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Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-56: Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment - Straw Poll for Objections

The results of this questionnaire are available to anybody.

This questionnaire was open from 2011-03-04 to 2011-03-11.

4 answers have been received.

Jump to results for question:

  1. Objections to change the definition of URL to normatively reference to IRIBIS
  2. Objections to change the definition of URL to normatively reference IRI specification using a well-defined interface
  3. Objections to restore the removed text that explained how to translate input strings contained in text/html documents into URIs

1. Objections to change the definition of URL to normatively reference to IRIBIS

We have a Change Proposal to change the definition of URL to a normatively reference to IRIBIS. If you have strong objections to adopting this Change Proposal, please state your objections below.

Keep in mind, you must actually state an objection, not merely cite someone else. If you feel that your objection has already been adequately addressed by someone else, then it is not necessary to repeat it.

Details

Responder Objections to change the definition of URL to normatively reference to IRIBIS
Roy Fielding
Julian Reschke
Henri Sivonen I strongly object to relying on IRIBIS, because the IETF WG has failed to deliver on its promised schedule. (Note that the proposal linked to here is over a year old!)

Meanwhile, the absence of a reality-based normative reference chain from the HTML5 spec has at least once slowed down my actual implementation work. I think it was a bad call to remove the previous text from the HTML5 spec before a replacement was proven not to be vaporware.

At least as long as IRIBIS hasn't delivered what the HTML WG needs, I think the HTML WG should follow one of alternative proposals to avoid a dependency on IRIBIS.
Theresa O'Connor

2. Objections to change the definition of URL to normatively reference IRI specification using a well-defined interface

We have a Change Proposal to change the definition of URL to normatively reference the IRI specification using a well-defined interface. If you have strong objections to adopting this Change Proposal, please state your objections below.

Keep in mind, you must actually state an objection, not merely cite someone else. If you feel that your objection has already been adequately addressed by someone else, then it is not necessary to repeat it.

Details

Responder Objections to change the definition of URL to normatively reference IRI specification using a well-defined interface
Roy Fielding
Julian Reschke Note that the current HTML5 already refers to IRIBIS in this way.
Henri Sivonen
Theresa O'Connor This proposal relies on the IRI specification providing two algorithms (address parsing and address resolving), which are capable of operating on arbitrary strings. But in the year since this proposal was advanced, the IRIbis spec has failed to provide such interfaces. I see little reason to believe that, were this WG to accept this proposal, the IRIbis spec would be changed at that time to provide these interfaces. This would leave us without, as Henri put it, a reality-based normative reference chain that implementors could follow. (I believe Henri's comment on the first proposal applies to this proposal.)

3. Objections to restore the removed text that explained how to translate input strings contained in text/html documents into URIs

We have a Change Proposal to restore the removed text that explained how to translate input strings contained in text/html documents into URIs. If you have strong objections to adopting this Change Proposal, please state your objections below.

Keep in mind, you must actually state an objection, not merely cite someone else. If you feel that your objection has already been adequately addressed by someone else, then it is not necessary to repeat it.

Details

Responder Objections
Roy Fielding The removed text was a complete fantasy that does not reflect how any implementation processes hypertext reference. Restoring it does not solve anything.

The solution was given in my response to this CP on the mailing list. Why is the mailing list discussion being ignored by the decision process?

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0036.html
Julian Reschke As far as I can tell, the CP does not restore text that describes "how to translate input strings contained in text/html documents into URIs" -- it is a complete parsing/resolving algorithm, introduced with the claim that what RFC 3986 contains is non-sufficient/buggy.

As Roy has explained multiple times, the contents of a/@href is not supposed to be a URI/IRI (reference). What it is is something that can be *transformed* into one, such as by stripping leading/trailing whitespace, and handling non-ASCII characters (such as for the special case of non-ASCII in query parameters).

Roy's mail <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0036.html> proposes just that, and my impression was that Adam Bart actually supported that approach, In particular, in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0037.html> he says:

"...That's fine with me. I don't know what the specific text should be. I was mostly suggesting reverting http://svn.whatwg.org/webapps@3245as a starting point, but the text you have above seems like a reasonable starting point as well...."

...so the proposed change was not meant to actually resolve the issue, but to get the spec into a better defined state before proceeding.

As such, I have to object to the CP as it's not even *meant* to resolve the issue.

To make progress, we should go back to the drawing board and turn Roy's proposed text into a concrete change proposal.
Henri Sivonen
Theresa O'Connor

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Non-responders

The following persons have not answered the questionnaire:

  1. Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>
  2. Patrick D F Ion <ion@ams.org>
  3. Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
  4. Liam Quin <liam@w3.org>
  5. Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
  6. Chris Wilson <cwilso@google.com>
  7. David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk>
  8. James Helman <jhelman@movielabs.com>
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  11. Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
  12. Philippe Le Hégaret <plh@w3.org>
  13. Don Brutzman <brutzman@nps.edu>
  14. T.V. Raman <raman@google.com>
  15. David Singer <singer@apple.com>
  16. Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>
  17. Karl Dubost <karl@la-grange.net>
  18. Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
  19. Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
  20. Lisa Seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
  21. Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
  22. Wu Chou <wu.chou@huawei.com>
  23. Katsuhiko Momoi <momoi@google.com>
  24. Kangchan Lee <chan@w3.org>
  25. Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
  26. Johnny Stenback <jst@mozilla.com>
  27. Deborah Dahl <dahl@conversational-technologies.com>
  28. Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
  29. Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
  30. Jonathan Jeon <hollobit@etri.re.kr>
  31. David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>
  32. WonSuk Lee <wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr>
  33. Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
  34. Robert Accettura <robert@accettura.com>
  35. Jonathan Watt <jwatt@jwatt.org>
  36. Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
  37. Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <emmanuelle@sidar.org>
  38. Patrick Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
  39. David MacDonald <David100@sympatico.ca>
  40. Jack Jansen <jack@cwi.nl>
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  42. Markku Hakkinen <mhakkinen@ets.org>
  43. Cyril Concolato <cyril.concolato@telecom-paristech.fr>
  44. Jens Meiert <jens@meiert.com>
  45. Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
  46. Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
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  48. Han Xu <collin@w3china.org>
  49. Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
  50. Mark Crawford <mark.crawford@sap.com>
  51. Preety Kumar <preety.kumar@deque.com>
  52. Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
  53. Ian Fette <ifette@google.com>
  54. Michael[tm] Smith <mike@w3.org>
  55. Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>
  56. Stefan Schnabel <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
  57. Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>
  58. Travis Leithead <Travis.Leithead@microsoft.com>
  59. Youngsun Ryu <ysryu@samsung.com>
  60. Sierk Bornemann <sierkb@gmail.com>
  61. Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>
  62. James Graham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk>
  63. Krijn Hoetmer <w3c@qontent.nl>
  64. Channy Yun <channy@gmail.com>
  65. Shane Thacker <shanethacker@gmail.com>
  66. Vilem Malek <murphy@malek.cz>
  67. Zhihong Mao <zhihong.mao@gmail.com>
  68. Benoit Piette <benoit.piette@gmail.com>
  69. Erik van Kempen <erikvankempen@gmail.com>
  70. Dimitri Glazkov <dglazkov@google.com>
  71. Nick Fitzsimons <w3@nickfitz.co.uk>
  72. Josh Lawton <w3c@joshlawton.com>
  73. Adele Peterson <adele@apple.com>
  74. S Emerson <w3c@accretewebsolutions.ca>
  75. Morten Tollefsen <morten@medialt.no>
  76. Daniel Schattenkirchner <schattenkirchner.daniel@gmx.de>
  77. Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com>
  78. Simon Myers <Smylers@stripey.com>
  79. Samuel Weinig <weinig@apple.com>
  80. Alexey Proskuryakov <ap@webkit.org>
  81. Alejandro Fernandez <alejandro@mediadvanced.com>
  82. Doug Jones <doug_b_jones@me.com>
  83. Marc Drumm <mdrumm@wcupa.edu>
  84. Danny Liang <danny.glue@gmail.com>
  85. Michael Puls II <shadow2531@gmail.com>
  86. Ron Reisor <ron@udel.edu>
  87. Marat Tanalin <mtanalin@yandex.ru>
  88. Andrew Norman <idonothaveacat@gmail.com>
  89. Craig Buckler <craigbuckler@gmail.com>
  90. Matthew Turvey <mcturvey@gmail.com>
  91. Dale Hudjik <dale.hudjik@gmail.com>
  92. James Cassell <w3c@cyberpear.com>
  93. Joseph D'Andrea <jdandrea@gmail.com>
  94. Eric Carlson <eric.carlson@apple.com>
  95. Michael Turnwall <w3c@turnwall.net>
  96. Don Kiely <donkiely@computer.org>
  97. Robert Marshall <rdm@rdmsoft.com>
  98. David Child <dave@addedbytes.com>
  99. Mark DuBois <Mark@webprofessionals.org>
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  104. Shefik Macauley <allknightaccess@gmail.com>
  105. Joe Steele <steele@adobe.com>
  106. John Vernaleo <john@netpurgatory.com>
  107. Jeremy Keith <jeremy@adactio.com>
  108. Jedi Lin <JediLin@Gmail.com>
  109. Jon Hughes <jon@phazm.com>
  110. Samuel Santos <samaxes@gmail.com>
  111. Dean Jackson <dino@apple.com>
  112. Mohammed DADAS <mohammed.dadas@orange.com>
  113. Sally Cain <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>
  114. Dan Romascanu <dromasca@avaya.com>
  115. David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>
  116. James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
  117. MING JIN <ming.jin.web@gmail.com>
  118. Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
  119. Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>
  120. Dionysios Synodinos <synodinos@gmail.com>
  121. Jean-Pierre EVAIN <evain@ebu.ch>
  122. Mark Pilgrim <pilgrim@google.com>
  123. Matt Lee <mattl@cnuk.org>
  124. Magnus Olsson <magnus.olsson@ericsson.com>
  125. Chris Pearce <cpearce@mozilla.com>
  126. Mark Miller <erights@google.com>
  127. Andrew Wilson <atwilson@google.com>
  128. Per-Erik Brodin <per-erik.brodin@ericsson.com>
  129. Ojan Vafai <ojan@chromium.org>
  130. Martin McEvoy <martin@weborganics.co.uk>
  131. Aryeh Gregor <ayg@aryeh.name>
  132. Jonathan Griffin <jgriffin@mozilla.com>
  133. Anders Bondehagen <anders@bondehagen.com>
  134. Steven Pemberton <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>
  135. Raul Hudea <rhudea@adobe.com>
  136. Raghavan Gurumurthy <raghavan@adobe.com>
  137. Mayank Kumar <mayankk@adobe.com>
  138. Dragos Georgita <dgeorgit@adobe.com>
  139. Christopher Bank <cbank@adobe.com>
  140. Ole Riesenberg <or@oleriesenberg.com>
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  142. Jatinder Mann <jmann@microsoft.com>
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  146. Jer Noble <jer.noble@apple.com>
  147. Masatomo Kobayashi <mstm@jp.ibm.com>
  148. Peter Beverloo <beverloo@google.com>
  149. Andrew Scherkus <scherkus@google.com>
  150. Greg Johnson <greg.johnson@gmail.com>
  151. Martijn Croonen <martijn@martijnc.be>
  152. Stanley Manoski <manoski@mitre.org>
  153. Yosuke Funahashi <yosuke@w3.org>
  154. Mounir Lamouri <mlamouri@google.com>
  155. Tony Gentilcore <tonyg@google.com>
  156. Joseph Pecoraro <pecoraro@apple.com>
  157. Othmane Benyoucef <othmane_benyoucef@hotmail.com>
  158. Bob Lund <b.lund@cablelabs.com>
  159. Tatsuya Igarashi <Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com>
  160. John Simmons <johnsim@microsoft.com>
  161. Mathias Bynens <mathias@qiwi.be>
  162. Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>
  163. Clarke Stevens <c.stevens@cablelabs.com>
  164. Mark Vickers <mark_vickers@comcast.com>
  165. Sree Kotay <Sree_Kotay@cable.comcast.com>
  166. Cameron Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com>
  167. Rik Cabanier <Cabanier@adobe.com>
  168. Jeremy LaCivita <jeremy.lacivita@theplatform.com>
  169. Denis Ah-Kang <denis@w3.org>
  170. Alvar Laigna <laigna@gmail.com>
  171. Kunio Ito <kunio.ito@mail.rakuten.com>
  172. David Mays <david_mays@comcast.com>
  173. Michael Chen <michael_chen@cable.comcast.com>
  174. jongyoul Park <jongyoul@etri.re.kr>
  175. Kilroy Hughes <kilroy.hughes@microsoft.com>
  176. Reinaldo Ferraz <reinaldo@nic.br>
  177. Bill Mandel <bill.mandel@nbcuni.com>
  178. Eva Lingyun Jing <jinglingyun@baidu.com>
  179. GANG LIANG <gang.liang@huawei.com>
  180. Ryosuke Niwa <rniwa@apple.com>
  181. Jason Kiss <jason@accessibleculture.org>
  182. Gian Luca Marroni <gmarroni@libero.it>
  183. Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com>
  184. Xingrong Guo <guoxingrong@baidu.com>
  185. Jet Villegas <w3c@junglecode.net>
  186. Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
  187. Hasan Savran <hsavran@kent.edu>
  188. Marco Kotrotsos <Marco@mlabs.nl>
  189. Eric VonColln <eric.voncolln@navy.mil>
  190. Jason Boyd <jason@pixelboxdesign.co.uk>
  191. Jungkee Song <jungkee.song@samsung.com>
  192. Rayi Lei <leiyi@baidu.com>
  193. Daniel Austin <daniel.austin@grintech.net>
  194. David Dorwin <ddorwin@google.com>
  195. jiexuan gao <gaojiexuan@baidu.com>
  196. Xiaoqing Yang <yangxiaoqing@baidu.com>
  197. Aaron Colwell <acolwell@google.com>
  198. Alex Giladi <alex.giladi@huawei.com>
  199. Motomasa Futagami <Motomasa.Futagami@jp.sony.com>
  200. Kevin Streeter <kstreete@adobe.com>
  201. Christian Kaiser <kaiserc@google.com>
  202. Xuejian Li <lixuejian@baidu.com>
  203. Zuncheng Yang <yangzuncheng@baidu.com>
  204. Qianglong Zheng <zhengqianglong@baidu.com>
  205. Zhou Shen <shenzhou@baidu.com>
  206. Duoyi Wu <wuduoyi@baidu.com>
  207. Zheng Jia <jiazheng@baidu.com>
  208. Weifeng Feng <fengweifeng@baidu.com>
  209. Damin Hu <hudamin@baidu.com>
  210. Yang Liu <liuyang12@baidu.com>
  211. Zhixing Lei <leizhixing@baidu.com>
  212. Honggang Tang <tanghonggang@baidu.com>
  213. Kefeng Li <buaadallas@gmail.com>
  214. Xu Ma <maxu@baidu.com>
  215. Junzhong Liu <liujunzhong@baidu.com>
  216. Stefan Kaiser <stefan.kaiser@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
  217. Sheau Ng <Sheau.ng@nbcuni.com>
  218. Stefan Pham <stefan.pham@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
  219. Ami Fischman <fischman@google.com>
  220. Arnaud Braud <arnaud.braud@orange.com>
  221. Futomi Hatano <futomi.hatano@newphoria.co.jp>
  222. Bram Tullemans <tullemans@ebu.ch>
  223. Petr Peterka <ppeterka@verimatrix.com>
  224. lei wang <wanglei03@baidu.com>
  225. Milan Patel <Milan.Patel@huawei.com>
  226. Yiling Gu <guyiling@baidu.com>
  227. Zefa Xiong <xiongzefa@baidu.com>
  228. shanglin chen <chenshanglin@baidu.com>
  229. Yaso Córdova <who@yaso.is>
  230. Ping Wu <wuping02@baidu.com>
  231. Bin Chen <chenbin01@baidu.com>
  232. Youichi Takashima <takashima.youichi@lab.ntt.co.jp>
  233. Patrick Ladd <Pat_Ladd2@cable.comcast.com>
  234. Norifumi Kikkawa <norifumi.kikkawa@jp.sony.com>
  235. Hanrui Gao <gaohanrui@360.cn>
  236. Hao Jing <jh.jinghao@huawei.com>
  237. Glenn Deen <glenn.deen@nbcuni.com>
  238. Lei Wang <wanglei@baidu.com>
  239. Tom Handal <thandal@verimatrix.com>
  240. Tsutomu Ogasawara <tsutomu.ogasawara@mail.rakuten.com>
  241. Jose Segura <jose.segura@mail.rakuten.com>
  242. Pengcheng Guo <guopengcheng@baidu.com>
  243. Tom Wiltzius <wiltzius@google.com>
  244. Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
  245. Xie Jianhui <xiejianhui@baidu.com>
  246. Yujie Jiang <jiangyujie@baidu.com>
  247. Leslie Sikos <sikos@sikoswebconsulting.com.au>
  248. Kazuhiko Takabayashi <kazuhiko.takabayashi@jp.sony.com>
  249. Brady Eidson <beidson@apple.com>
  250. Jerry Smith <jdsmith@microsoft.com>
  251. Michael Thornburgh <mthornbu@adobe.com>
  252. Cyril Rickelton-Abdi <cyril.rickelton-abdi@turner.com>
  253. Andrew Davis <andrew@diff.mx>
  254. Mick Hakobyan <mhakobyan@netflix.com>
  255. Vladimir Sinelnikov <sinelnikov@gmail.com>
  256. Chris Wong <huanghoujin@baidu.com>
  257. Yiliang LIU <liuyiliang@baidu.com>
  258. Hernan Beati <hernanbeati@gmail.com>
  259. mingqiang zhang <imcnan@gmail.com>
  260. yubo zhou <zhouyubo@360.cn>
  261. Ben Barber <barberboy@gmail.com>
  262. Suzanne Taylor <Suzanne.Taylor@pearson.com>
  263. Grzegorz Babula <gbabula@gmail.com>
  264. Brian Kardell <hitchjs@gmail.com>
  265. xueliang fan <fanxueliang@baidu.com>
  266. Niels Thorwirth <nthorwirth@verimatrix.com>
  267. David Evans <david.evans@rd.bbc.co.uk>
  268. Danny O'Brien <danny@eff.org>
  269. Joseph Karr O'Connor <josephoconnor@mac.com>
  270. Seth Schoen <schoen@eff.org>
  271. Yusuke Kagiwada <block.rxckin.beats@gmail.com>
  272. smallni ding <smallniding@tencent.com>
  273. Jamil Ellis <jamil.ellis@hbo.com>
  274. Jim Walsh <jim@jwalshcreative.com>
  275. Greg Davis <greg.davis@pearson.com>
  276. Gabino Alonso <gabinovincent@gmail.com>
  277. Sam Langdon <sam.langdon@hachette.co.uk>
  278. Michael Kelly <mkelly@mozilla.com>
  279. Xiaoqian Wu <xiaoqian@w3.org>
  280. Yue Min <minyue@baidu.com>
  281. Min Li <limin04@baidu.com>
  282. A.S. Krishnakumar <ask@avaya.com>
  283. Jonathan Neal <jonathantneal@gmail.com>
  284. Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
  285. Pedro Xavier Jorge <pedro.xavierjorge@gmail.com>
  286. Akira Torii <Torii.Akira@bp.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>
  287. So Vang <svang@nab.org>
  288. Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício <nathalia@nic.br>
  289. Deblyn prado <deblyn@nic.br>
  290. Vicente García Díaz <vicegd@live.com>
  291. Nolan Butcher <nolan.butcher@hbo.com>
  292. Shinya Maruyama <Shinya.Maruyama@jp.sony.com>
  293. RAVI CHANDRA RAVULAPATI <ravichandra480@gmail.com>
  294. Yusuke Yokosuka <Yokosuka.Yusuke@bx.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>
  295. John Riviello <john_riviello@comcast.com>
  296. yaolong wang <wangyaolong@baidu.com>
  297. Tao Liang <liangtao01@baidu.com>
  298. Glenn Eguchi <geguchi@adobe.com>
  299. Lukáš Čihák <lukas.cihak@mensa.cz>
  300. WOOGLAE KIM <wlkim@inswave.com>
  301. Min Ren <minren@tencent.com>
  302. Rustam Khashimkhodjaev <Rustam_Khashimkhodjaev@cable.comcast.com>
  303. Jason White <jjwhite@ets.org>
  304. Hyejin Lee <hjlee@html5forum.or.kr>
  305. Richard Grzeczkowski <richard_grzeczkowski@cable.comcast.com>
  306. qigang huang <qiganghuang@tencent.com>
  307. Pascal Perrot <pascal.perrot@orange.com>
  308. Dapeng Liu <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>
  309. Matthew Wolenetz <wolenetz@google.com>
  310. Cory Heslip <cory_heslip@cable.comcast.com>
  311. Shaohang Yang <shaohang.ysh@alibaba-inc.com>
  312. Pramod Patlolla <pramod.patlolla@turner.com>
  313. Cooper Pope <cooper.pope@turner.com>
  314. Choon-Sik Cho <admin@wizvera.com>
  315. Seiji Okumura <Okumura.Seiji@bc.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>
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