15:43:33 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #webont
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15:46:48 <jhendler> zakim, list conferences
15:46:49 <Zakim> I see WS_ArchWG(f2f)9:00AM, SVG_WG()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()11:00AM
15:48:20 <jhendler> agenda+ Admin -- Roll Call, Minutes, Next tele, ftf meetings, Press Release
15:48:34 <jhendler> agenda+ Action review
15:48:51 <jhendler> agenda+ Guide document
15:49:03 <jhendler> agenda+ Test Document
15:49:24 <jhendler> agenda+ Proposed Resolutions
15:49:29 <jhendler> agenda+ open issues
15:49:32 <jhendler> agenda+ AOB
15:53:48 <jhendler> zakim, agenda
15:53:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
15:54:33 <jhendler> agenda?
15:58:18 <mdean> mdean has joined #webont
15:58:56 <jhendler> Mike,  I'll phone in soon - greet folks as they arrive
16:00:11 <libby_> libby_ has joined #webont
16:00:20 <pfps> pfps has joined #webont
16:00:39 <libby_> I'll be on and off phone today, sorry - getting a new computer
16:01:43 <pfps> Zakim, ??P33 is pfps
16:01:43 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '??P33'
16:01:47 <jhendler> zakim, list conferences
16:01:48 <Zakim> I see WS_ArchWG(f2f)9:00AM, SVG_WG()11:00AM, SW_WebOnt()12:00PM
16:01:56 <FvH> FvH has joined #webont
16:01:58 <jhendler> zakim, this is SW_WebOnt
16:01:59 <Zakim> ok, jhendler
16:02:08 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
16:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P4, Mike_Dean, ??P30, ??P31, Lassila, ??P33, TimF, ??P35, ??P36
16:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:02:11 <pfps> zakim ??P33 is pfps
16:02:15 <jjc> jjc has joined #webont
16:02:17 <Zakim> +Jim_Hendler
16:02:21 <schreiber> schreiber has joined #webont
16:02:23 <Zakim> +??P10
16:02:26 <pfps> zakim, ??P33 is pfps
16:02:27 <Zakim> +Pfps; got it
16:02:37 <libby_> zakim, ??P10 is libby
16:02:38 <Zakim> +Libby; got it
16:02:39 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who is here?
16:02:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P4, Mike_Dean, ??P30, ??P31, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, ??P35, ??P36, Jim_Hendler, Libby
16:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:02:43 <Zakim> +??P11
16:02:51 <jhendler> zakim, ??p4 is jeremy
16:02:52 <Zakim> +Jeremy; got it
16:03:06 <Zakim> +John_Stanton
16:03:08 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who is talking?
16:03:20 <Zakim> jjcscribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mike_Dean (13%), Pfps (4%), ??P36 (77%)
16:03:28 <Zakim> +??P2
16:03:29 <Zakim> +??P5
16:03:31 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who is talking?
16:03:36 <jhendler> zakim, ??p30 is rudiger
16:03:37 <Zakim> +Rudiger; got it
16:03:38 <Zakim> + +1.650.852.aaaa
16:03:43 <Zakim> jjcscribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (11%), ??P5 (12%), John_Stanton (26%), ??P30 (11%), Pfps (13%), ??P36 (9%)
16:04:01 <jhendler> zakim aaaa is mcguinness
16:04:09 <herman> herman has joined #webont
16:04:12 <jhendler> zakim, aaaa is mcguinness
16:04:13 <Zakim> +Mcguinness; got it
16:04:21 <pfps> zakim, ??P5 is IanHorrocks
16:04:22 <Zakim> +IanHorrocks; got it
16:04:32 <jhendler> zakim, who is here
16:04:33 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'
16:04:35 <ora> ora has joined #webont
16:04:37 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
16:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, ??P31, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, ??P35, ??P36, Jim_Hendler, Libby, ??P11, John_Stanton, ??P2, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness
16:04:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:05:06 <jhendler> zakim, ??p31 is terHorst
16:05:08 <Zakim> +TerHorst; got it
16:05:10 <jjcscribe> Zakim, who is talking?
16:05:16 <DeborahMc> DeborahMc has joined #webont
16:05:18 <jhendler> zakim, ?? p35 is eshelman
16:05:21 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? p35 is eshelman', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:05:22 <Zakim> jjcscribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jeremy (57%), Jim_Hendler (9%), ??P11 (5%), Rudiger (4%), Lassila (25%), Pfps (10%), ??P35 (4%)
16:05:29 <jhendler> zakim, ??p35 is eshelman
16:05:30 <Zakim> +Eshelman; got it
16:05:34 <jhendler> zakim, who is here
16:05:35 <Zakim> jhendler, you need to end that query with '?'
16:05:35 <Zakim> +M_Smith
16:05:41 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
16:05:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, TerHorst, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, Eshelman, ??P36, Jim_Hendler, Libby, ??P11, John_Stanton, ??P2, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness, M_Smith
16:05:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see DeborahMc, ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:05:50 <Zakim> +??P16
16:05:55 <schreiber> zakim, ??p2 is GuusS
16:05:57 <Zakim> +GuusS; got it
16:05:58 <jhendler> zakim, ??p36 is heflin
16:05:59 <Zakim> +Heflin; got it
16:06:06 <jhendler> zakim, who is here ?
16:06:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, TerHorst, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, Eshelman, Heflin, Jim_Hendler, Libby, ??P11, John_Stanton, GuusS, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness, M_Smith,
16:06:10 <Zakim> ... ??P16
16:06:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see DeborahMc, ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:06:15 <Massimo> Massimo has joined #webont
16:06:19 <jhendler> zakim, ??p16 is buswell
16:06:20 <Zakim> +Buswell; got it
16:06:27 <jhendler> zakim, ??p11 is buswell
16:06:28 <Zakim> +Buswell; got it
16:06:43 <jhendler> zakim, ??p11 is FrankvH
16:06:44 <Zakim> sorry, jhendler, I do not recognize a party named '??p11'
16:06:58 <jjcscribe> Frank is here
16:07:08 <jhendler> zakim, buswell.a is frank
16:07:10 <Zakim> +Frank; got it
16:07:18 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
16:07:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, TerHorst, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, Eshelman, Heflin, Jim_Hendler, Libby, Frank, John_Stanton, GuusS, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness, M_Smith,
16:07:22 <Zakim> ... Buswell
16:07:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Massimo, DeborahMc, ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:07:26 <Zakim> +Leo
16:08:09 <jjcscribe> zakim, who is here?
16:08:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, TerHorst, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, Eshelman, Heflin, Jim_Hendler, Libby, Frank, John_Stanton, GuusS, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness, M_Smith,
16:08:12 <jhendler> zakim, wallace is here also.
16:08:12 <Zakim> ... Buswell, Leo
16:08:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Massimo, DeborahMc, ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:08:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'wallace is here also.', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:08:27 <jhendler> zakim, add wallace
16:08:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'add wallace', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:08:43 <jjcscribe> Wallace is here.
16:08:50 <jhendler> zakim, agenda
16:08:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:08:55 <jhendler> agenda
16:08:55 <Zakim> +Massimo
16:09:06 <jhendler> agenda?
16:09:26 <jhendler> zakim, agendum 1
16:09:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum 1', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:09:37 <jhendler> zakim, next agendum
16:09:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin -- Roll Call, Minutes, Next tele, ftf meetings, Press Release" taken up [from jhendler]
16:09:41 <jjcscribe> Regrets: connolly welty, marwan, 
16:10:30 <jjcscribe> 29th minutes proposed and seconded
16:10:46 <jjcscribe> Sept 5th minutes proposed and seconded.
16:10:55 <jjcscribe> No objections to either.,
16:11:05 <jhendler> zakim, choose a scribe
16:11:07 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Leo
16:11:12 <jhendler> zakim, choose a scribe
16:11:13 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TerHorst
16:11:16 <jjcscribe> next telecon 19th.
16:11:29 <jjcscribe> Evan volunteers for next scribe
16:11:39 <Ian> Ian has joined #webont
16:11:43 <Massimo> Agenda in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0155.html
16:12:27 <jhendler> ACTION: Jeremy - update WG on networking for f2f
16:12:55 <JosD> JosD has joined #webont
16:13:37 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc Networking for f2f4
16:13:42 <Zakim> +??P0
16:13:46 <Zakim> +LynnT
16:13:58 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc Entertainment f2f4, continued
16:14:05 <jhendler> zakim, ??P0 is jos
16:14:06 <Zakim> +Jos; got it
16:14:07 <jjcscribe> Zakim, ??P0 is Jos
16:14:09 <Zakim> sorry, jjcscribe, I do not recognize a party named '??P0'
16:14:12 <jhendler> zakim, who is here?
16:14:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, TerHorst, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, Eshelman, Heflin, Jim_Hendler, Libby, Frank, John_Stanton, GuusS, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness, M_Smith,
16:14:15 <Zakim> ... Buswell, Leo, Massimo, Jos, LynnT
16:14:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see JosD, Ian, Massimo, DeborahMc, ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:14:22 <JosD> Zakim, ??P0 is JosD
16:14:23 <Zakim> sorry, JosD, I do not recognize a party named '??P0'
16:15:00 <Massimo> Zakim, jos is JosD
16:15:01 <Zakim> +JosD; got it
16:15:03 <Massimo> ;)
16:15:22 <jjcscribe> Press release, 1.5
16:15:38 <jjcscribe> Jim notes we have about the six weeks required to give notice.
16:15:48 <jjcscribe> ACTION jim to prepare talking points for press release
16:16:05 <jjcscribe> Can anyone who has bullet points or text please send it to Jim
16:16:17 <jhendler> zakim, next agendum
16:16:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin -- Roll Call, Minutes, Next tele, ftf meetings, Press Release" taken up [from jhendler]
16:16:28 <jhendler> agenda+
16:16:36 <Zakim> +Pat_Hayes
16:16:39 <jhendler> next agenda
16:16:45 <jjcscribe> review Eshelman how-to
16:16:49 <jhendler> next agenda
16:17:11 <jjcscribe> zakim, agenda+
16:17:13 <Zakim> agendum 9 added
16:17:20 <jjcscribe> zakim, agenda next
16:17:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda next', jjcscribe.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:17:31 <jjcscribe> zakim, agendum next.
16:17:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum next.', jjcscribe.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:17:34 <Massimo> Zakim, take up next agendum
16:17:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin -- Roll Call, Minutes, Next tele, ftf meetings, Press Release" taken up [from jhendler]
16:17:50 <jjcscribe> Larry has contributed an example, so action is complete.
16:18:18 <Massimo> Zakim, agenda- 1
16:18:19 <Zakim> agendum 1, Admin -- Roll Call, Minutes, Next tele, ftf meetings, Press Release, dropped
16:18:31 <Massimo> Zakim, next agendum
16:18:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Action review" taken up [from jhendler]
16:18:33 <jjcscribe> Guus UML - continued
16:18:43 <JosD> from Larry http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0146.html
16:18:52 <jjcscribe> Chairs editor comparision doc
16:19:08 <jjcscribe> continued, but Mike is doing something
16:19:11 <schreiber> Action Larrt: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0146.html
16:19:38 <jjcscribe> rewind, this action is done: Mike Dean is editor
16:19:57 <Zakim> +Lynn_Stein
16:20:03 <jjcscribe> Action DanC vote is done
16:20:35 <jjcscribe> Action Mike Dean comparison doc by next week
16:20:51 <jjcscribe> mike smith walkthru is done
16:20:55 <las> las has joined #webont
16:21:03 <las> zakim, who is here?
16:21:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeremy, Mike_Dean, Rudiger, TerHorst, Lassila, Pfps, TimF, Eshelman, Heflin, Jim_Hendler, Libby, Frank, John_Stanton, GuusS, IanHorrocks, Mcguinness, M_Smith,
16:21:05 <jjcscribe> (see later in agenda)
16:21:07 <Zakim> ... Buswell, Leo, Massimo, JosD, LynnT, Pat_Hayes, Lynn_Stein
16:21:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see las, JosD, Ian, Massimo, DeborahMc, ora, herman, schreiber, jjcscribe, FvH, pfps, libby_, mdean, Zakim, RRSAgent, jhendler, logger_1
16:21:17 <jjcscribe> tim finin action is done
16:21:25 <jjcscribe> ian horrocks action in progress
16:21:30 <jjcscribe> continue
16:22:17 <jjcscribe> discussion about grid curtailed by chair
16:22:38 <jjcscribe> issue 4.4 mike dean continued
16:23:01 <jjcscribe> heflin issues
16:23:20 <jjcscribe> 5.6 5.14
16:23:28 <jjcscribe> no one is clear what this action is meant to mean
16:23:36 <jjcscribe> Jeff has started the discussion.
16:23:54 <jjcscribe> SO we record this action as done.
16:24:10 <jjcscribe> Issue 5.1 frank continued
16:24:33 <jjcscribe> ian is not clear what he needs to do
16:25:29 <jjcscribe> continued but ian notes this is ongoing research
16:25:33 <jjcscribe> dan's action continued
16:25:40 <jjcscribe> 5.19
16:27:29 <jhendler> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0082.html
16:27:51 <jjcscribe> pat's variant is continued
16:27:58 <jjcscribe> jeremy is done or withdrawn
16:28:14 <jjcscribe> peter pointed to old discussion
16:28:59 <jjcscribe> 5.3 action item is done
16:29:33 <jjcscribe> 5.19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0125.html
16:29:50 <jjcscribe> 5.3 pfps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0136.html
16:30:09 <jjcscribe> 5.3 path http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Sep/0100.html
16:30:36 <jjcscribe> there was a phone call, but it is not clear whether agreement was reached.
16:31:38 <jjcscribe> there is still an itnegration problem
16:31:51 <jjcscribe> continue this action
16:32:08 <jjcscribe> great horned owl action withdrawn
16:32:09 <Zakim> -Buswell
16:32:17 <jhendler> zakim, close agendum
16:32:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:32:23 <jhendler> close agendum
16:32:24 <Massimo> Zakim, close this agendum
16:32:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:32:25 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:32:26 <Zakim> 2. Guide document [from jhendler]
16:32:36 <jhendler> zakim, close this agendum
16:32:38 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, jhendler
16:32:51 <jhendler> zakim, agendum 2
16:32:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum 2', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:33:04 <jhendler> zakim, next agendum
16:33:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Guide document" taken up [from jhendler]
16:33:48 <jjcscribe> Guide document has not progressed this week much.
16:34:02 <jjcscribe> Goal is to fill in most holes by next week
16:34:58 <jjcscribe> Mike would like some reviewers now.
16:35:06 <jjcscribe> But thorough review later on.
16:35:19 <jjcscribe> ACTION guus review guide
16:35:25 <jjcscribe> ACTION lynnt review guide
16:35:33 <jjcscribe> ACTION leo review guide
16:35:41 <jjcscribe> Frank likes it.
16:35:46 <jjcscribe> Jim likes it.
16:35:53 <jjcscribe> Mike is worried about detail.
16:36:48 <jhendler> zakim, close agendum
16:36:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:36:56 <jhendler> close agendum
16:36:59 <jhendler> next agendum
16:37:48 <Massimo> Zakim, what agendum is this?
16:37:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Guide document" has been taken up, Massimo
16:37:57 <Massimo> Zakim, close this agendum
16:37:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:37:59 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:38:00 <Zakim> 3. Test Document [from jhendler]
16:40:31 <jjcscribe> Chairs would like a test doc, and are asking Jeremy to edit.
16:41:01 <jjcscribe> Peter likes it
16:41:21 <jjcscribe> Jos thinks it is going in the right direction
16:41:33 <jjcscribe> Volunteers for coeditors?
16:42:33 <jjcscribe> Jos will co-edit.
16:43:38 <jhendler> agendum 4
16:43:43 <jjcscribe> Peter approves of inclduign tests automatically in doc
16:43:54 <jjcscribe> zakim, agendum 4
16:43:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum 4', jjcscribe.  Try /msg Zakim help
16:44:03 <Massimo> Zakim, close this agendum
16:44:04 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Massimo
16:44:21 <jjcscribe> 5a Issue 5.6
16:44:29 <Massimo> Zakim, what agendum is this?
16:44:30 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum has been taken up, Massimo
16:44:38 <Massimo> Zakim, agenda?
16:44:39 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
16:44:39 <Zakim> 3. Test Document [from jhendler]
16:44:40 <Zakim> 4. Proposed Resolutions [from jhendler]
16:44:41 <Zakim> 5. open issues [from jhendler]
16:44:42 <Zakim> 6. AOB [from jhendler]
16:44:43 <Zakim> 7.  [from jhendler]
16:44:44 <Zakim> 8.  [from jjcscribe]
16:45:10 <Massimo> Zakim, take up agendum 4
16:45:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Proposed Resolutions" taken up [from jhendler]
16:45:43 <jjcscribe> summary imports cannot be modified by owl, and the importing doc entails everything entailed by the imported doc
16:46:23 <jjcscribe> issue is whetehr we can do syntactic import rather than semantic import
16:46:32 <Zakim> +??P9
16:46:41 <jjcscribe> Peter suggested, jonathan and mike smith all looked at this
16:47:06 <jjcscribe> Jeff worries about importing large ontology
16:47:08 <jhendler> zakim, ??p9 is ziv
16:47:09 <Zakim> +Ziv; got it
16:47:54 <jjcscribe> Peter is very uncomfortable with any semantic account of imports
16:48:23 <jjcscribe> zakim, who is talking?
16:48:35 <Zakim> jjcscribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JosD (14%), Jeremy (20%), IanHorrocks (10%), Pat_Hayes (32%), Pfps (7%), Massimo (5%)
16:48:58 <jjcscribe> zakim, who is talking?
16:49:09 <Zakim> jjcscribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: IanHorrocks (8%), Pat_Hayes (36%), Pfps (44%)
16:49:15 <jjcscribe> zakim, who is talking?
16:49:35 <Zakim> jjcscribe, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: JosD (3%), Jeremy (58%), Pat_Hayes (22%), Massimo (6%)
16:51:42 <Massimo> q+
16:52:22 <jjcscribe> Jeff really doesn't like the xinclude version of syntactic import
16:52:48 <jjcscribe> it is not clear whether syntactic or semantic include is better
16:53:13 <jhendler> ack massimo
16:54:07 <jjcscribe> massimo notes that imports requires persistent uris that doesn't scale web wise
16:54:10 <jjcscribe> q+
16:55:37 <jjcscribe> (earlier pat talked about import cycles etc. also there was discussion about the need to give some acocunt of the GET)
16:56:45 <jjcscribe> jeremy mentions properties and types witth GETtable resources
16:57:42 <FvH> q+
16:57:55 <jjcscribe> ack
16:57:57 <jhendler> ack jjcscribe
16:58:31 <jjcscribe> massimo notes that entailment rules don't depend on property uris
16:59:18 <jjcscribe> frank notes that thisproblem will exist and if we don't say something someone else will have to address it
16:59:46 <FvH> disagree with the above
16:59:49 <FvH> I tried to say:
16:59:56 <jjcscribe> (thanks)
17:00:03 <FvH> massimo's comment will not >*provide*< a solution,
17:00:15 <FvH> it just moves the responsibility for solving it away from us
17:00:20 <FvH> (and into XML, or RDF)
17:02:03 <jjcscribe> Jim: what is the issue
17:02:37 <jjcscribe> Pat: issue is to do with taking the object of imports and doing something with it [including in the semantics]
17:03:26 <FvH> q+
17:03:56 <jjcscribe> Jim: we can 1: do semantics for imports, 2: delete it; 3: treat it informally
17:04:57 <jjcscribe> Jeff: (under 3) where would the english text go, in the semantics doc, in the guide
17:05:37 <jjcscribe> Pat: in the semantics doc
17:05:39 <mdean> q+
17:05:51 <JosD> 3: magic syntax?
17:05:53 <FvH> ack FvH
17:06:36 <jhendler> ack mdean
17:06:58 <jjcscribe> (mike smith?): we could treat this completely syntactically, and thatis not part of the semantics
17:08:22 <jjcscribe> It could be a syntactic transform at the graph level
17:08:44 <jjcscribe> There seem to be some problems at the document level
17:10:18 <jjcscribe> Jim: conversation on list needs to continue
17:11:07 <FvH> q+
17:11:19 <jhendler> ack fvh
17:11:45 <FvH> q+
17:12:14 <jjcscribe> ACTION pfps write up "syntactic" proposal for issue 5.6
17:12:56 <jjcscribe> FvH raises using a property from a non-imported foreign ontology
17:13:18 <jjcscribe> Mike Dean mentions instances cannot import anything
17:14:29 <jjcscribe> ACTION frank to e-mail group on using foreign properties to continue discussion on 5.6
17:14:44 <jjcscribe> next agendum issue 5.14 versioning
17:14:58 <jjcscribe> Jeff suggests adding priorVersion link
17:15:24 <jjcscribe> Jeff suggests adding backwardCompatibility tag
17:16:29 <jjcscribe> also deprecation tag
17:17:29 <jjcscribe> backwardCompatible could be a syntactic trick or a semantic thing
17:18:04 <jjcscribe> backwradCompatible adds sameClassAs triples (in some way)
17:20:22 <jjcscribe> path should we have time tags
17:20:33 <jjcscribe> jimh time is out of charter
17:21:37 <jjcscribe> resistance to it being a smenatic solution
17:22:08 <jjcscribe> ACTION jjc send e-mail on what is in an ontology
17:22:40 <jjcscribe> ACTION path send e-mail on opposition to deprecation
17:22:54 <jjcscribe> jim would like to move this issues towards closure
17:23:19 <jjcscribe> Agenda item 6a
17:23:26 <jjcscribe> Layering, Pat/Peter
17:25:59 <Zakim> -IanHorrocks
17:26:09 <FvH> I will have to go;
17:26:20 <jjcscribe> ACTION Pat Propsoe text to close issue 5.3
17:26:21 <FvH> household duties calling louder than work duties by now...
17:26:26 <Zakim> +??P5
17:26:27 <FvH> -FvH
17:26:43 <jjcscribe> 6b, 6c not discussed
17:26:55 <jjcscribe> ACTION Guus add 6b 6c on next week agenda
17:27:07 <Zakim> -Jeremy
17:27:14 <jjcscribe> Jeremy is still here
17:27:31 <Zakim> -Rudiger
17:27:32 <jjcscribe> Meeting adjourned
17:27:33 <jhendler> ADJOURNED
17:27:33 <Zakim> -M_Smith
17:27:33 <Zakim> -TerHorst
17:27:34 <Zakim> -Ziv
17:27:35 <Zakim> -LynnT
17:27:35 <Zakim> -John_Stanton
17:27:37 <Zakim> -Lynn_Stein
17:27:39 <Zakim> -Lassila
17:27:40 <Zakim> -Libby
17:27:41 <Zakim> -GuusS
17:27:43 <Zakim> -Leo
17:27:45 <Zakim> -TimF
17:27:45 <Zakim> -Pat_Hayes
17:27:48 <Zakim> -Pfps
17:27:51 <Zakim> -Frank
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17:27:53 <Zakim> -??P5
17:27:55 <Zakim> -Jim_Hendler
17:27:56 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
17:27:57 <pfps> pfps has left #webont
17:27:59 <Zakim> -Massimo
17:28:02 <Zakim> -Mcguinness
17:28:36 <jhendler> zakim, actions?
17:28:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jhendler.
17:28:42 <jhendler> zakim, actions
17:28:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'actions', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
17:28:51 <jhendler> zakim, list actions
17:28:52 <Zakim> I see WS_ArchWG(f2f)9:00AM, SW_WebOnt()12:00PM
17:29:02 <jhendler> zakim, what actions
17:29:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what actions', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
17:30:17 <jhendler> actions
17:30:23 <jhendler> list actions
17:30:33 <jhendler> zakim, what are the actions?
17:30:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jhendler.
17:30:56 <jhendler> zakim, the description of action is not in your document
17:30:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'the description of action is not in your document', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
17:31:34 <jhendler> actions
17:31:47 <jhendler> zakim, find the actions
17:31:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'find the actions', jhendler.  Try /msg Zakim help
17:32:01 <jhendler> ACTION: Complain to Ralph about the ACTION stuff in zakim
17:32:14 <jhendler> RRSAgent, actions
17:32:14 <jhendler> I'm logging. I don't understand 'actions', jhendler.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:32:24 <jhendler> RRSAgent, list actions
17:32:24 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items:
17:32:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy - update WG on networking for f2f [1]
17:32:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/12-webont-irc#T16-12-27
17:32:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Complain to Ralph about the ACTION stuff in zakim [2]
17:32:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/12-webont-irc#T17-32-01
17:32:59 <jhendler> ahh - zakim does agenda, but RRSAgent does actions
17:33:12 <jhendler> RRSAgent, pointer
17:33:12 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2002/09/12-webont-irc#T17-33-12
17:35:42 <Zakim> -Heflin
17:35:43 <Zakim> -JosD
17:35:57 <Zakim> -Eshelman
17:35:58 <Zakim> SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has ended