got it
17:08:03 <jimH> zakim, ??p37 is Jeff
17:08:04 <Zakim> +Jeff; got it
17:08:11 <jimH> zakim, who is here
17:08:12 <Zakim> jimH, you need to end that query with '?'
17:08:15 <jimH> zakim, who is here?
17:08:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, Jeremy., Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, Jos, ??P29, Ruediger, Larry, Marwan_Sabbouh, Pfps, Tim_Finin, Herman, ??P36, Jeff, PatH, ChrisWelty.,
17:08:18 <Zakim> ... ??P40
17:08:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see DeborahMc, pfps, mdean, nmg, IanH, jjc, JosD, timfinin, RRSAgent, Zakim, jimH, guus, logger
17:08:33 <jimH> zakim, ??p29 is Masahiro
17:08:34 <Zakim> +Masahiro; got it
17:08:48 <jimH> zakim, ??p40 is Deborah
17:08:49 <Zakim> +Deborah; got it
17:08:54 <jimH> zakim, who is here
17:08:55 <Zakim> jimH, you need to end that query with '?'
17:09:00 <jimH> zakim, who is here?
17:09:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, Jeremy., Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, Jos, Masahiro, Ruediger, Larry, Marwan_Sabbouh, Pfps, Tim_Finin, Herman, ??P36, Jeff, PatH, ChrisWelty.,
17:09:03 <Zakim> ... Deborah
17:09:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see DeborahMc, pfps, mdean, nmg, IanH, jjc, JosD, timfinin, RRSAgent, Zakim, jimH, guus, logger
17:09:46 <jimH> next meeting is Dec 5
17:09:56 <jimH> next scribe will be Jeremy
17:10:03 <jimH> -----------
17:10:32 <jimH> face to face - please register if you have't -- hotel info on registration page
17:10:39 <jimH> ----------
17:10:48 <jimH> reminder - please have your AC re-enroll you
17:15:05 <jjc> jjc has left #webont
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17:15:06 <jimH> ------------
17:15:16 <jimH> scribe notes the group is a bit punchy this week :->
17:16:02 <Zakim> +??P8
17:16:40 <jimH> issue - propose to call OWL the "Web Ontology Language"
17:18:08 <jimH> RESOLUTION: to call the langauge "The Web Ontology Language, OWL"
17:18:28 <jimH> Motion passes by consensus - Pat abstains.
17:19:01 <jimH> suggestion, one or more documents to include pointer to David DeRoure's "OWL/WOL" email
17:19:03 <jimH> --------------
17:20:18 <jimH> ACTION: Chris Welty to deal with "meaning of owl:ontology" - CONTINUED
17:20:30 <jimH> ACTION: Jeremy to do test case for 5.5 - CONTINUED
17:20:53 <jimH> ACTION: Jeff - test case for imports - CONTINUED
17:21:03 <jimH> zakim, ??p8 is Jerome
17:21:05 <Zakim> +Jerome; got it
17:21:28 <jimH> ACTION: DanC to provide wording for issue 5.9 - CONTINUED
17:21:49 <jimH> ---------------\
17:22:10 <jimH> Issue 5.14 - ontology versioning
17:22:47 <jimH> Jeff explains proposal and his comments
17:23:17 <jimH> zakim, regrets from DanC and Massimo.
17:23:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'regrets from DanC and Massimo.', jimH
17:24:09 <jimH> jeremy - do we have implementation experience?
17:25:01 <jimH> Jeff - good question - we have implemented somewhat and are basing this on some other things that have been done - however the semantic stuff may still be
17:25:09 <jimH> researchy.
17:25:19 <jimH> Jeremy - but we need to implement/deploy.
17:25:46 <jimH> q+
17:25:58 <jimH> Jeff - have done some implementations.
17:26:18 <jimH> Pat - don't think we should have things like this with no semantics.
17:26:20 <jimH> q-
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17:28:27 <jimH> JimH - think we need this
17:28:56 <jimH> PatH - think that putting it in OWL name space means people think it is in formal language.
17:29:14 <jimH> q+
17:29:31 <jjc> I am sympathetic to Pat's position.
17:29:33 <jjc> q+
17:29:37 <jimH> Guus - can we use Dublin Core for this?
17:30:04 <jimH> Jeff, do you mean put it in different name space?  Guus - like we do for Dub Core - make it a "suggested way"
17:30:40 <jimH> Jeff - this is useful stuff - really think it shoud be in our namespace.
17:31:06 <jimH> zakim, q
17:31:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'q', jimH
17:31:10 <jimH> q
17:31:55 <jimH> Jeremy - I might like Pat's suggestion - make this a note or such.  make them second class - but sympathy to not put in namespace
17:31:58 <jimH> ack jjc
17:33:29 <guus> ack jimH
17:33:34 <Zakim> +??P14
17:34:24 <jimH> zakim, ??p14 is Frank
17:34:25 <FvH> FvH has joined #webont
17:34:25 <Zakim> +Frank; got it
17:34:38 <jimH> Pat - these have semantics!  Jeff - but not a lot.
17:34:40 <jimH> ack
17:34:48 <jimH> aueue
17:34:50 <jimH> queue
17:35:35 <jimH> scribe raises issue of requirements
17:43:26 <jimH> zakim, who is talking?
17:43:38 <Zakim> jimH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (60%), Frank (31%), Ruediger (18%), Larry (5%)
17:43:43 <jimH> issue of what the meaning of deprecates is.
17:43:55 <jimH> issue of how these are used
17:44:57 <jimH> straw poll on Jeff's proposal as written (addressing DanC's comments)
17:45:36 <jimH> 2 cannot live w/it.
17:45:47 <jimH> make that 3.
17:45:57 <jimH> make that back to 2.
17:46:31 <jimH> Guus - coule you live w/it if we remove deprecates?
17:47:17 <jimH> Peter: 2 issues - one is "it is ugly to have things which muddle URLs and documents"
17:47:30 <jjc> zakim, who is talking?
17:47:41 <Zakim> jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (15%), Jeremy. (63%), Frank (10%), Marwan_Sabbouh (18%), Pfps (73%)
17:47:55 <jjc> zakim, mute Jeremy.
17:47:56 <Zakim> Jeremy. should now be muted
17:48:02 <jimH> second is - pat's issue of deprecation
17:48:20 <jjc> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:48:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, Jeremy. (muted), Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, Jos, Masahiro, Ruediger, Larry, Marwan_Sabbouh, Pfps, Tim_Finin, Herman, ??P36, Jeff, PatH,
17:48:23 <Zakim> ... ChrisWelty., Deborah, Jerome, Frank
17:49:22 <jjc> Zakim, unmute Jeremy.
17:49:23 <Zakim> Jeremy. should no longer be muted
17:49:34 <jimH> Pat - I could live with it if it was not in the OWL namespace
17:54:06 <guus> zakim, who is talking?
17:54:16 <Zakim> guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frank (15%), Ruediger (4%), Marwan_Sabbouh (34%), Jeff (45%), ChrisWelty. (4%)
17:54:42 <jjc> Zakim, mute Marwan_Sabbouh
17:54:43 <Zakim> Marwan_Sabbouh should now be muted
17:55:04 <guus> thnkas, Jeremy
17:57:06 <jimH> Mike - what do we say re: backcompatwith v. priorversion?  Jeff, suggest we make BackCompat a subset of priorVersion
17:57:31 <jimH> Jeremy - we could have something in the Guide but not in the semantics or reference.
17:58:15 <guus> zakim, who is talking?
17:58:27 <Zakim> guus, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (60%), Jeremy. (13%), Frank (25%), NickG (4%), Jeff (24%)
17:58:55 <jimH> Guus - may be premature to resolve today - but we seem like we may be close to resolving
17:58:57 <jjc> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:58:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, Jeremy. (muted), Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, Jos, Masahiro, Ruediger, Larry, Marwan_Sabbouh (muted), Pfps, Tim_Finin, Herman, ??P36, Jeff,
17:59:00 <Zakim> ... PatH, ChrisWelty., Deborah, Jerome, Frank
17:59:02 <guus> zakim, who is talking?
17:59:13 <Zakim> guus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (15%), Frank (30%)
17:59:25 <jimH> zakim, mute Frank
17:59:26 <Zakim> Frank should now be muted
17:59:51 <jimH> guus - can you reformulate the peoposal based on the discussion today?
18:00:05 <jimH> guus - maybe we could make "outside the namespace" into the choice?
18:00:34 <jimH> jeff - also making it non-normative?  Guus, maybe as an option
18:01:14 <jimH> ACTION: Jeff to rewrite issue for Dec 5 telecon.
18:01:17 <jimH> ------------
18:01:32 <jimH> discussion of issue 4.3 - structured datatypes
18:01:48 <jimH> seconders to POSTPONING per Jonathan's email
18:02:11 <jimH> RESOLUTION: POSTPONE Issues 4.3
18:02:20 <jimH> passed by consensus
18:02:39 <jimH> -----------
18:03:31 <jjctmpscr> Guus proposed wording changes to guide.
18:03:33 <jimH> JimH to chair 5.19 discussion, Jeremey to scribe for now
18:03:37 <jjctmpscr> Issue 5.19
18:03:59 <jjctmpscr> MikeS has already incorparated changes in editors draft.
18:04:31 <jjctmpscr> Guus: this was really resolived at f2f but still worrying about wording.
18:04:46 <jjctmpscr> particularly in Guide ...
18:05:10 <jjctmpscr> MikeS: liked jim's notes too, but this are not yet in Guide.
18:06:14 <jjctmpscr> Varietes, subsets, levels, interpretations?
18:06:26 <jjctmpscr> i.e. OWL DL, OWL Lite, OWL FULL
18:06:53 <jjctmpscr> (this discussion is somewhat off-topic)
18:07:12 <jjctmpscr> JimH: heavily in favour of subsets
18:07:37 <jjctmpscr> 'conformance'
18:07:54 <jjctmpscr> 'restriciton'
18:08:28 <jjctmpscr> Ian: subset is technically reflexive but not in common usage.
18:08:40 <jjctmpscr> Jim reads e-mail msg.
18:09:27 <jjctmpscr> Deb: finds Jim's msg confusing.
18:09:46 <jjctmpscr> Ian: not incredible happy.
18:10:05 <jjctmpscr> Ian: DL is really about decidable.
18:10:16 <jjctmpscr> Jim: not sure full is undecidable.
18:10:53 <jjctmpscr> Jim: DL is good for marketing reasons.
18:12:10 <jjctmpscr> Mike: we've still got three things, but what are they ...
18:12:54 <jjctmpscr> Guus: there is a real syntactic restriction
18:12:59 <jjctmpscr> PatH: sublanguage
18:13:35 <jjctmpscr> Ian: sublangauge is of lesser status
18:14:25 <FvH> Zakim, unmute Frank
18:14:26 <Zakim> Frank should no longer be muted
18:14:46 <jjctmpscr> Frank: dialect?
18:15:13 <jjctmpscr> high dialect?
18:15:44 <guus> q+
18:16:23 <jjctmpscr> q+
18:16:51 <guus> q-
18:16:52 <jjctmpscr> Guss: 1 dimensional decision => sub
18:17:45 <jjctmpscr> Frank: vocab wise OWL Lite is subset of OWL DL, but OWL DL not of OWL Full
18:17:56 <jjctmpscr> Frank: syntax wise its two subset relationship
18:18:28 <jjctmpscr> Jeremy: not sub- but super-
18:18:35 <jjctmpscr> ack
18:18:46 <jjctmpscr> Jim: what is owl?
18:20:38 <FvH> Zakim, mute Frank
18:20:39 <Zakim> Frank should now be muted
18:21:29 <jjctmpscr> Guus: can anyone not live with three sublanguages of OWL
18:22:05 <jjctmpscr> (no one spoke up)
18:23:55 <jjctmpscr> PROPSOED: Guus's proposal with admendment from Jim + this discussion, to be put to MikeS for editorial descretion + Ian's comment on DL wording.
18:24:36 <jjctmpscr> Jim ongoing issue to do with decidability in defn of DL
18:25:35 <jjctmpscr> Ian and Chris and JimH get into wordsmithing
18:26:19 <jjctmpscr> DebMcg seconds
18:26:24 <jjctmpscr> Opposed: none
18:26:28 <jjctmpscr> Abstentions: none
18:26:33 <jjctmpscr> RESOLVED
18:27:07 <jjctmpscr> ACTION: Deb/Change features appropriately (after MikeS text)
18:27:25 <jimH> zakim, ??p6 is Mike
18:27:26 <Zakim> sorry, jimH, I do not recognize a party named '??p6'
18:27:33 <jimH> zakim, who is here?
18:27:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, Jeremy., Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, NickG, M_Smith, Jos, Masahiro, Ruediger, Larry, Marwan_Sabbouh (muted), Pfps, Tim_Finin, Herman, ??P36, Jeff, PatH,
18:27:36 <Zakim> ... ChrisWelty., Deborah, Jerome, Frank (muted)
18:27:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see FvH, hth, jjctmpscr, DeborahMc, pfps, mdean, nmg, IanH, JosD, timfinin, RRSAgent, Zakim, jimH, guus, logger
18:27:50 <jimH> zakim, ??p36 is Mike_Dean
18:27:51 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean; got it
18:28:12 <jjctmpscr> ACTION: MikeDean/update reference appropraitely for three sublanguages
18:28:30 <jjctmpscr> ACTION: Deb/Change features for three sublanguages
18:28:35 <jimH> -----------
18:28:43 <jimH> Guus back to chair, JimH back to scribe
18:29:18 <jimH> Guus - we want to close all the open issues in next couple of telecons - so we need people to help out.
18:29:19 <jimH> --
18:29:34 <jimH> issue 5.8 - Jeremy summed up, how do we solve.
18:30:31 <jimH> ACTION: chairs, to ask Jonathan Borden re: wording to close 5.13 (MIME)
18:30:42 <jimH> ACTION: Chair to followup with Dan C re: Unique names
18:31:46 <jimH> Propose to close issue 5.24 (if/iff) per Jeremy's email (Iff)
18:32:14 <jimH> RESOLUTION: to close 5.24 as per Jeremy's email
18:32:35 <jimH> By consensus, abstaining Jos de Roo, Jeff Heflin, Jim Hendler
18:34:23 <Zakim> -M_Smith
18:34:24 <Zakim> -Frank
18:34:25 <Zakim> -Jos
18:34:26 <Zakim> -Ruediger
18:34:27 <Zakim> -ChrisWelty.
18:34:28 <Zakim> -Herman
18:34:29 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean.a
18:34:30 <Zakim> -NickG
18:34:31 <Zakim> -Tim_Finin
18:34:32 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
18:34:33 <Zakim> -Jerome
18:34:35 <Zakim> -Ian_Horrocks
18:34:36 <Zakim> -Jeremy.
18:34:39 <Zakim> -Masahiro
18:34:39 <jimH> ACTION: JimH to signal discussion of RDF Datatypes and Cardinality.
18:34:42 <Zakim> -Pfps
18:34:44 <Zakim> -PatH
18:34:50 <jimH> ACTIONS
18:35:01 <jimH> zakim, ACTION
18:35:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ACTION', jimH
18:36:17 <guus> zalom, list actions
18:36:31 <guus> zakim, list actions
18:36:33 <Zakim> I see SW_WebOnt()12:00PM, Styl_XSL WG()1:00PM
18:36:56 <jimH> RRSAgent, list actions
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items:
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris Welty to deal with "meaning of owl:ontology" - CONTINUED [1]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T17-20-18
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to do test case for 5.5 - CONTINUED [2]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T17-20-30
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeff - test case for imports - CONTINUED [3]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T17-20-53
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC to provide wording for issue 5.9 - CONTINUED [4]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T17-21-28
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeff to rewrite issue for Dec 5 telecon. [5]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-01-14
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Deb/Change features appropriately (after MikeS text) [6]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-27-07
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MikeDean/update reference appropraitely for three sublanguages [7]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-28-12
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Deb/Change features for three sublanguages [8]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-28-30
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chairs, to ask Jonathan Borden re: wording to close 5.13 (MIME) [9]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-30-31
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chair to followup with Dan C re: Unique names [10]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-30-42
18:36:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JimH to signal discussion of RDF Datatypes and Cardinality. [11]
18:36:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/11/21-webont-irc#T18-34-39-1
18:37:23 <Zakim> -Marwan_Sabbouh
18:40:37 <Zakim> -Deborah
18:42:46 <Zakim> -Guus
18:42:46 <Zakim> -Jeff
18:42:47 <Zakim> -Larry
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