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15:54:07 <jjc> Zakim, what's the number?
15:54:08 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jjc.
15:54:14 <jjc> Zakim, help?
15:54:15 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
15:54:16 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
15:54:17 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
15:54:19 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
15:54:21 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
15:54:23 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
15:54:25 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
15:54:27 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
15:54:29 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
15:54:31 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
15:54:33 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (such that 60# will not work)
15:54:35 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
15:54:37 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
15:54:39 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
15:54:40 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
15:54:41 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
15:54:42 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2002/10/17 20:03:06 $
15:56:43 <jjc> Zakim, what's the code?
15:56:44 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I don't know what conference this is
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16:01:18 <jjc> Hi, jim is there a scribe for today
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16:01:50 <jjc> Zakim, list
16:01:51 <Zakim> I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM, SW_WebOnt()12:00PM, SVG_WG()11:00AM
16:01:59 <IanH> IanH has joined #webont
16:02:17 <jjc> Zakim, this is SW_WebOnt
16:02:19 <Zakim> ok, jjc
16:02:21 <Zakim> +??P39
16:02:30 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, ??P3, Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh, Ian_Horrocks, ??P18, ??P27, NickG, ??P30, ??P34, ??P39
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16:02:47 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:02:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, ??P3, Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh, Ian_Horrocks, ??P18, ??P27 (muted), NickG, ??P30, ??P34, ??P39
16:02:52 <Zakim> +??P5
16:02:56 <JosD> Zakim, ??P39 is JosD
16:02:58 <jjc> Zakim,  P27 is jjc.
16:02:58 <Zakim> +JosD; got it
16:03:00 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'
16:03:07 <jjc> Zakim,  ??P27 is jjc.
16:03:09 <Zakim> +Jjc.; got it
16:03:19 <jjc> Zakim, unmute jjc.
16:03:21 <Zakim> Jjc. should no longer be muted
16:04:24 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P3 is Larry.
16:04:25 <Zakim> sorry, jjcscribe, I do not recognize a party named '??P3'
16:04:40 <JosD> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, ??P3, Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh, Ian_Horrocks, ??P18, Jjc., NickG, ??P30, ??P34, JosD, ??P5
16:04:44 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ?P18 is Larry.
16:04:45 <Zakim> sorry, jjcscribe, I do not recognize a party named '?P18'
16:04:48 <ChrisW> ChrisW has joined #webont
16:04:56 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, ??P3, Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh, Ian_Horrocks, ??P18, Jjc., NickG, ??P30, ??P34, JosD, ??P5
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16:05:08 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ?P5 is Larry.
16:05:09 <Zakim> sorry, jjcscribe, I do not recognize a party named '?P5'
16:05:13 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P5 is Larry.
16:05:15 <Zakim> +Larry.; got it
16:05:24 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P18 is ChrisW.
16:05:25 <Zakim> +ChrisW.; got it
16:05:49 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P3 is Klein.
16:05:50 <Zakim> sorry, jjcscribe, I do not recognize a party named '??P3'
16:06:00 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P34 is Klein.
16:06:01 <Zakim> +Klein.; got it
16:06:09 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P30 is Wallace..
16:06:10 <Zakim> +Wallace..; got it
16:06:12 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:06:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, ??P3, Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh, Ian_Horrocks, ChrisW., Jjc., NickG, Wallace.., Klein., JosD, Larry.
16:06:31 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P3 is Hori.
16:06:33 <Zakim> +Hori.; got it
16:06:46 <Zakim> +??P12
16:06:48 <jjcscribe> jjc: Welcome to Hori'san.
16:07:00 <jjcscribe> s/jjc/jimh/
16:07:12 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P12 is terHorst.
16:07:13 <Zakim> +TerHorst.; got it
16:07:19 <jjcscribe> Roll complete
16:07:26 <jjcscribe> Lots of regrets
16:07:59 <JosD> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:08:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, Hori., Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh, Ian_Horrocks, ChrisW., Jjc., NickG, Wallace.., Klein., JosD, Larry., TerHorst.
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16:08:29 <Zakim> +DanC
16:08:50 <Zakim> +JonathanB
16:08:57 <jjcscribe> Open action Review.
16:09:10 <jjcscribe> Thompson and Obrst have done brief reviews.
16:09:23 <jjcscribe> Both actioons continued ...
16:10:00 <jjcscribe> van Harmlene action done.
16:10:30 <jjcscribe> Hayes deprecation action continued.
16:10:35 <jjcscribe> Guus action continues.
16:11:16 <DanCon> er... guus's looks done to me: # GUIDE: UML syntax mapping Guus Schreiber (Thu, Sep 26 2002)  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0450.html
16:11:22 <jjcscribe> Dean action done at f2f.
16:11:33 <jjcscribe> Frank onto merging continued.
16:12:25 <jjcscribe> Guus action *is* done.
16:12:33 <ChrisW> me too
16:12:38 <JosD> DanC, agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Oct/0097.html
16:13:03 <DanCon> thx, jos
16:13:16 <jjcscribe> (Frank will arrive late)
16:13:52 <jjcscribe> Agendum 2: f2f4 action review
16:13:57 <jjcscribe> layering ...
16:14:28 <JosD> Frank's document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Oct/0022.html
16:14:48 <jjcscribe> PFPS, PH action is continued.
16:14:58 <jjcscribe> JeremyC is continued.
16:15:52 <jjcscribe> Volz action is continued, Dan want's presentation material not just doc.
16:16:14 <DanCon> was it not clear that everybody who presents stuff at ftf meetings needs to make it part of the meeting record?
16:16:21 <jjcscribe> Horrocks rules action is nearly ready.
16:16:39 <jjcscribe> McGuiness action is done.
16:19:07 <jjcscribe> Welty action done.
16:19:16 <jjcscribe> (5.16)
16:19:38 <jjcscribe> DebM hasValue continued
16:20:04 <jjcscribe> Frank's action continued ..
16:21:07 <jjcscribe> Dean's action continued.
16:21:38 <jjcscribe> Connolly, DeRoo action's contineud because test doc release pending
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16:22:17 <jjcscribe> Hayes action 5.22 owl:Class is simply a marker
16:23:07 <DanCon> jim, are you opening the datatypes issue?
16:23:31 <DanCon> has Brian actually sent the bit about the RDFCore decision to WebOnt?
16:24:21 <jjcscribe> jjc: webont input on datatyping was particularly crucial in rejecting rdfs:format - lexical solution
16:24:25 <jhendler_> DanCon - just reporting back, not opening
16:24:35 <JosD> re: datatyping RESOLUTION http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Oct/0148.html
16:26:11 <DanCon> is Borden here?
16:26:18 <JosD> oops.. better: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Oct/0131.html
16:26:20 <DanCon> Zakim, is Borden here?
16:26:21 <Zakim> DanCon, I do not see Borden anywhere
16:27:21 <jjcscribe> Borden is unhappy that structure datatypes are postponed.
16:27:27 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:27:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see M_Smith, Hori., Jim_Hendler, Marwan_Sabbouh (muted), Ian_Horrocks, ChrisW., Jjc., NickG, Wallace.., Klein., JosD, Larry., TerHorst., DanC, JonathanB
16:28:42 <jjcscribe> Borden: it was never opened until it was closed at the f2f. I haven't had a chance to put my proposals.
16:30:12 <jjcscribe> Borden: consider fragment of XML doc that conforms to some complex schema class - could it be an OWL class.
16:30:36 <jjcscribe> ACTION: DanC Write rationale for postponing 4.3.
16:31:01 <DanCon> note to self: URIs for schema components aren't standardized yet; they're working on it. (it's in their charter)
16:31:38 <DanCon> continued: ACTION Jeremy Carroll: will move this issue (5.5 List syntax or semantics) forward
16:32:03 <jjcscribe> ACTION: chairs continued 
16:32:44 <DanCon> hmm... "to postpone 5.12 entailing inconsistencies" record could be more clear there.
16:32:57 <DanCon> continued: ACTION Connolly: to move issue 5.13 Internet Media Type for OWL forward
16:33:10 <jjcscribe> Connolly action continued
16:33:55 <jjcscribe> PFPS action continued
16:34:08 <Zakim> +??P0
16:34:16 <jjcscribe> ACTION Hendler unique names continued
16:34:25 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P0 is Frank.
16:34:26 <Zakim> +Frank.; got it
16:35:01 <jjcscribe> Raphael is moving 5.19 forward, continued.
16:35:36 <jjcscribe> Done: Frank: to address issue of class as instance (5.19) in OWL Lite
16:35:50 <jjcscribe> Jeremy continued
16:37:26 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc liase with Mike about updating the OWL RDFS namespace doc
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16:37:41 <DanCon> hmm... I've been treating the online owl.rdf as part of the reference, for tracking purposes, I guess.
16:38:04 <jjcscribe> Peter's action continued.
16:39:04 <jjcscribe> Rest of actions will be considered under agendum 4
16:39:41 <DanCon> Enrico should be in the attendance
16:39:45 <jjcscribe> Meeting record does not show Enrico as attendee
16:39:59 <jjcscribe> Discussion of whether to approve meeting record, but we are not quorate.
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16:41:01 <DanCon> for ftf record, TODO: incorporate stuff from Mike S 14 Oct 2002 12:46:12 -0500, stuff from Chris W 14 Oct 2002 10:15:43 -0400
16:42:40 <jjcscribe> jjc: ball is in Dan's court
16:43:00 <jjcscribe> DanC: is unhappy since he does not want to be on critical path
16:44:12 <jjcscribe> Done: ACTION: Jeremy Carroll to add an editorial comment 
16:44:13 <jjcscribe> Done: ACTION: Jeremy Carroll to add an editorial comments
16:45:00 <Zakim> -Jim_Hendler
16:45:17 <jhendler_> I just got cut off zakim - reconnecting son as I can
16:45:23 <DanCon> right, jim.
16:45:55 <DanCon> Mike S: I expect to be out [??], but to have a draft ready [??when?]
16:46:00 <Zakim> +Jim_Hendler
16:46:04 <jjcscribe> Smith: hopes to get revision out by 31st
16:46:31 <DanCon> publishing moratorum: 18 - 29 November 2002 per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2002JulSep/0096.html
16:47:28 <jjcscribe> Hendler: thanks to Mike Smith for updating issue list so fast.
16:49:00 <jjcscribe> Dean is cvurrently busy - will work on webont stuff next week.,
16:51:15 <jjcscribe> Agendum 3
16:52:18 <DanCon> Frank's message on Consensus on semantic layering: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Oct/0022.html
16:52:32 <jjcscribe> Chair asks if anyone wants Frank's briefing
16:52:43 <jjcscribe> Frank: e-mail is accurate account without hidden items
16:53:23 <jjcscribe> DanC: there is a proposal that OWLLite is subset of FastOWL
16:54:23 <jjcscribe> ChrisW: at meeting Enrico said that Classes-as-instances should be in OWLLite.
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16:59:21 <jjcscribe> DanC: who is going to make it clear what is in OWL Lite (whichdoc)
17:01:14 <jjcscribe> ACTION MikeSmith Add indication that classes as instances are part of Large OWL in Guide.
17:02:23 <jjcscribe> ACTION: jjc rdfs/lite/fast/large layering message
17:02:37 <jjcscribe> Leo will scribe next week.
17:02:59 <jjcscribe> Meeting closing ...
17:03:44 <jjcscribe> ACTION: frank work with guus to formulate proposal close classes-as-instances incl lite/fast/large
17:03:59 <Zakim> -JonathanB
17:04:03 <Zakim> -ChrisW.
17:04:04 <jjcscribe> Meeting closed.
17:04:06 <FvH> oodby
17:04:07 <Zakim> -Marwan_Sabbouh
17:04:08 <Zakim> -Hori.
17:04:09 <Zakim> -M_Smith
17:04:13 <Zakim> -Jjc.
17:04:14 <Zakim> -Frank.
17:04:15 <Zakim> -Wallace..
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17:04:17 <Zakim> -NickG
17:04:18 <Zakim> -Ian_Horrocks
17:04:19 <Zakim> -Klein.
17:04:20 <Zakim> -DanC
17:04:20 <Zakim> -TerHorst.
17:04:22 <Zakim> -Jim_Hendler
17:04:24 <Zakim> -JosD
17:04:30 <Zakim> -Larry.
17:04:30 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended
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17:31:41 <jhendler_> RRSAgent, pointer?
17:31:41 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2002/10/17-webont-irc#T17-31-41
17:31:55 <jhendler_> RRSAgent, actions?
17:31:55 <jhendler_> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'actions'
17:32:06 <jhendler_> RRSAgent, actions
17:32:06 <jhendler_> I'm logging. I don't understand 'actions', jhendler_.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:32:20 <jhendler_> actions?
17:32:20 <RRSAgent> sees 4 open action items:
17:32:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanC Write rationale for postponing 4.3. [1]
17:32:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/17-webont-irc#T16-30-36
17:32:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chairs continued  [2]
17:32:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/17-webont-irc#T16-32-03
17:32:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jjc rdfs/lite/fast/large layering message [3]
17:32:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/17-webont-irc#T17-02-23
17:32:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: frank work with guus to formulate proposal close classes-as-instances incl lite/fast/large [4]
17:32:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/10/17-webont-irc#T17-03-44
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