IRC log of webont on 2002-11-07

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16:45:20 [RRSAgent]
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16:46:14 [DanC]
Zakim, agenda + 7Nov http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0073.html
16:46:15 [Zakim]
agendum 1 added
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DanC has changed the topic to: WebOnt 7Nov. scribe: LynnT. chair: Guus
16:52:54 [DanC]
agenda?
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16:55:13 [DanC]
hi guus.
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16:56:08 [DanC]
good to see we've got several substantive reviews of the semantics draft... I hope we can get the reviewers to think about which of their comments they think are critical before 1st WD. I didn't see anything I'd regard as critical.
16:56:25 [Zakim]
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+??P26
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+[UMD]
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+ +33.4.76.61.aaaa
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-??P26
16:58:43 [schreiber]
yes, agree, i think we can publish
16:58:45 [Zakim]
+??P26
16:58:46 [Zakim]
+Peter_PS
16:58:53 [jhendler]
hmm, that's new
16:58:59 [jhendler]
zakim, UMD is hendler
16:59:00 [Zakim]
sorry, jhendler, I do not recognize a party named 'UMD'
16:59:11 [jhendler]
zakim, [umd] is hendler
16:59:13 [Zakim]
+Hendler; got it
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+DanC
16:59:18 [schreiber]
zakim, ??p26 is GuusS
16:59:19 [Zakim]
+GuusS; got it
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+??P33
16:59:48 [libby]
zakim, ??P33 is LibbyM
16:59:49 [Zakim]
+LibbyM; got it
16:59:59 [DanC]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:00:00 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, +33.4.76.61.aaaa, DanC, LibbyM
17:00:11 [Zakim]
+Mike_Dean
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+Ian_Horrocks
17:00:19 [DanC]
Zakim, aaa is Jerome
17:00:20 [Zakim]
sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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+??P36
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+LynnT
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+??P0
17:00:58 [DanC]
Zakim, who is on the call?
17:00:59 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, +33.4.76.61.aaaa, DanC, LibbyM, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, ??P36, LynnT, ??P0
17:01:07 [DanC]
Zakim, ??P36 is MarwanS
17:01:08 [Zakim]
+MarwanS; got it
17:01:13 [Zakim]
+John_Stanton
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+??P5
17:01:23 [DanC]
Zakim, ??P5 is LarryE
17:01:24 [Zakim]
+LarryE; got it
17:01:37 [DanC]
Zakim, aaaa is JeromeE
17:01:38 [Zakim]
+JeromeE; got it
17:01:40 [DanC]
Zakim, who's talking
17:01:41 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who's talking', DanC
17:01:42 [DanC]
Zakim, who's talking?
17:01:55 [Zakim]
DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LynnT (9%), DanC (34%), Ian_Horrocks (33%), MarwanS (14%)
17:02:06 [Zakim]
+M_Smith
17:02:13 [baget]
+33.4.76.61.aaaa is a common call fom J. Euzena and J.F. Baget (INRIA)
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+??P20
17:02:24 [DanC]
Zakim, ??P20 is JeffH
17:02:25 [Zakim]
+JeffH; got it
17:02:45 [jhendler]
zakim, aaaa is Euzenat
17:02:46 [Zakim]
sorry, jhendler, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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+??P22
17:03:02 [DanC]
Zakim, mute me
17:03:03 [Zakim]
DanC should now be muted
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+??P24
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+??P28
17:03:43 [jhendler]
zakim, 33.4.76.61.aaaa is euzenat
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sorry, jhendler, I do not recognize a party named '33.4.76.61.aaaa'
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+Evan_Wallace
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+??P2
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+??P3
17:05:31 [jhendler]
zakim, who is here
17:05:32 [Zakim]
jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'
17:05:34 [Zakim]
+??P6
17:05:37 [jhendler]
zakim, who is here?
17:05:39 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, JeromeE, DanC (muted), LibbyM, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, MarwanS, LynnT, ??P0, John_Stanton, LarryE, M_Smith, JeffH, ??P22, ??P24,
17:05:41 [Zakim]
... ??P28, Evan_Wallace, ??P2, ??P3, ??P6
17:05:42 [Zakim]
On IRC I see jjc, JosD, hth, IanH, libby, pfps, mdean, schreiber, jhendler, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanC, baget, logger
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+PatH
17:07:22 [jhendler]
zakim, pick a scribe
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P2
17:07:47 [jhendler]
zakim, pick a scribe
17:07:49 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Hendler
17:07:54 [jhendler]
zakim, pick a scribe
17:07:55 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P24
17:08:17 [Zakim]
+ChrisW
17:08:49 [jjc]
Zakim, who is speaking?
17:08:52 [jhendler]
zakim, mute DanC
17:08:54 [Zakim]
DanC should now be muted
17:09:02 [Zakim]
jjc, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (3%), LynnT (58%), GuusS (58%), DanC (12%)
17:11:06 [DanC]
hi speed net access is a big plus
17:11:31 [ChrisW]
oxygen/nitrogen is fine for me
17:13:29 [jjc]
Zakim, who is speaking?
17:13:41 [Zakim]
jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LynnT (18%), ??P6 (9%), GuusS (48%), ??P28 (19%), JeromeE (4%), Hendler (10%), Peter_PS (35%), DanC (14%), MarwanS
17:13:44 [Zakim]
... (4%)
17:13:59 [jjc]
Zakim, who is on the call?
17:14:01 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, JeromeE, DanC, LibbyM, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, MarwanS, LynnT, ??P0, John_Stanton, LarryE, M_Smith, JeffH, ??P22, ??P24, ??P28,
17:14:02 [Zakim]
... Evan_Wallace, ??P2 (muted), ??P3, ??P6, PatH, ChrisW
17:14:17 [jjc]
Zakim, ??P2 is Jeremy.
17:14:19 [Zakim]
+Jeremy.; got it
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17:14:30 [schreiber]
zakim, who is here?
17:14:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, JeromeE, DanC, LibbyM, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, MarwanS, LynnT, ??P0, John_Stanton, LarryE, M_Smith, JeffH, ??P22, ??P24, ??P28,
17:14:33 [Zakim]
... Evan_Wallace, Jeremy. (muted), ??P3, ??P6, PatH, ChrisW
17:14:34 [Zakim]
On IRC I see schreiber, ChrisW, jjc, JosD, hth, IanH, libby, pfps, mdean, jhendler, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanC, baget, logger
17:14:41 [jhendler]
zakim, ??p3 is jos
17:14:43 [Zakim]
+Jos; got it
17:15:46 [jhendler]
q+
17:17:28 [jhendler]
ack
17:17:43 [jhendler]
q-
17:19:09 [DanC]
PROPOSED: to publish the semantics document, per recent editors draft, with 2 instruction to the editor to add the "needs more work" per Herman, De Roo.
17:19:13 [jhendler]
woohoo!!!!
17:19:20 [DanC]
... and subject to further editorial discretion.
17:19:22 [DanC]
never mind.
17:23:16 [DanC]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0004.html
17:23:19 [jhendler]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0004.html
17:23:21 [DanC]
From: Jeff Heflin <heflin@cse.lehigh.edu>
17:23:21 [DanC]
To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
17:23:21 [DanC]
CC: www-webont-wg@w3.org
17:23:21 [DanC]
Subject: Re: LANG: need to CLOSE Issue 5.6 Imports as magic syntax
17:23:41 [JosD]
most recent proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0004.html
17:25:04 [jjc]
q+
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17:37:22 [DanC]
Guus, Jim, do you hear anybody changing their position?
17:37:30 [ChrisW]
zakim, who is here?
17:37:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, JeromeE, DanC, LibbyM, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, MarwanS, LynnT, ??P0, John_Stanton, LarryE, M_Smith, JeffH, ??P22, ??P24, ??P28,
17:37:33 [Zakim]
... Evan_Wallace, Jeremy., Jos, ??P6, PatH, ChrisW
17:37:34 [Zakim]
On IRC I see nmg, ChrisW, schreiber, jjc, JosD, hth, IanH, libby, pfps, mdean, jhendler, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanC, baget, logger
17:38:07 [schreiber]
no, there does not seem to be consensus
17:38:25 [ChrisW]
q+
17:38:34 [DanC]
I didn't ask if there's consensus; I asked if this dicussion is getting us anywhere; i.e. getting anybody to change their position.
17:39:03 [JosD]
q+
17:39:44 [baget]
q+
17:40:07 [baget]
(on behalf of J. Euzenat)
17:40:23 [DanC]
ack ChrisW
17:40:59 [DanC]
ack Baget
17:41:35 [DanC]
ack JosD
17:42:14 [DanC]
jos, that sounds like proof/explanations.
17:42:29 [DanC]
ack DanC
17:42:33 [jhendler]
I'm beginning to like Tim's " Foo: a owl:TrustedDocument" better and better
17:43:26 [JosD]
that's right Dan (I'm too biased)
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17:45:07 [Massimo]
Apologies, previous meeting lasted overtime....
17:45:47 [Massimo]
Zakim, what is the passcode?
17:45:48 [Zakim]
the conference code is 9326, Massimo
17:46:15 [Zakim]
+Massimo
17:46:32 [DanC]
Massimo, FYI, I've talked with the other SWAD guys on imports; I'm not just speaking on my own behalf. So please don't contradict me without checking with them.
17:56:35 [ChrisW]
Do datatypes complicate this?
17:58:36 [schreiber]
zakim, who is here?
17:58:38 [Zakim]
On the phone I see GuusS, Peter_PS, Hendler, JeromeE, DanC, LibbyM, Ian_Horrocks, Mike_Dean, MarwanS, LynnT, ??P0, John_Stanton, LarryE, M_Smith, JeffH, ??P22, ??P24, ??P28,
17:58:39 [Zakim]
... Evan_Wallace, Jeremy., Jos, ??P6, PatH, ChrisW, Massimo
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On IRC I see Massimo, nmg, ChrisW, schreiber, jjc, JosD, hth, IanH, libby, pfps, mdean, jhendler, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanC, baget, logger
18:02:24 [JosD]
q+
18:04:15 [schreiber]
ack JosD
18:06:58 [Zakim]
-ChrisW
18:07:35 [ChrisW]
i tried to abstain and hung up instead...
18:08:21 [Zakim]
+ChrisW
18:08:28 [jhendler]
proposal: we will have owl: sameClassAs, samePropertyAs, SameIndividualAs and SameAs which is a synonym for sameIndividualAs
18:09:28 [jhendler]
The ref/guide documents will include a note that owl:sameAs is typically used when it is not known whether the types are the same
18:09:29 [Massimo]
I morally support the abstain's, so to say ;)
18:12:49 [Zakim]
-ChrisW
18:13:20 [libby]
I think chrisw might have tried to abstain again ;)
18:13:20 [Zakim]
+ChrisW
18:14:03 [ChrisW]
I'm on a different phone whose mute button is in a different place...
18:14:35 [Zakim]
-??P22
18:14:39 [ChrisW]
whats the issue?
18:16:12 [schreiber]
issue = 5.9
18:18:59 [DanC]
guus, I'm asking to thru remaining *actions*, not issues.
18:24:41 [ChrisW]
Document title: "A Tale of Three Languages"
18:25:27 [DanC]
write up your current status, jim? what do you mean by that? please let's not have an account of status of issues *separate* from meeting records, meeting agendas, and the issues list.
18:27:47 [DanC]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/guide-src/Guide.html#DesignForUse
18:30:18 [Zakim]
-Evan_Wallace
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-LarryE
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-M_Smith
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-MarwanS
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-??P28
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-LibbyM
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-Jos
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-Peter_PS
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-??P24
18:30:28 [Zakim]
-ChrisW
18:30:29 [Zakim]
-??P6
18:30:31 [Zakim]
-LynnT
18:30:33 [Zakim]
-JeffH
18:30:35 [Zakim]
-JeromeE
18:30:37 [Zakim]
-Ian_Horrocks
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-??P0
18:30:41 [Zakim]
-Jeremy.
18:30:44 [Zakim]
-PatH
18:30:47 [Zakim]
-Mike_Dean
18:30:48 [Zakim]
-Massimo
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-GuusS
18:42:28 [Zakim]
-Hendler
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-John_Stanton
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-DanC
18:42:37 [Zakim]
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18:58:48 [DanC]
RRSAgent, pointer?
18:58:48 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2002/11/07-webont-irc#T18-58-48
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