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Shall we release HTML 5 as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, the co-chairs (Dan Connolly and Chris Wilson) will choose between v1.310 (Nov 1 03:11:43 2007 UTC) and any later revisions from the editors this week.
See also Results of a recent survey which shows considerable support for publication.
If you're not familiar with the process of Working Draft publication, see the list of W3C working drafts, section 7.4.1 First Public Working Draft of the Process document, and the heartbeat requirement.
Section 3.3 Consensus in the W3C process defines consensus as a "substantial number" in support of a proposal and no formal objections. In this survey, you may indicate disagreement without formally objecting. An individual who registers a Formal Objection should cite technical arguments and propose changes that would remove the Formal Objection. Please put your arguments (or a pointer to your arguments) in the rationale field.
| Choice | All responders |
|---|---|
| Results | |
| Yes, agree | 43 |
| Abstain | 4 |
| No, disagree | 5 |
| Formally Object | 1 |
| Responder | Release "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft? | Rationale | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Geoffrey Sneddon () | Yes, agree | ||
| Edward O'Connor (Edward O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Erik van Kempen (Erik van Kempen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Roy Fielding (Roy Fielding) | No, disagree | This draft has almost nothing to do with HTML. It is a treatise on browser behavior. That is a fine standard to have, but deserves a different title so that the folks who just want to implement HTML can do so without any of this operational/DOM nonsense. | |
| Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | Yes, agree | ||
| Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Asbjørn Ulsberg (Asbjørn Ulsberg) | Yes, agree | ||
| Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | Yes, agree | ||
| Google, Inc. (Ian Hickson) | Yes, agree | ||
| James Graham (James Graham) | Yes, agree | ||
| Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | Yes, agree | ||
| Sander van Lambalgen (Sander van Lambalgen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | Yes, agree | Good to finally get something published to show progress outside the group, regardless of whether all of the details in the document are agreeable to everyone yet. The WHAT WG recently published a stable version of the spec (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/). It may be worth having our published version be based on that revision, to avoid confusion. | |
| Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | Yes, agree | Much like my feelings about the Design Principles we need get these documents out into the public for broader discussion and awareness. | |
| Opera Software (Anne van Kesteren) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | Yes, agree | ||
| John-Mark Bell (John-Mark Bell) | Abstain | ||
| Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | Yes, agree | ||
| Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | Yes, agree | ||
| Mozilla Foundation (David Baron) | Yes, agree | ||
| Rick Mans (Rick Mans) | Yes, agree | ||
| Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | Yes, agree | Fulfils the Heartbeat Requirement and makes clear what we are working on to the public. | |
| David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | Yes, agree | ||
| Steve Faulkner (Steve Faulkner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | Yes, agree | ||
| Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | Yes, agree | Fulfills the heartbeat requirement and informs the public. | I'm concerned about the number of attributes related to accessibility that are being dropped from HTML -- including accesskey, scope, headers, and summary. |
| Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | Abstain | There's "Call for Comments" version of HTML 5 released by WHATWG in Oct. 26 (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/). Why not releasing that revision from HTML WG too? | |
| Marghanita da Cruz (Marghanita da Cruz) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marc Drumm (Marc Drumm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Jens Meiert (Jens Meiert) | Yes, agree | ||
| Apple, Inc. (Adam Roben) | Yes, agree | ||
| Thomas Broyer (Thomas Broyer) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip TAYLOR (Philip TAYLOR) | Formally Object | No, we have not yet agreed the Design Principles. Without those, the specification has no formal basis for existence, and premature publication could jeopardise the reputation of the Working Group. | |
| Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip Taylor (Philip Taylor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dylan Smith (Dylan Smith) | Abstain | ||
| Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | Yes, agree | ||
| Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | Yes, agree | ||
| Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | Yes, agree | ||
| Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | Abstain | ||
| Marek Pawlowski (Marek Pawlowski) | Yes, agree | Lot of work has been done. Let's inform people about it. Feedback is very important. | |
| Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) | No, disagree | i agree with the comments of Roy Fielding that, as currently drafted, the HTML5 working draft is really quote a treatise on browser behavior unquote. i am also concerned by other respondents' suggestion that the WHAT WG's recently published (26 October 2007) quote stable version unquote of the spec (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/) be adopted wholesale by the HTML WG. while the WHAT WG is free to do what it wants, i -- and others -- have repeatedly asked that the W3C draft reflect the input of the HTML WG, not input to the WHAT WG -- if WHAT WG members want to comment on the W3C Draft, they should feel free to do so, but it is madness to have 2 competing drafts, especially one that is revised outside of W3C space and simply ported to W3C space based on revisions to which the HTML WG has little knowledge. the WHAT WG's draft does NOT reflect the consensus of the HTML WG and should not be imposed on the HTML WG. therefore, i am objecting to the release of the HTML5 Working Draft UNTIL such time as the editors and chairs acknowledge that there is only 1 draft of HTML5 that reflects (or is supposed to reflect) the work of the HTML WG so far. until the parallel development of the HTML5 draft is considered just another suggestion stream, rather than a call for consensus on a fait accompli, i will continue to vote against the release of the HTML5 working draft as a W3C draft, until there is but one draft from which EVERYONE, within and without the W3C, can work with the assurance that the issues they raise and the suggestions they make are based upon a single iteration of HTML5. feedback is, indeed, critical, but only if that feedback is shared with the HTML WG and informs the content of the document identified as a W3C working draft. | until the issue of the competing drafts is resolved, i cannot support release of the HTML5 draft. i am voting "no" rather than "formally objecting" because i trust the chairs and the Hypertext Coordination Group/Team to clarify the issue of parallel tracking and duplication of efforts once and for all before the end of the year, and i am not convinced that the best way to achieve that end is to formally object to the release of the W3C working draft of HTML5 -- i am convinced, however, that if the status quo persists, the HTML WG will never reach consensus, and that the number of formal objections lodged in straw polls and in posts to the chairs, editors, and list will grow exponentially. |
| Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | No, disagree | I agree with Gregory Rosmaita, Philip TAYLOR and Roy Fielding's rationale. | |
| Jason Lefkowitz (Jason Lefkowitz) | Yes, agree | A Working Draft would help catalyze discussion and move the process forward. | |
| Dimitri Glazkov (Dimitri Glazkov) | Yes, agree | Releasing the working draft would put more eyeballs on the document and hopefully provide more insight on the next steps. | |
| Dominik Tomaszuk (Dominik Tomaszuk) | No, disagree | I agree with Laura Carlson, Gregory Rosmaita, Philip TAYLOR and Roy Fielding's rationale. | |
| Microsoft Corp. (Chris Wilson) | No, disagree | We have not had the discussion yet of whether everything in the current HTML5 spec is within our current charter. I believe that may have Patent Policy implications. | |
| International Webmasters Association / HTML Writers Guild (IWA-HWG) (Pasquale Popolizio) | Yes, agree | ||
| Michaeljohn Clement (Michaeljohn Clement) | Yes, agree |
Shall we release HTML 5 differences from HTML 4 along with the HTML 5 specification as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, revision 1.33 of 2007-10-22 11:17:20 plus any publication-related changes (e.g. status section, typos, broken links) agreed by the editor (Anne van Kesteren) and one of the co-chairs (Dan Connolly, Chris Wilson).
| Choice | All responders |
|---|---|
| Results | |
| Yes, agree | 45 |
| Abstain | 5 |
| No, disagree | 2 |
| Formally Object | 1 |
| Responder | Release "HTML 5 differences from HTML 4" specification as a W3C Working Draft as well? | Rationale | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Geoffrey Sneddon () | Yes, agree | ||
| Edward O'Connor (Edward O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Erik van Kempen (Erik van Kempen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Roy Fielding (Roy Fielding) | Yes, agree | ||
| Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | Abstain | I'm not sure this document is useful in its current form, especially in light of the existing non-W3C version that already exists. It might be prudent to wait until after HTML5 has reached candidate rec status. | |
| Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Asbjørn Ulsberg (Asbjørn Ulsberg) | Yes, agree | ||
| Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | Yes, agree | ||
| Google, Inc. (Ian Hickson) | Yes, agree | ||
| James Graham (James Graham) | Yes, agree | ||
| Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | Yes, agree | ||
| Sander van Lambalgen (Sander van Lambalgen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | Yes, agree | ||
| Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | Yes, agree | This document is rather good shape, it was written well to begin with and the editing process seemed to go rather smoothly judging from the list traffic. I think this document will help dispel a lot of myths about HTML 5. | |
| Opera Software (Anne van Kesteren) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | Yes, agree | ||
| John-Mark Bell (John-Mark Bell) | Abstain | ||
| Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | Yes, agree | ||
| Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | Yes, agree | ||
| Mozilla Foundation (David Baron) | Yes, agree | Seems like this would help publicize the main points of what the group is doing. | |
| Rick Mans (Rick Mans) | Yes, agree | ||
| Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | Yes, agree | Is a helpful introduction to HTML5's drafted feature set. | |
| David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | Yes, agree | ||
| Steve Faulkner (Steve Faulkner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | Yes, agree | ||
| Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | Yes, agree | Is a helpful introduction to the differences between HTML 4 and HTML 5. | |
| Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marghanita da Cruz (Marghanita da Cruz) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marc Drumm (Marc Drumm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Jens Meiert (Jens Meiert) | Yes, agree | ||
| Apple, Inc. (Adam Roben) | Yes, agree | ||
| Thomas Broyer (Thomas Broyer) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip TAYLOR (Philip TAYLOR) | Formally Object | See above. | |
| Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip Taylor (Philip Taylor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dylan Smith (Dylan Smith) | Abstain | ||
| Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | Yes, agree | ||
| Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | Yes, agree | ||
| Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | Yes, agree | I think this document is hyper-important and should absolutely be released formally if HTML5 is released itself as a WD. I don't care about WD status, or a Note or whatever. | |
| Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | Abstain | ||
| Marek Pawlowski (Marek Pawlowski) | Yes, agree | Lot of work has been done. Let's inform people about it. Feedback is very important. | |
| Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) | No, disagree | until we know what HTML5 actually IS, how can we compare it to HTML4x? | |
| Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | No, disagree | I agree with Gregory Rosmaita and Philip TAYLOR's rationale. | |
| Jason Lefkowitz (Jason Lefkowitz) | Yes, agree | A differences document would help focus the discussion on the places where new work has been done. | |
| Dimitri Glazkov (Dimitri Glazkov) | Yes, agree | This is a necessary supplement to the HTML5 working draft. | |
| Dominik Tomaszuk (Dominik Tomaszuk) | Abstain | ||
| Microsoft Corp. (Chris Wilson) | Yes, agree | ||
| International Webmasters Association / HTML Writers Guild (IWA-HWG) (Pasquale Popolizio) | Yes, agree | ||
| Michaeljohn Clement (Michaeljohn Clement) | Yes, agree |
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